So Pope Gregory XV1 deems Dyce Sombre for all prosperity, a chivalrous man with an order of knighthood ! Ah well - Why make endeavour your creed when lucre is at hand to buy you fame and fortune. An age old story always offensive. Wishes Sally Oxford DNB Life of the Day for today, July 01, 2012. Free online for one week at: http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/lotw/2012-07-01 David Ochterlony Dyce Sombre (1808-1851), traveller and putative lunatic, was born in Sardhana, a semi-autonomous princely state near Meerut, India, on 18 December 1808, the eldest of the three surviving children of Colonel George Alexander Dyce (d. 1838), of mixed Scottish and Indian ancestry, and Julianne Reinhard (d. 1820), of mixed French and Indian ancestry. His maternal great-grandfather's second wife, Begum Sombre (d. 1836), raised him as a Roman Catholic and had him educated privately with the Revd John Chamberlain and then the Revd Henry Fisher. She eventually entrusted the management of Sardhana to him, appointed him a colonel in her army, and declared him her heir. She also ceded Badshahpur (an altumgha jagir or personal estate) to him, and gave him 3,600,000 rupees (£360,000) in East India Company bonds. He added Sombre to his name in 1835, indicating his acceptance of this inheritance, which was derived from her husband, Walter Reinhard or Reinhardt, alias Somru or Sombre (d. 1778), a German Catholic mercenary. In addition to composing poetry in Persian and Urdu, Dyce Sombre kept mistresses: Dominga (d. 1838), a Catholic who bore him three children, Walter George (1832-1833), Laura Celestine (1834-1835), and Penelope (1836-1838); and Hoosna, a Muslim who bore him Josephine Urbana (1834-1835). In 1835, on receipt of a donation of £15,000 from the begum, Pope Gregory XVI named him chevalier of the order of Christ. (snip) ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The HEIC website at www.honeastindiaco.com no longer gives HEIC information. It is supposedly still available through the Wayback Machine at http://archive.org/index.php but this does not seem to be so. The Wayback Machine refers to robots.txt and refers to: http://www.honeastindiaco.com/robots.txt This does not produce anything. Does anyone know if the HEIC family history information that used to be available can now be found anywhere? David Railton

Oxford DNB Life of the Day for today, July 01, 2012. Free online for one week at: http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/lotw/2012-07-01 David Ochterlony Dyce Sombre (1808-1851), traveller and putative lunatic, was born in Sardhana, a semi-autonomous princely state near Meerut, India, on 18 December 1808, the eldest of the three surviving children of Colonel George Alexander Dyce (d. 1838), of mixed Scottish and Indian ancestry, and Julianne Reinhard (d. 1820), of mixed French and Indian ancestry. His maternal great-grandfather's second wife, Begum Sombre (d. 1836), raised him as a Roman Catholic and had him educated privately with the Revd John Chamberlain and then the Revd Henry Fisher. She eventually entrusted the management of Sardhana to him, appointed him a colonel in her army, and declared him her heir. She also ceded Badshahpur (an altumgha jagir or personal estate) to him, and gave him 3,600,000 rupees (£360,000) in East India Company bonds. He added Sombre to his name in 1835, indicating his acceptance of this inheritance, which was derived from her husband, Walter Reinhard or Reinhardt, alias Somru or Sombre (d. 1778), a German Catholic mercenary. In addition to composing poetry in Persian and Urdu, Dyce Sombre kept mistresses: Dominga (d. 1838), a Catholic who bore him three children, Walter George (1832-1833), Laura Celestine (1834-1835), and Penelope (1836-1838); and Hoosna, a Muslim who bore him Josephine Urbana (1834-1835). In 1835, on receipt of a donation of £15,000 from the begum, Pope Gregory XVI named him chevalier of the order of Christ. (snip) ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Oxford DNB Life of the Day for today, 27 June 2012: free online for one week at http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/lotw/2012-06-27 Frank William Thomas Charles Christian Culpeper Lascelles (1875-1934), pageant master, was born in Sibford Gower, Oxfordshire, on 30 July 1875. Lascelles was famous for his work as a specialist producer, a 'pageant master'; between 1907 and 1932 he produced twenty-two pageants. Lascelles accepted an invitation to stage a pageant in Calcutta to mark the royal visit to India, and sailed for India in September 1911. Famous for its colossal scale and colourful spectacle, the pageant was held on the Maidan, Calcutta, on 5 January 1912. Originally planned as a succession of scenes from Indian history, the pageant instead took the form of two traditional processions, Muslim and Hindu, and was organized by Lascelles and the orientalist Denison Ross. It involved a cast of 300,000, with massed troops, horsemen in chain armour, a war dance, elephant processions, caparisoned horses, oxen-drawn carts, and palanquins. (SNIP) ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Hi, can anyone tell me how I go about obtaining BMD records from India? Is there an on-line application somewhere? My GGGrandfather died in 1896, I think in Trivandrum but not entirely sure of the actual place. Has anyone had success obtaining such records? Much appreciated in advance, Joan

