Harsh, thank you for all your service over the years.  John, NZSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Harshawardhan Nimkhedkar <bosham@gmail.com> Date: 1/03/20 10:44 PM (GMT+12:00) To: India British Raj Rootsweb <india-british-raj@rootsweb.com> Subject: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Last call. We are moving. Finally! Second and last call. We are moving. Finally!Good afternoon, dear IBR listers.Time to announce the good news. We have decided to move to another forum:groups.io. With less than 12 hours remaining for the end of Rootsweb'se-mailing function (beginning 2nd March), it's time we made this move. Allof you who are on the roll here will receive an invitation in your inbox.All you have to do is to click on the acceptance link that will be providethere, and you will be in. Thereafter you can look around the web page,open an account, and adjust the settings to your convenience. In case ofany doubt or difficulty, you can contact me off-list or consult the host'sHelp desk (link given on the web page).Those who have read this but who don't get the invite, can apply directlyby visiting the web page at:https://groups.io/g/india-british-rajThere could also be some who are listed as our members but who no longerreceive our mails because they have changed their email ids but notbothered to update their data with us -- invitations sent to them at theirold ids would bounce and come back un-served. There is nothing I can do inthese cases -- but if you can also spread the word around via Facebook,WhatsApp, personal mails, etc., the message might reach them. Our mentor John Feltham had mooted shifting to yet another list-serve butfor the time being at least, I feel it safer to move to groups.io beforethe Rootsweb doors are closed on us. His choice may be considered later.I have no idea what has happened to India List (managed by Ian Poyntz).There is no word from him as yet. Most of us are also members of the IndiaList. Would you kindly inform the other members of that list about our newaddress? If they wish, they too can join us.Mind you, I have rented this new home just recently. It is yet to bepopulated and furbished and made comfortable. That will be done in thecoming weeks. Take a good look around; the group site offers a lot offacilities -- such as chat, calendar, database, uploading of photos andfiles, etc. You can avail of these services. You can opt to receive allemails in your in-box, or a summary of the postings as one more dailydigests, or post and read by going to the web page  without getting anymails. The choice is yours.I also propose to have a couple of co-moderators who can look after the newgroup with me or without me.So, make haste and join the new set up, ASAP.You can reply to this message either off-list to me or to the whole list --at Rootsweb, until 2nd March.Thanks and regards. Have a good day!-- Harshawardhan Nimkhedkar, List Admin______________________________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/india-british-raj@rootsweb.comPrivacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blogRootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Harsh Unable to log into the new group. Could you please include me thanks Karl Pushong On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 12:18 AM Harshawardhan Nimkhedkar <bosham@gmail.com> wrote: > Good afternoon, dear IBR listers. > > Time to announce the good news. We have decided to move to another forum: > groups.io. With less than 48 hours remaining for the end of Rootsweb's > e-mailing function (beginning 2nd March), it's time we made this move. All > of you who are on the roll here will receive an invitation in your inbox. > All you have to do is to click on the acceptance link that will be provide > there, and you will be in. Thereafter you can look around the web page, > open an account, and adjust the settings to your convenience. In case of > any doubt or difficulty, you can contact me off-list or consult the host's > Help desk (link given on the web page). > > Those who have read this but who don't get the invite, can apply directly > by visiting the web page at: > > https://groups.io/g/india-british-raj > > There could also be some who are listed as our members but who no longer > receive our mails because they have changed their email ids but not > bothered to update their data with us -- invitations sent to them at their > old ids would bounce and come back un-served. There is nothing I can do in > these cases -- but if you can also spread the word around via Facebook, > WhatsApp, personal mails, etc., the message might reach them. > > Our mentor John Feltham had mooted shifting to yet another list-serve but > for the time being at least, I feel it safer to move to groups.io before > the Rootsweb doors are closed