Lorraine, No, James Nowlan did not die at Gandamak. He was taken prisoner and taken to Cabul, where he was released on 21st September 1842. He is mentioned in the "Historical Record of the 44th", by Thomas Carter, page 132 in the second edition (1887) and page 158 in the first edition (1864). The first edition is on Google Books. The same information is in the Asiatic Journal (just Google "Nowlan, 44th"). You could contact the Essex Regiment Museum to see whether they have any further details on him - they have various indexes. I have the details of how to contact the Museum - please contact me off-List if I can help in that way.

There are a number on discussions on the web similar to the one raised in "India or Pakistan?" The majority view (my qualitative judgement) seems to be that "What was, was; what is, is" and that you should give the information as it applied at the time unless there is a specific instruction along the lines of "...please use the place name, country name etc. as it is officially known today." The main reason for reaching that conclusion being that if asked for substantiating information (such as a birth certificate or other proof of birth) it would support the information you had provided. Thus if you were born in Karachi before Pakistan existed your country of birth should be given as "India" and not "Pakistan." If you were born in Madras before 1996 your place of birth should be given as "Madras"" and not "Chennai." If you were born in Dahomey before 30th November 1975 your country of birth should be given as "Dahomey" and not "Benin." If officialdom wants to convert your information to comply with some new "rules" then let them.

Very well put Noel !! Very clear!. Let the guys at the desk "translate" the information submitted!! John On 12 June 2015 at 15:33, Noel Clark via <india@rootsweb.com> wrote: > There are a number on discussions on the web similar to the one raised in > "India or Pakistan?" > > The majority view (my qualitative judgement) seems to be that "What was, > was; what is, is" and that you should give the information as it applied at > the time unless there is a specific instruction along the lines of > "...please use the place name, country name etc. as it is officially known > today." The main reason for reaching that conclusion being that if asked > for > substantiating information (such as a birth certificate or other proof of > birth) it would support the information you had provided. > > Thus if you were born in Karachi before Pakistan existed your country of > birth should be given as "India" and not "Pakistan." > If you were born in Madras before 1996 your place of birth should be given > as "Madras"" and not "Chennai." > If you were born in Dahomey before 30th November 1975 your country of birth > should be given as "Dahomey" and not "Benin." > > If officialdom wants to convert your information to comply with some new > "rules" then let them. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- John John A.Thomas Dr. John A.Thomas,MD,FRCPath, FAMS

Shirley I am sure I have asked you before but I don't suppose your Terry Martin books mention Drivers? Great grandfather was Harry Cox, c 1891 - 94 - Terry did help me many years ago - a lovely man Thanks Cathy Devon Searching for Picton's Davies/Clarks/ Gilroy / Cox !

Hello List Regarding my previous emails from January 2014 regarding the Maritime Memorials website, an associated National Maritime Museum website http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/india/2014-01/1388885968 http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/INDIA/2014-01/1388887096 There are eight burials at Karachi mentioned. Rowley Ward LEEDS John Wellington YOUNG James Henley RAINEY Thomas Daley FLEMING John Hamilton MERCER Henry William BARNET Captain William. S. PROCTOR Henry BARROW The entry on the Maritime Memorials website gives the reference 'Notes and Queries' vol. 176 (1936) for these burials. Should anyone wish to see the original source of these burials, I have come across an archive for the issues of 'Notes and Queries' and it appears the reference should either be Vol 170 or 171 1936 or Vol 176 1939 http://nq.oxfordjournals.org/content/by/year Cheers Maureen

*Hi listers* * would anyone know if a list or memorial with names exist for the fallen at Gandamak. I am assuming there is a source for the numbers shown below, taken from British battles.com <http://battles.com>. Does anyone know of a contempory account. I am particularly interested in a soldier of the 44th James Nowlan. He was not discharged to pension so I am trying to establish if he was among the dead at Gandamak or at anytime on this campaign. * * 'The final stand took place at Gandamak on the morning of 13th January 1842 in the snow. 20 officers and 45 European soldiers, mostly of the 44th Foot, found themselves surrounded on a hillock. ' 'Casualties: * The entire force of 690 British soldiers, 2,840 Indian soldiers and 12,000 followers were killed or in a few cases taken prisoner. The 44th Foot lost 22 officers and 645 soldiers, mostly killed. Afghan casualties, largely Ghilzai tribesmen, are unknown. *Many thanks in advance* *Lorraine* *Sherwood Forest*

