Hi Leonie and Allan - many thanks for the information received so far - Alexander  Charles Cramb was my father-in-law - we never got round to family research at that time - and had no idea that Ernest left the States and died in S.Africa -   where another brother Percival had emigrated.     Thank you again - and any other information would be gratefully received- is'nt this list great !!    Kind regards Thelma.