on us. His choice may be considered later. > > I have no idea what has happened to India List (managed by Ian Poyntz). > There is no word from him as yet. Most of us are also members of the India > List. Would you kindly inform the other members of that list about our new > address? If they wish, they too can join us. > > Mind you, I have rented this new home just recently. It is yet to be > populated and furbished and made comfortable. That will be done in the > coming weeks. Take a good look around; the group site offers a lot of > facilities -- such as chat, calendar, database, uploading of photos and > files, etc. You can avail of these services. You can opt to receive all > emails in your in-box, or a summary of the postings as one more daily > digests, or post and read by going to the web page without getting any > mails. The choice is yours. > > I also propose to have a couple of co-moderators who can look after the new > group with me or without me. > > So, make haste and join the new set up, ASAP. > > I'll re-post this message once again tomorrow. > > You can reply to this message either off-list to me or to the whole list -- > at Rootsweb, until 2nd March. > > Thanks and regards. Have a good day! > > -- Harshawardhan Nimkhedkar, List Admin > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/india-british-raj@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Second and last call. We are moving. Finally! Good afternoon, dear IBR listers. Time to announce the good news. We have decided to move to another forum: groups.io. With less than 12 hours remaining for the end of Rootsweb's e-mailing function (beginning 2nd March), it's time we made this move. All of you who are on the roll here will receive an invitation in your inbox. All you have to do is to click on the acceptance link that will be provide there, and you will be in. Thereafter you can look around the web page, open an account, and adjust the settings to your convenience. In case of any doubt or difficulty, you can contact me off-list or consult the host's Help desk (link given on the web page). Those who have read this but who don't get the invite, can apply directly by visiting the web page at: https://groups.io/g/india-british-raj There could also be some who are listed as our members but who no longer receive our mails because they have changed their email ids but not bothered to update their data with us -- invitations sent to them at their old ids would bounce and come back un-served. There is nothing I can do in these cases -- but if you can also spread the word around via Facebook, WhatsApp, personal mails, etc., the message might reach them. Our mentor John Feltham had mooted shifting to yet another list-serve but for the time being at least, I feel it safer to move to groups.io before the Rootsweb doors are closed on us. His choice may be considered later. I have no idea what has happened to India List (managed by Ian Poyntz). There is no word from him as yet. Most of us are also members of the India List. Would you kindly inform the other members of that list about our new address? If they wish, they too can join us. Mind you, I have rented this new home just recently. It is yet to be populated and furbished and made comfortable. That will be done in the coming weeks. Take a good look around; the group site offers a lot of facilities -- such as chat, calendar, database, uploading of photos and files, etc. You can avail of these services. You can opt to receive all emails in your in-box, or a summary of the postings as one more daily digests, or post and read by going to the web page without getting any mails. The choice is yours. I also propose to have a couple of co-moderators who can look after the new group with me or without me. So, make haste and join the new set up, ASAP. You can reply to this message either off-list to me or to the whole list -- at Rootsweb, until 2nd March. Thanks and regards. Have a good day! -- Harshawardhan Nimkhedkar, List Admin _______________________________________________

Dear Mukund, Please try again. I'll re-invite you. The only minus point that I have so far discovered with the free plan that I've opted for at groups.io is one cannot add any name directly to the members' field. To do that (and to get more space as well), we will have to pay them monthly or yearly charges. So, for the time being at least, you will have to exert yourself to fine your way in. Keep trying. How can we leave you behind? -- H On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 at 08:30, mukund murty wrote: > Hi Harsha > > I'm unable to log in - please include me (and don't you dare leave me > out!). > > Love and God Bless > > Mukund > >