My grandfather was born in Moulmein India 1832 when the British were "in control". It was the anglicised name of the place. It is now known by its local name of Mawlamyaing, Myanmar (Burma). Fred .. -----Original Message----- From: india-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charles Dique via Sent: Wednesday, 10 June 2015 3:11 AM To: Moira; india@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INDIA] India or Pakistan? My father was born in Lahore, India in 1922. His Pakistan passport recorded his place of birth as Lahore, India. When he emigrated to the United States, his American passport also recorded his place of birth as Lahore, India. Sent from my iPad in Honolulu, Hawaii > On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Moira via <india@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > >> On Jun 7, 2015, at 9:16 AM, John A.Thomas via <india@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> I too have a similar problem with my place of birth,State but not >> country I suppose it would be wise to go " along with the tide." Both >> are correct, > My brother Bevis F. Breen was born in Quetta, British India, (now Pakistan). For most of his adult life he has lived in England. Once in the 1990's he visited me in America. At the Heathrow terminal in London, on seeing his British passport, he was interviewed (interrogated?) by two Americans who did not identify themselves. He explained that when he was born in Quetta in 1925 Quetta was in British India. They said "Not any more!" I think Quetta now has the distinction of being the headquarters of the Taliban! > Moira Breen > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My father was born in Lahore, India in 1922. His Pakistan passport recorded his place of birth as Lahore, India. When he emigrated to the United States, his American passport also recorded his place of birth as Lahore, India. Sent from my iPad in Honolulu, Hawaii > On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Moira via <india@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > >> On Jun 7, 2015, at 9:16 AM, John A.Thomas via <india@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> I too have a similar problem with my place of birth,State but not country I >> suppose it would be wise to go " along with the tide." Both are correct, > My brother Bevis F. Breen was born in Quetta, British India, (now Pakistan). For most of his adult life he has lived in England. Once in the 1990's he visited me in America. At the Heathrow terminal in London, on seeing his British passport, he was interviewed (interrogated?) by two Americans who did not identify themselves. He explained that when he was born in Quetta in 1925 Quetta was in British India. They said "Not any more!" I think Quetta now has the distinction of being the headquarters of the Taliban! > Moira Breen > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Jun 7, 2015, at 9:16 AM, John A.Thomas via <india@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I too have a similar problem with my place of birth,State but not country I > suppose it would be wise to go " along with the tide." Both are correct, > My brother Bevis F. Breen was born in Quetta, British India, (now Pakistan). For most of his adult life he has lived in England. Once in the 1990's he visited me in America. At the Heathrow terminal in London, on seeing his British passport, he was interviewed (interrogated?) by two Americans who did not identify themselves. He explained that when he was born in Quetta in 1925 Quetta was in British India. They said "Not any more!" I think Quetta now has the distinction of being the headquarters of the Taliban! Moira Breen

Sad news about the decline of the Dargeeling Hill Railway. My Great Grandfather Francis Manuel Harcourt was Station Master at Siliguri in1879. Thankfully I have all three books published by the late Terry Martin, "Halfway To Heaven", and "The Iron Sherpa" - Volumes one and two. Is there anyone out there who could enlighten me about Francis Harcourt's details. I think he hailed from Prince of Wales Island, and was the son of Charles Frederick Harcourt, Editor of Penang Gazette, and Maria Henrietta. Shirley West (nee Jones)

Sorry to learn of the threat to DHR, Cathy. My grandfather Sgt. James Benham was there with the British Army around 1890 and was given the task of training the Indian workers on the railway in weaponry in order to protect themselves if they were ever attacked. Patrick

I too have a similar problem with my place of birth,State but not country I suppose it would be wise to go " along with the tide." Both are correct, On 7 June 2015 at 12:57, James Sinclair via <india@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > When my mother's cousin died last year in the UK and her death was being > registered, her daughter put down the place of her mother's birth as > "Karachi, India," (she was born there in 1920). However, the clerk behind > the desk insisted that this be changed to Pakistan. Of course, Pakistan > didn't exist as a country in 1920, yet the clerk was insistent. What does > one do in a case like this? > > James Sinclair > jimsin12@aol.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- John John A.Thomas Dr. John A.Thomas,MD,FRCPath, FAMS

Hi Looks like the DHR is in trouble, my great grandfather Harry Cox was a Train Driver. This was on BBC website The Himalayan tea train that's running out of steam http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32995131 Cathy Devon

When my mother's cousin died last year in the UK and her death was being registered, her daughter put down the place of her mother's birth as "Karachi, India," (she was born there in 1920). However, the clerk behind the desk insisted that this be changed to Pakistan. Of course, Pakistan didn't exist as a country in 1920, yet the clerk was insistent. What does one do in a case like this? James Sinclair jimsin12@aol.com