24 June 2012 Maharajah's sword set to shine: Set with 719 diamonds and weighing 2,000 carats it was presented to Edward VII for his coronation A lavishly decorated sword and scabbard presented to Edward VII by an Indian Maharajah to mark his coronation will be one of the star attractions of an exhibition of royal diamonds. Set with 719 diamonds and weighing a total of 2,000 carats the ceremonial weapon was a gift in 1902 from Sawai Sir Madho Singh Bahadur, Maharajah of Jaipur. (SNIP) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2164048/Maharajahs-sword-set-shine-Set-719-diamonds-weighing-total-2-000-carats-presented-Edward-VII-coronation.html?ito=feeds-newsxml ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Apart from FIBIS, it's worth looking at www.familysearch.org as they have a pretty extensive set of online Indian records. However, by far the best source in my opinion is the British Library. They have a set of on line records at indiafamily.bl.uk/UI/. However, this is a very small subset of the records they have available. If you can get to the British Library, they have a card index system which contains a few more records than the on line index, but the main index can be found in manual ledgers for each year. It's painstaking to go through these but once you have a reference then you can look up the actual record on microfiche. Another good source there are the Directories such as Thackers. They were published each year and most have an index of male European inhabitants, and in some cases Indian inhabitants, with addresses and occupations, plus BMD data for that year. I read somewhere that the full set of BL indexes are being digitised and should be available later this year. I seem to remember that they'll be published on the FindMyPast web site. Good Luck! Roger On 26 Jun 2012, at 08:23, "Dave Cross" <crossdx@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Hi, can anyone tell me how I go about obtaining BMD records from India? Is there an on-line application somewhere? My GGGrandfather died in 1896, I think in Trivandrum but not entirely sure of the actual place. Has anyone had success obtaining such records? > > Much appreciated in advance, > > Joan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joan, If only it was so easy! The best guide to what is available is provided by FIBIS (Families in British India Society) and can be found at: http://www.wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Birth,_marriage_and_death_records It is also well worthwhile using the links from that page to find more about family history in British india. David -----Original Message----- From: india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave Cross Sent: 26 June 2012 08:23 To: INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ@rootsweb.com Subject: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] BMD Records Hi, can anyone tell me how I go about obtaining BMD records from India? Is there an on-line application somewhere? My GGGrandfather died in 1896, I think in Trivandrum but not entirely sure of the actual place. Has anyone had success obtaining such records? Much appreciated in advance, Joan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thought this article might be of interest to listers: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/indias-paper-trail-runs-for-centur ies/article4370156/ Best, Sharon

Sunday, June 24, 2012 Portrait of an era Cameras replaced paintbrushes and transformed the art of portraiture in India. Naturally, the princes were among the earliest patrons. Fortunately, many of these early portraits are either held privately or are with the descendants of former princely states. http://www.tribuneindia.com/2012/20120624/spectrum/main1.htm ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

KOLKATA, June 22, 2012 A piano with a history The authorities at Victoria Memorial Hall unveiled a nearly 200-year-old piano that was used by Queen Victoria herself, on the occasion of World Music Day on Thursday. The piano, along with the writing desk and chair used by her for her daily correspondence at Windsor Castle, were presented to Victoria Memorial by her son King Edward VII. These personal effects occupied the centre of the Royal Gallery. (snip) http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/article3556673.ece ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Please check these Videos Part 1 to Part 9 When you finish Part 1, Click on Part 2 and so forth to Part 9. Each video part takes 12 to 15 minutes. It takes just over 2 hours to view Part 1 to Part 9. Please do not let your emotions get the better of you. http://www.youtube..com/watch?v=ZjyM3xJKnQo&feature=related . __._,_.___ __,_._,___

20th June is an important date for Roman Catholics in south India. It was on this day in 1599, the "Synod of Diamper" reunited a church in India with Rome. Discovered in 1498 by Portuguese explorers, the isolated pocket of worshippers traced their Christian origins back to the missionary efforts of the Apostle Thomas. See: http://www.canada.com/news/This+History/6771611/story.html Further information on this event can be found here = http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/161517/Synod-of-Diamper <<< Synod of Diamper, council that formally united the ancient Christian Church of the Malabar Coast (modern Kerala), India, with the Roman Catholic church; it was convoked in 1599 by Aleixo de Meneses, archbishop of Goa. The synod renounced Nestorianism, the heresy that believed in two Persons rather than two natures in Christ, as the Indians were suspected of being heretics by the Portuguese missionaries. The Syrian Chaldean patriarch was then removed from jurisdiction in India and replaced by a Portuguese bishop; the Syrian liturgy of Addai and Mari was "purified from error"; and Latin vestments, rituals, and customs were introduced to replace the ancient Syrian traditions. This forced Latinization and disregard for local tradition elicited a violent reaction from the Christians of St. Thomas, as the Indians called themselves. In 1653 most of them broke with Rome; and only when a Syrian bishop, John Sebastiani, was installed in 1661 did three-fourths of the schismatics return. The church, however, has remained Latinized. Those who stayed dissidents formed the Syrian Orthodox (Jacobite) Church. >>> ------------------ Two other significant events noted on that page from Canada.com are : In 1756, a group of British soldiers in India were captured and imprisoned in a suffocating cell that became known as the "Black Hole of Calcutta." Most of the men died. In 1837, Queen Victoria ascended to the British throne following the death of her uncle, King William IV. During her 64-year reign, the British Empire reached the height of its power. ------------------------- Latest research, as you know, has cast a doubt on the truth of the "Black Hole of Calcutta" occurence. ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Hi Nasar I totally agree with you about Jardine - clearly, a thinking man, and not a mutton-head. In fact, Wg. Cmdr. Murkot Ramunni, from 6 Sqn, who flew Hurricanes in Burma, and who'd played for Ranji, said the same thing, and he'd played with Jardine. Ramunni died a few months ago. And now, with these one-day 'internationals,' I wonder what's left of the game at all... Cheers Mukund On 18 June 2012 20:23, Nasar Azam <nasarazam@gmail.com> wrote: > Kerry: > > Both Chappel and Jardine was playing within the rules. Yes, I am applying > different rules. I do not approve of what Chappel did, but Jardine move was > brilliant ! > > Nasar > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 7:06 AM, Kerry Edwards <ozmulki@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Interesting that he was born in India...that's one cricketer who spoilt > > the spirit of the game...much like Mr GS Chappell and his underarm > disgrace. > > > > Kerry > > > > . > > > > > > > > On 18 June 2012 16:10, Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar <bosham@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > >> Oxford DNB = Life of the Day for today 18 June 2012: > >> > >> Douglas Robert Jardine, [in]famous Bodyline cricketer, > >> was born on 23 October 1900 in Malabar Hill, Bombay, > >> the only son of Malcolm Robert Jardine (1869-1947) and > >> his wife, Alison, daughter of Dr Robert Moir, physician. > >> > >> Free online for one week - > >> http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/lotw/2012-06-18 > >> > >> > >> ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > -- > Nasar > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Interesting that he was born in India...that's one cricketer who spoilt the spirit of the game...much like Mr GS Chappell and his underarm disgrace. Kerry . On 18 June 2012 16:10, Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar <bosham@gmail.com>wrote: > Oxford DNB = Life of the Day for today 18 June 2012: > > Douglas Robert Jardine, [in]famous Bodyline cricketer, > was born on 23 October 1900 in Malabar Hill, Bombay, > the only son of Malcolm Robert Jardine (1869-1947) and > his wife, Alison, daughter of Dr Robert Moir, physician. > > Free online for one week - > http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/lotw/2012-06-18 > > > ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My goodness - I was captivated from start to finish. What an enigma! What a thriller ! Many thanks Harshoo. Good wishes Sally Free online for one week - http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/lotw/2012-06-18 ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar e

Oxford DNB = Life of the Day for today 18 June 2012: Douglas Robert Jardine, [in]famous Bodyline cricketer, was born on 23 October 1900 in Malabar Hill, Bombay, the only son of Malcolm Robert Jardine (1869-1947) and his wife, Alison, daughter of Dr Robert Moir, physician. Free online for one week - http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/lotw/2012-06-18 ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Kerry: Both Chappel and Jardine was playing within the rules. Yes, I am applying different rules. I do not approve of what Chappel did, but Jardine move was brilliant ! Nasar On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 7:06 AM, Kerry Edwards <ozmulki@gmail.com> wrote: > Interesting that he was born in India...that's one cricketer who spoilt > the spirit of the game...much like Mr GS Chappell and his underarm disgrace. > > Kerry > > . > > > > On 18 June 2012 16:10, Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar <bosham@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Oxford DNB = Life of the Day for today 18 June 2012: >> >> Douglas Robert Jardine, [in]famous Bodyline cricketer, >> was born on 23 October 1900 in Malabar Hill, Bombay, >> the only son of Malcolm Robert Jardine (1869-1947) and >> his wife, Alison, daughter of Dr Robert Moir, physician. >> >> Free online for one week - >> http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/lotw/2012-06-18 >> >> >> ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > -- Nasar

Sunday, June 17, 2012 British legacy in stone True to their colonial mindset, the British raised several tombs and monuments in erstwhile Punjab, Kashmir, North-West Frontier Province and Afghanistan, commemorating those who sacrificed their lives for the British empire. http://www.tribuneindia.com/2012/20120617/spectrum/main3.htm ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Also, can anyone tell me anything about Samuel William Popham Palmer's son, John Palmer, supposedly born Calcutta about 1774 and also John's wife who I have seen named as Sarah Mary. David Railton From: David Railton [mailto:railton.david@btinternet.com] Sent: 16 June 2012 20:18 To: INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ (INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ@rootsweb.com) Subject: Samuel William Popham PALMER Information can be found on the web about William Popham Palmer, born Calcutta 1800, and his service in HEIC. His grandfather, Samuel William Popham Palmer, b1748, was also supposedly in HEIC service. Can anyone tell me anything about Samuel's time with the Company? David Railton