Sanjay, you are in in the new group. From what I gather from RW's message, archives of these two lists (IBR and India) remain intact and will be on permanent display for anyone who wants to search/read -- but you cannot add to them after 2nd March, as the email functionality of the lists (along with all other RW lists) will be discontinued from tomorrow. I will inform the address where the archives can be found in another mail. --- H On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 at 09:13, S Sircar wrote: > I have pressed "join", assume that there are no members-only facilities - > ? - and hope I remain on the list. > > What happens to the archives of this list and Ian Poyntz's, please, both > of which have invaluable information beyond genealogy on them? > > I thought IP's list was for genealogy (in effect white and A-I). and this > one for culture, but genealogy turns up on this one too: thus, is there any > point in having them separate? > > Sanjay Sircar >

Hello. Many thanks for the invitation. Yes please do include me. I'm in io because Cheshire f.h.society has just recently migrated over too. Regards. Carol Turnham On Sat, 29 Feb 2020, 13:23 india-british-raj@groups.io Moderators, < india-british-raj+invite+3262142700590422527+2712256@groups.io> wrote: > Hello, > > You have been invited by Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar to join the > Groups.io group india-british-raj@groups.io > <https://groups.io/g/india-british-raj>. > > If you have questions about this invitation, send them to *india-british-raj+owner@groups.io > <india-british-raj%2Bowner@groups.io>*. > > To accept the invitation, please reply to this email, or you may accept > the invitation > <https://groups.io/g/india-british-raj/invite/3262142700590422527/2712256> > on the website. > > If you are not interested, or if candpt33@gmail.com is not your email > address, please ignore this email. > > Cheers, > The Groups.io Team >

I have pressed "join", assume that there are no members-only facilities - ? - and hope I remain on the list.  What happens to the archives of this list and Ian Poyntz's, please, both of which have invaluable information beyond genealogy on them?  I thought IP's list was for genealogy (in effect white and A-I). and this one for culture, but genealogy turns up on this one too: thus, is there any point in having them separate?  Sanjay Sircar On Sunday, 1 March 2020, 12:18:56 am AEDT, Harshawardhan Nimkhedkar <bosham@gmail.com> wrote: Good afternoon, dear IBR listers. Time to announce the good news. We have decided to move to another forum: groups.io. With less than 48 hours remaining for the end of Rootsweb's e-mailing function (beginning 2nd March), it's time we made this move. All of you who are on the roll here will receive an invitation in your inbox. All you have to do is to click on the acceptance link that will be provide there, and you will be in. Thereafter you can look around the web page, open an account, and adjust the settings to your convenience. In case of any doubt or difficulty, you can contact me off-list or consult the host's Help desk (link given on the web page). Those who have read this but who don't get the invite, can apply directly by visiting the web page at: https://groups.io/g/india-british-raj There could also be some who are listed as our members but who no longer receive our mails because they have changed their email ids but not bothered to update their data with us -- invitations sent to them at their old ids would bounce and come back un-served. There is nothing I can do in these cases -- but if you can also spread the word around via Facebook, WhatsApp, personal mails, etc., the message might reach them. Our mentor John Feltham had mooted shifting to yet another list-serve but for the time being at least, I feel it safer to move to groups.io before the Rootsweb doors are closed on us. His choice may be considered later. I have no idea what has happened to India List (managed by Ian Poyntz). There is no word from him as yet. Most of us are also members of the India List. Would you kindly inform the other members of that list about our new address? If they wish, they too can join us. Mind you, I have rented this new home just recently. It is yet to be populated and furbished and made comfortable. That will be done in the coming weeks. Take a good look around; the group site offers a lot of facilities -- such as chat, calendar, database, uploading of photos and files, etc. You can avail of these services. You can opt to receive all emails in your in-box, or a summary of the postings as one more daily digests, or post and read by going to the web page  without getting any mails. The choice is yours. I also propose to have a couple of co-moderators who can look after the new group with me or without me. So, make haste and join the new set up, ASAP. I'll re-post this message once again tomorrow. You can reply to this message either off-list to me or to the whole list -- at Rootsweb, until 2nd March. Thanks and regards. Have a good day! -- Harshawardhan Nimkhedkar, List Admin _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/india-british-raj@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Harsha I'm unable to log in - please include me (and don't you dare leave me out!). Love and God Bless Mukund On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 18:48, Harshawardhan Nimkhedkar <bosham@gmail.com> wrote: > Good afternoon, dear IBR listers. > > Time to announce the good news. We have decided to move to another forum: > groups.io. With less than 48 hours remaining for the end of Rootsweb's > e-mailing function (beginning 2nd March), it's time we made this move. All > of you who are on the roll here will receive an invitation in your inbox. > All you have to do is to click on the acceptance link that will be provide > there, and you will be in. Thereafter you can look around the web page, > open an account, and adjust the settings to your convenience. In case of > any doubt or difficulty, you can contact me off-list or consult the host's > Help desk (link given on the web page). > > Those who have read this but who don't get the invite, can apply directly > by visiting the web page at: > > https://groups.io/g/india-british-raj > > There could also be some who are listed as our members but who no longer > receive our mails because they have changed their email ids but not > bothered to update their data with us -- invitations sent to them at their > old ids would bounce and come back un-served. There is nothing I can do in > these cases -- but if you can also spread the word around via Facebook, > WhatsApp, personal mails, etc., the message might reach them. > > Our mentor John Feltham had mooted shifting to yet another list-serve but > for the time being at least, I feel it safer to move to groups.io before > the Rootsweb doors are closed on us. His choice may be considered later. > > I have no idea what has happened to India List (managed by Ian Poyntz). > There is no word from him as yet. Most of us are also members of the India > List. Would you kindly inform the other members of that list about our new > address? If they wish, they too can join us. > > Mind you, I have rented this new home just recently. It is yet to be > populated and furbished and made comfortable. That will be done in the > coming weeks. Take a good look around; the group site offers a lot of > facilities -- such as chat, calendar, database, uploading of photos and > files, etc. You can avail of these services. You can opt to receive all > emails in your in-box, or a summary of the postings as one more daily > digests, or post and read by going to the web page without getting any > mails. The choice is yours. > > I also propose to have a couple of co-moderators who can look after the new > group with me or without me. > > So, make haste and join the new set up, ASAP. > > I'll re-post this message once again tomorrow. > > You can reply to this message either off-list to me or to the whole list -- > at Rootsweb, until 2nd March. > > Thanks and regards. Have a good day! > > -- Harshawardhan Nimkhedkar, List Admin > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/india-british-raj@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Many thanks. Will join! On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 13:18, Harshawardhan Nimkhedkar <bosham@gmail.com> wrote: > Good afternoon, dear IBR listers. > > Time to announce the good news. We have decided to move to another forum: > groups.io. With less than 48 hours remaining for the end of Rootsweb's > e-mailing function (beginning 2nd March), it's time we made this move. All > of you who are on the roll here will receive an invitation in your inbox. > All you have to do is to click on the acceptance link that will be provide > there, and you will be in. Thereafter you can look around the web page, > open an account, and adjust the settings to your convenience. In case of > any doubt or difficulty, you can contact me off-list or consult the host's > Help desk (link given on the web page). > > Those who have read this but who don't get the invite, can apply directly > by visiting the web page at: > > https://groups.io/g/india-british-raj > > There could also be some who are listed as our members but who no longer > receive our mails because they have changed their email ids but not > bothered to update their data with us -- invitations sent to them at their > old ids would bounce and come back un-served. There is nothing I can do in > these cases -- but if you can also spread the word around via Facebook, > WhatsApp, personal mails, etc., the message might reach them. > > Our mentor John Feltham had mooted shifting to yet another list-serve but > for the time being at least, I feel it safer to move to groups.io before > the Rootsweb doors are closed on us. His choice may be considered later. > > I have no idea what has happened to India List (managed by Ian Poyntz). > There is no word from him as yet. Most of us are also members of the India > List. Would you kindly inform the other members of that list about our new > address? If they wish, they too can join us. > > Mind you, I have rented this new home just recently. It is yet to be > populated and furbished and made comfortable. That will be done in the > coming weeks. Take a good look around; the group site offers a lot of > facilities -- such as chat, calendar, database, uploading of photos and > files, etc. You can avail of these services. You can opt to receive all > emails in your in-box, or a summary of the postings as one more daily > digests, or post and read by going to the web page without getting any > mails. The choice is yours. > > I also propose to have a couple of co-moderators who can look after the new > group with me or without me. > > So, make haste and join the new set up, ASAP. > > I'll re-post this message once again tomorrow. > > You can reply to this message either off-list to me or to the whole list -- > at Rootsweb, until 2nd March. > > Thanks and regards. Have a good day! > > -- Harshawardhan Nimkhedkar, List Admin > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/india-british-raj@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Good afternoon, dear IBR listers. Time to announce the good news. We have decided to move to another forum: groups.io. With less than 48 hours remaining for the end of Rootsweb's e-mailing function (beginning 2nd March), it's time we made this move. All of you who are on the roll here will receive an invitation in your inbox. All you have to do is to click on the acceptance link that will be provide there, and you will be in. Thereafter you can look around the web page, open an account, and adjust the settings to your convenience. In case of any doubt or difficulty, you can contact me off-list or consult the host's Help desk (link given on the web page). Those who have read this but who don't get the invite, can apply directly by visiting the web page at: https://groups.io/g/india-british-raj There could also be some who are listed as our members but who no longer receive our mails because they have changed their email ids but not bothered to update their data with us -- invitations sent to them at their old ids would bounce and come back un-served. There is nothing I can do in these cases -- but if you can also spread the word around via Facebook, WhatsApp, personal mails, etc., the message might reach them. Our mentor John Feltham had mooted shifting to yet another list-serve but for the time being at least, I feel it safer to move to groups.io before the Rootsweb doors are closed on us. His choice may be considered later. I have no idea what has happened to India List (managed by Ian Poyntz). There is no word from him as yet. Most of us are also members of the India List. Would you kindly inform the other members of that list about our new address? If they wish, they too can join us. Mind you, I have rented this new home just recently. It is yet to be populated and furbished and made comfortable. That will be done in the coming weeks. Take a good look around; the group site offers a lot of facilities -- such as chat, calendar, database, uploading of photos and files, etc. You can avail of these services. You can opt to receive all emails in your in-box, or a summary of the postings as one more daily digests, or post and read by going to the web page without getting any mails. The choice is yours. I also propose to have a couple of co-moderators who can look after the new group with me or without me. So, make haste and join the new set up, ASAP. I'll re-post this message once again tomorrow. You can reply to this message either off-list to me or to the whole list -- at Rootsweb, until 2nd March. Thanks and regards. Have a good day! -- Harshawardhan Nimkhedkar, List Admin

Thank you. I was researching the Herbert and Louie DeMello family. I was friends with their children, Geoffrey and Betty. Gather they are now settled in Weston-Super-Mare. We all once lived in Jodhpur. Rajasthan. The brother of Herbert, was Melville DeMello, the broadcaster from AIR. Geoffrey Williams Sheffield UK On 15/02/2020 06:29, "Daphne" <brinds@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > >To the Lister who is researching the surname DE MELLO. > >In the January 1980 Archives I came across 4 De Mello surnames > under Bengal 1842 - 1856 Baptisms. > brinds > >_______________________________________________ > >_______________________________________________ >Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >Unsubscribe >https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/india-british-raj@rootsweb.com >Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >community >

To the Lister who is researching the surname DE MELLO. In the January 1980 Archives I came across 4 De Mello surnames    under Bengal 1842 -  1856 Baptisms.    brinds

Good morning Listers, Can someone please tell me if there have been any emails to or from the India Mailing List since 17th January  ? Many  thanks, Daphne

Hello Elizabeth, That is what I had found before, but then thought it was an assumption on my part so I took it out of my family tree, as at the beginning of my research I was told to never assume something. Thank you for verifying for me. Shirley

Hi , Mary was Mary Walter married at St Giles in the Fields 1841 .   The banns March 21 and 28 and Apl 4 , show he is described as bachelor and she as widow , and then both words are crossed  out and of this parish substituted .   but she is Walter .    the second marriage is at Hackney to Emma Wilkinson Stephens .  in 1854 .  Hope this helps .  On Thursday, 23 January 2020, 18:06:25 GMT, Shirley Barbur <sbarbur123@gmail.com> wrote: Hello Eleanor, Yes, Robert Vipan married Emma  Wafter his first wife died, and I have found 10 children he had wth her. ( I have not been able to verify the name of his first wife. I have traced a Mary who married a Robert Vipan in 1841, that one is a possibility of being the correct person, with their first child was born in 1844.)    I think it was a little early for the “Fishing Fleet” era, though I could be wrong there, and no doubt hundreds of women were sailing to India to find husbands prior to the Fishing Fleet.  That is why I think,  like you mentioned, that the marriage was pre arranged in England.  Julia went to India with her brother Walter Muriel Vipan,  the marriage register in 1870 shows that her father was deceased., and who,as you noted  had passed away in 1868.  Julia and Harry (H.E.)Abbott  had six children.  of which three died in the first year of life.  Of the others, Edwin, Ernest, and Edith,  Ernest (no middle name), was my grandfather. Both he and Edwin were employed as managers of plantations for years, but as Indigo was being phased out as a cash crop,  the estates were switching more and more to growing seasonal crops. Walter Muriel Vipan was 10 years younger than Julia.  Born in 1857, he would have been 13 years old when he traveled to India in1870.    He worked / lived for a short time with Harry, then he was on a tea estate in Darjeeling where he died at 63 years old.  Sometime during those years Walter married Maria Harvey Humble and they had two children. Charles Vipan,  I will investigate,  I don’t know what his connection is to the rest of the family, maybe a brother of Robert? Thank you for your interest, Shirley _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/india-british-raj@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

That was a good video, thank you. Shirley

Hello Nick, An interesting email from you. I see that Alexander Nowell entered the EIC in 1784 and left in 1792 to become an indigo manufacturer. That is 8 years. Thus, it is a good possibility that Harry Abbott did the same thing. If so, where could I look to find evidence of him being in the EIC? You have a good History of Parliament for Alexander, but Harry did not go that direction. Any suggestions please? Shirley

Hello Shirley, Don't discount the possibility that your man may have gone to India as a soldier, and then became a planter. In the 18th Century I had several Nowell's from Read and nearby in my family tree, and quite a close cousin of one of my 5 x great grandmothers was a Miss Nowell. These individuals all come from a common family tree that coalesces by about 1650, as you go backwards. Like your ancestor Tirhut and Indigo also features in a rapid turn around in Alexander's fortunes. His parents had had a very comfortable existence, but were bust or very nearly so by the 1780's. Alexander Nowell (1761 – 1842.) seems to have a very good instinct for spotting and courting recently widowed wives of Nabobs, and in time he made enough money to be able to return from India with a very comfortable competency. Alexander Nowell was the third son of Ralph Nowell (d. 1781) of Eccleston, Lancs. and Coverhead, Yorks. and Sarah, daughter of Thomas Whitaker of Holme, Lancs. He entered the East India Company’s army shortly after his father’s death. He was listed as a Cadet in the Calcutta Gazette on Thursday 29th April 1784.[1] <#_edn1> He was promoted to the rank of Ensign on the 1st of January, 1785, but with seniority dated from March 18 1785.[2] <#_edn2> However he failed to rise above the rank of ensign and resigned in October 1792 to become an indigo manufacturer at Tirhut. Three months later he married Maria Theresa, the widow of the Company’s former chief engineer Henry Watson. Although unprovided for in Watson’s will, Maria Theresa had secured the right to administer his valuable dockyard property in Calcutta and benefited also by the wills of her brothers Thomas (d. 1803), an officer in the East India Company’s service, and Peter (d. 1811), a London attorney. Alexander Nowell added his signature to a very long list of other residents to an Address of Congratulations from the British Inhabitants of this Settlement addressed to “His Excellency the Most Noble Richard Marquis Wellesley, K.P. Governor General and Captain General” dated Wednesday, February 29, 1804.[5] <#_edn5> Nowell returned to England with a fortune in 1805, bought a house in Wimpole Street and contested Liskeard unsuccessfully with another East India Company candidate, Joseph Childs, at the general election of 1806. He liaised with the 1st earl of Lonsdale and Sir James Graham* during the long campaign to clear the name of the Madras civil servant Robert Sherson, who in 1816 named his son Alexander Nowell Sherson in gratitude. He supported the Lowther interest, the Yellows, in Westmorland, where in February 1808 he paid £10,560 for the Underley estate, then worth £170 a year.5 He added to it neighbouring Lowfields, Deansbiggin, Mansergh Hall and Belle View and built a Gothic mansion and racing stables, financed from his inheritance under the will of Maria Theresa (on which limited probate under £12,000 was granted on 24 May 1824) and £10,000 settled on his kinswoman Charlotte Farington of Shawe Hall, Lancashire on their marriage in April 1825.6 His hopes of coming in that month for Carlisle, where Graham’s death had produced a vacancy, were dashed by Lonsdale’s preference for Sir Philip Musgrave. [6] <#_edn6> It would have been more difficult for your ancestor to have made the change over at the later date, but it was by no means impossible. Regards Nick Balmer ------------------------------ [1] <#_ednref1> Calcutta Gazette - Thursday 29 April 1784 [2] <#_ednref2> Calcutta Gazette - Thursday 27 January 1785 [3] <#_ednref3> Calcutta Gazette - Thursday 08 November 1792 [4] <#_ednref4> Calcutta Gazette - Thursday 16 July 1795 [5] <#_ednref5> Calcutta Gazette - Friday 02 March 1804 [6] <#_ednref6> https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1820-1832/member/nowell-alexander-1761-1842 On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM ELIZABETH HOWARD via INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ < india-british-raj@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi, I can`t be sure but it seems to me that the Vipans of Mepal were > fairly short lived and after Julia Ellen`s mother died leaving Robert a 32 > year old widower with four small children , that he remarried fairly > quickly to Emma in 1854 in London and sadly he died in 1868 . As we now > know , the need for European /British brides in India was sufficient to > fill whole ships !!! and I don`t know what connection but a Charles Vipan > , late of Dehra , NW Province , Assistant Commissioner of Forests , died > 16th Dec 1868 at Goruckpore , will proved by the oath of his widow Eleanor > Vipan of Brunswick Lodge , Annerley Road, Annerley , Surrey . . Maybe > the marriage had already been arranged here in the UK ???? > On Thursday, 23 January 2020, 04:55:14 GMT, Shirley Barbur < > sbarbur123@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello List, > > My GG Grandfather was Harry Edwin Abbott born in Bromley, England. His > father was Edwin Morton Abbott., > He was sent to India from London at about age 15 in approximately 1861. > In 1870, Harry married Julie Ellen Vipan, born 1848 in England. They were > married at St John’s Church in Calcutta. On the marriage certificate, > Harry’s occupation is listed as Indigo Planter, living in Tirhoot. I > have a feeling that > Julia was sent to India to marry Harry, both their fathers being brewers. > > A suggestion was made that Harry went out in the army, but from what I > have read, army personnel had to get permission to marry and he would have > been > rather young to have left the army and be set up on an Indigo plantation. > Were boys sent out from England to become apprentices on Indigo > plantations? > Is there any place where I can find an early of Indigo plantations in > India and what responsibilities would15 year olds have? > > Harry, known as H.E. Abbott became fairly well known as far as I can tell. > He is mentioned several times in the book “History of Behar Indigo > Factories: > Reminiscenses of Behar; Tirhoot and its Inhabitants of the Past; History > of Behar Light Horse Volunteers”. > > Harry later became the publisher of The Indian Planter’s Gazette, a well > written weekly newspaper published in Calcutta. He was the author of books > on > horse racing, poultry and several other subjects. He died in Janitor in > 1915 at age 68. > > I have read that indigo was a good money making cash crop for several > years, but would like to know more about the folks who worked in those > plantations. > > Thank you, > Shirley Barbur > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/india-british-raj@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/india-british-raj@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Hello Eleanor, Yes, Robert Vipan married Emma Wafter his first wife died, and I have found 10 children he had wth her. ( I have not been able to verify the name of his first wife. I have traced a Mary who married a Robert Vipan in 1841, that one is a possibility of being the correct person, with their first child was born in 1844.) I think it was a little early for the “Fishing Fleet” era, though I could be wrong there, and no doubt hundreds of women were sailing to India to find husbands prior to the Fishing Fleet. That is why I think, like you mentioned, that the marriage was pre arranged in England. Julia went to India with her brother Walter Muriel Vipan, the marriage register in 1870 shows that her father was deceased., and who,as you noted had passed away in 1868. Julia and Harry (H.E.)Abbott had six children. of which three died in the first year of life. Of the others, Edwin, Ernest, and Edith, Ernest (no middle name), was my grandfather. Both he and Edwin were employed as managers of plantations for years, but as Indigo was being phased out as a cash crop, the estates were switching more and more to growing seasonal crops. Walter Muriel Vipan was 10 years younger than Julia. Born in 1857, he would have been 13 years old when he traveled to India in1870. He worked / lived for a short time with Harry, then he was on a tea estate in Darjeeling where he died at 63 years old. Sometime during those years Walter married Maria Harvey Humble and they had two children. Charles Vipan, I will investigate, I don’t know what his connection is to the rest of the family, maybe a brother of Robert? Thank you for your interest, Shirley

Hi,   I can`t be sure but it seems to me that the Vipans of Mepal were fairly short lived and after Julia Ellen`s mother died leaving Robert a 32 year old widower with four small children , that he remarried fairly quickly to Emma in 1854 in London and sadly he died in 1868 .    As we now know , the need for European /British brides in India was sufficient to fill whole ships  !!!  and I don`t know what connection but a Charles Vipan , late of Dehra , NW Province ,  Assistant Commissioner of Forests , died 16th Dec 1868 at Goruckpore , will proved by the oath of his widow Eleanor Vipan of Brunswick Lodge , Annerley Road, Annerley , Surrey . .    Maybe the marriage had already been arranged here in the UK ???? On Thursday, 23 January 2020, 04:55:14 GMT, Shirley Barbur <sbarbur123@gmail.com> wrote: Hello List, My GG Grandfather was Harry Edwin Abbott born in Bromley, England.  His father was Edwin Morton Abbott., He was sent to India from London at about age 15 in approximately 1861.  In 1870, Harry married Julie Ellen Vipan, born 1848 in England. They were married at St John’s Church in Calcutta.  On the marriage certificate,  Harry’s  occupation is listed as Indigo Planter,  living in Tirhoot.  I have a feeling that Julia was sent to India to marry Harry, both their fathers being brewers.  A suggestion was made that Harry went out in the army,  but from what I have read, army personnel had to get permission to marry and he would have been rather young to have left the army and be set up on an Indigo plantation.  Were boys sent out from England to become apprentices on Indigo plantations?    Is there any place where I can find an early of Indigo plantations in India and what responsibilities would15 year olds have?  Harry, known as H.E. Abbott became fairly well known as far as I can tell. He is mentioned several times in the book “History of Behar Indigo Factories: Reminiscenses of Behar; Tirhoot and its Inhabitants of the Past; History of Behar Light Horse Volunteers”. Harry later became the publisher of The Indian Planter’s Gazette, a well written weekly newspaper published in Calcutta. He was the author of books on horse racing, poultry and several other subjects.  He died in Janitor in 1915 at age 68. I have read that indigo was a good money making cash crop for several years,  but would like to know more about the folks who worked in those plantations. Thank you, Shirley Barbur _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/india-british-raj@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community