Hello List Regarding my original advice on 4 June 2015, the subcategories into which I advised the records were divided was incomplete, as I now realise I only copied the records at the top of the listing. On my browser, only some of the subcategories are displayed. if you scroll down the listing you will see there are more baptismal records and also burial and marriage records Kerry, in response to your query below, I have not attempted to download anything, But I feel that the download is very likely to be for one page , not the whole file. There is a citation tag at the bottom of each page, and the citation is for that particular page. I feel the download would similarly be for one page. Cheers Maureen On 06/06/2015, at 2:07 PM, Kerry Edwards <ozmulki@gmail.com> wrote: > Useful information - thanks Maureen. > > I noticed a download option on the page - does anyone know if this is for the whole item or just the page? > > Kind Regards > > Kerry > > On 4 June 2015 at 20:40, Maureen Evers via <india@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello List > There is an item on the FIBIS Facebook page that there is a set of images which has been added to FamilySearch , part of the India collection, called India, Madras Diocese Protestant Church Records, 1743-1990. > > > > > > > > >

Hello Listers, Looking through the above Church Records on line, I have come across a burial in 1857 of an ancestor Daniel Thorpe. I had this record already but on this image it gives a little more info than the record I had..it gives the age in years, months & days but in the column "Quality, Trade or Profession it shows "Son of John Thorpe Pensioned Apothecary but the words "and Paulina his wife" are crossed out. Could this mean that perhaps Paulina his wife was deceased as I've never been able to find the death of Paulina or John Thorpe? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Joan --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Thank you very much Maureen for posting this. Much appreciated. Best regards Melanie

Joan Refer to Maureen's message via India List vol 10 issue 89 for details Mary Anne On 6/06/2015 3:06 PM, Joan Birtles wrote: > Hi Mary Anne, > > Are these images free please or is it only showing the film numbers for you > to order from the LDS? > Joan > > I have had a look at these as several of my families were in Madras. I > have been able to locate 2 deaths and 2 marriages so far. > I have been looking for a marriage which took place in Madras in 1872. > Looked at the film for Marriages 1872-Jul 1877. This is a real hotch > potch and what I did find was that some of the marriages dated back to > 1828. Some occurring at the Mission Chapel, native congregation > registers in the Emmanuel Church. The Madras Trinity Chapel also has > entries for the English congregation and native congregation - here > again the dates do not tally with the 1872-1877 time frame. > The films are in sort of alphabetical by year order - well more or less. > Mary Anne > > On 5/06/2015 1:31 PM, india-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> Recently added images on FamilySeach. Madras Protestant >> Baptisms etc ( > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Yes it is only one page at a time. I have searched through many over the years. Best advice  note down the set you are going to search. When you access you will see at the top how many pages, with 2 arrows right and left, one arrow is for the next page or previous and the other takes you to the last or back to the beginning.  I work my way backwards, saving what I want.  It's tiring so when you have had enough, best note the page number you stopped at. Then when you go back, just type the number in the box takes you back to where you left off.   Or if you don't want to save to PC you can print them great readable prints, you can even zoom in and then print. Much better facility printing than FMP. Cheryl. Sent from Samsung Mobile <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Maureen Evers via <india@rootsweb.com> </div><div>Date:06/06/2015 14:40 (GMT+00:00) </div><div>To: "india@rootsweb.com" <INDIA@rootsweb.com>, Kerry Edwards <ozmulki@gmail.com> </div><div>Subject: Re: [INDIA] Recently added images on FamilySeach. Madras Protestant Baptisms etc </div><div> </div> Kerry, in response to your query below, I But I feel that the download is very likely to be for one page , not the whole file.

Hi Mary Anne, Are these images free please or is it only showing the film numbers for you to order from the LDS? Joan I have had a look at these as several of my families were in Madras. I have been able to locate 2 deaths and 2 marriages so far. I have been looking for a marriage which took place in Madras in 1872. Looked at the film for Marriages 1872-Jul 1877. This is a real hotch potch and what I did find was that some of the marriages dated back to 1828. Some occurring at the Mission Chapel, native congregation registers in the Emmanuel Church. The Madras Trinity Chapel also has entries for the English congregation and native congregation - here again the dates do not tally with the 1872-1877 time frame. The films are in sort of alphabetical by year order - well more or less. Mary Anne On 5/06/2015 1:31 PM, india-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Recently added images on FamilySeach. Madras Protestant > Baptisms etc ( --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus