Has anybody had any luck obtaining certificates from St Mary's Cathedral in Rangoon. Who do you write to and how do you make payment. Thank you for any help. Angela (Monteen) Etwaroo

Hello Thank you for the information Re William Morrison. I am slowly putting together his history in India and certainly your input has helped Gerald -----Original Message----- From: india-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maureen Evers via Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2015 4:03 PM To: india@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INDIA] WIlliam MORRISON Hello List Noel and Gerald, my understanding is that in 1848 only Artillery troops would have been stationed at Dum Dum, so I think he almost certainly would have been Horse Artillery. As there weren't generally Royal Artillery units in India until the Indian Mutiny, I think it very likely that he was part of the Bengal Army, and you should be able to trace him further as a member of the Bengal Army, either at the British Library or using FamilySearch microfilm. For details, see the FIBIS Fibiwiki page Bengal Army, section Records http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php/Bengal_Army#Records Cheers Maureen On 23/07/2015, at 12:38 PM, Noel Clark via <india@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Gerald, > > A Farrier Sergeant would have been attached either to a cavalry > regiment or a horse artillery unit, which narrows the search a little. > Daughter Isabella was actually born in 1846 according to the records - > 26th February 1846 - and baptized on 11th September 1848 at Dum Dum. A > second daughter was baptized on the same day - Jean, born 1st August 1848. > > As far as I can see, William and Elizabeth were married (India Office > Family > Search) in Allypore 1832, and had other children: Charles (1833), and > William(1835) when he was described as a "Rough Rider" with the Horse > Artillery. > > If you have further information it might be possible to narrow down > the search further. > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Hello List Noel and Gerald, my understanding is that in 1848 only Artillery troops would have been stationed at Dum Dum, so I think he almost certainly would have been Horse Artillery. As there weren't generally Royal Artillery units in India until the Indian Mutiny, I think it very likely that he was part of the Bengal Army, and you should be able to trace him further as a member of the Bengal Army, either at the British Library or using FamilySearch microfilm. For details, see the FIBIS Fibiwiki page Bengal Army, section Records http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php/Bengal_Army#Records Cheers Maureen On 23/07/2015, at 12:38 PM, Noel Clark via <india@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Gerald, > > A Farrier Sergeant would have been attached either to a cavalry regiment or > a horse artillery unit, which narrows the search a little. > Daughter Isabella was actually born in 1846 according to the records - 26th > February 1846 - and baptized on 11th September 1848 at Dum Dum. A second > daughter was baptized on the same day - Jean, born 1st August 1848. > > As far as I can see, William and Elizabeth were married (India Office Family > Search) in Allypore 1832, and had other children: Charles (1833), and > William(1835) when he was described as a "Rough Rider" with the Horse > Artillery. > > If you have further information it might be possible to narrow down the > search further. > >

Hi Maureen, Thanks for replying. When he married in 1911, John Topper was employed as a railway guard. The certificate suggests they were married in the "Office of the Marriage Registration, Bombay", if I'm reading the handwriting correctly! I don't see any mention of a church on that paperwork. http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_detail.php?id=234112 The White/Swartzes wedding took place between 1906 and 1911 (I don't know where I got that 1930 date from), in Poona: http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_detail.php?id=233016 - this appears to be an index transcript rather than scans of the original certificate, so I don't know the specific church or George's occupation at this point. Polly and George were both witnesses at the 1911 wedding of John and Eva. Levi Foorman could well be German / Eastern European / Jewish. I'll expand my search in that direction. Jon On 19 July 2015 at 23:19, Maureen Evers <maureen.evers@bigpond.com> wrote: > Hello List > > Jon, what was John Topper's occupation when he married in 1911 and what > church was he married in? > What do you know about the marriage of George White, and Polly Swartzes? > . What church were they married in, and what was the occupation of George > White? This data may give you an indication of what type of church records > you need to be looking for. > > Also you advise the White wedding was in 1930, but they were both > witnesses at the 1911 wedding. Is that correct? > > Perhaps there is some connection from the time John Topper was in South > Africa, but could the name Levi Foorman be German/Eastern European/Jewish? > > Cheers > Maureen > > > > > On 19/07/2015, at 7:32 PM, Jon Topper via <india@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Hello India list members, > > > > My family and I are currently trying to trace our family history. My > great > > grandfather, John Topper served with the East Lancs regiment first in > South > > Africa, and then in India from April 1902 until August 1906, after which > he > > was transferred to the Army Reserves in Poona. > > > > In Bombay, February 1911, he was married to one Eva Foorman, my great > > grandmother, daughter of Levi Foorman. My grandfather Harry John Topper > > was born in 1917, and we believe Eva Foorman to have died in 1919. John > > later remarried, in 1924, to Annie Joseph. > > > > We know nothing further about Eva Foorman or Annie Joseph. Searches on > > FIBIS, FindMyPast and Ancestry have turned up nothing. Our assumption is > > that there are other data source relating to India that have not been > > digitised, or that relate to non-British interests and therefore may be > > available on other international genealogy sites. Where else should we > be > > searching from here? > > > > The only other potentially relevant information is that the > Topper/Foorman > > wedding was witnessed by George White and Polly White (ne Swartzes), > whose > > own wedding (1930, Poona) I was able to find documented. Both "Foorman" > > and "Swartzes" sound to me possibly Dutch or Afrikaans. Does that sound > > plausible? > > > > Thanks in advance for any help you can offer! > > > > > > Jon Topper > > London, England > > > >

Noel Many thanks for the information. I have very little information about the Morrison heritage so this had added a great deal to what I know I will admit I seem to struggle navigating my way around the various wesites so your assistance has been invaluable Gerald -----Original Message----- From: india-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Noel Clark via Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2015 10:39 AM To: INDIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [INDIA] WIlliam MORRISON Gerald, A Farrier Sergeant would have been attached either to a cavalry regiment or a horse artillery unit, which narrows the search a little. Daughter Isabella was actually born in 1846 according to the records - 26th February 1846 - and baptized on 11th September 1848 at Dum Dum. A second daughter was baptized on the same day - Jean, born 1st August 1848. As far as I can see, William and Elizabeth were married (India Office Family Search) in Allypore 1832, and had other children: Charles (1833), and William(1835) when he was described as a "Rough Rider" with the Horse Artillery. If you have further information it might be possible to narrow down the search further. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Gerald, A Farrier Sergeant would have been attached either to a cavalry regiment or a horse artillery unit, which narrows the search a little. Daughter Isabella was actually born in 1846 according to the records - 26th February 1846 - and baptized on 11th September 1848 at Dum Dum. A second daughter was baptized on the same day - Jean, born 1st August 1848. As far as I can see, William and Elizabeth were married (India Office Family Search) in Allypore 1832, and had other children: Charles (1833), and William(1835) when he was described as a "Rough Rider" with the Horse Artillery. If you have further information it might be possible to narrow down the search further.

I have at last ascertained the place where my maternal grandfather, Sydney O'Hara Dawes is buried which is the Lower Circular Road Cemetery, Calcutta. Thanks to Beverly of FIBIS, she was able to inform me that the appropriate Pottah No is 5445/64 0.5.1935 and that he was interred on 2.6.1966. This information was confirmed by the Christian Burial Board. My quest was to now try and get a copy of the death Certificate for Sydney. I have emailed the the Registrar General, India, in Delhi. Unfortunately, no reply. Naturally, I also requested information from the CBB..no reply,not even address of where I might get a Death Certificate for Sydney. Previously, I'd given information to 'rootsweb' suggesting that Sydney had died about 1945/6. How far out can one get? I'm now requesting help to acquire a Death Certificate for Sydney, born Madras 1878, died 1966, Calcutta. Appreciatively, Desmond Mardle.

Good Morning Desmond, You might find that you can get more response if you use the subject line. Of your seven posts th the list , four had no subject. Many of our subscribers will discard such messages unread because of the fear that they might be SPAM or contain malicious content. I suggest that you use the subject line to list the family surnames relevant to your posting. Good hunting Ian List Admin On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:37 AM, desmond mardle via <india@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I have at last ascertained the place where my maternal grandfather, Sydney > O'Hara Dawes is buried which is the Lower Circular Road Cemetery, Calcutta. > Thanks to Beverly of FIBIS, she was able to inform me that the appropriate > Pottah No is 5445/64 0.5.1935 and that he was interred on 2.6.1966. This > information was confirmed by the Christian Burial Board. > My quest was to now try and get a copy of the death Certificate for > Sydney. I have emailed the the Registrar General, India, in Delhi. > Unfortunately, no reply. Naturally, I also requested information from the > CBB..no reply,not even address of where I might get a Death Certificate for > Sydney. > Previously, I'd given information to 'rootsweb' suggesting that Sydney had > died about 1945/6. How far out can one get? > I'm now requesting help to acquire a Death Certificate for Sydney, born > Madras 1878, died 1966, Calcutta. Appreciatively, Desmond Mardle. > >

If you do have people who resided in India towards the end of the 19th century and the early part of the 20th who you subsequently cannot find, then it is indeed worth searching to see whether they moved to East Africa. Records from that part of the world are pretty thin on the ground. However, some Births and Deaths are available on www.ancestry.co.uk <http://www.ancestry.co.uk> in their database entitled 'All UK, Foreign and Overseas Registers of British Subjects, 1627-1969.' This database contains BMDs from all over the world as follows: - General Register Office: Miscellaneous Foreign Returns. Registrar General (RG) 32. - General Register Office: Foreign Registers and Returns. Registrar General (RG) 33. - General Register Office: Miscellaneous Foreign Marriage Returns. Registrar General (RG) 34. - General Register Office: Miscellaneous Foreign Death Returns. Registrar General (RG) 35. - General Register Office: Registers and Returns of Births, Marriages and Deaths in the Protectorates etc. of Africa and Asia. Registrar General (RG) 36. Another web-site specific to East Africa is http://www.eamemorials.co.uk/index.html East African Cemeteries and Memorials.

Hello List Noel, thanks for pointing out the African databases. There seems to have been quite a bit of movement between India and Africa Cheers Maureen On 21/07/2015, at 9:55 AM, Noel Clark via <india@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Also, just in passing, I found some family in the two Zimbabwe (formerly > Southern Rhodesia) databases on Family Search, and I don't think those are > available anywhere else. I found that two families of interest to me moved > at the end of the 19th century from India via the Straits Settlements to > Africa, so these discoveries were a real bonus. > > > >

I have been informed by the Munro family that a long time subscriber to the India and Raj lists has passed away. George Donald Munro, aged 92 years passed on July 17, 2015. George is survived by his wife Joyce, a son George Jr, two daughters, Joy and Jennifer, five grandchildren and five great grandchildren. A Memorial Service will be held on Saturday, August 1, 2015 at 11 am in: Sint Petrus en Paulus Church Dornzele, Gent, Belgium On behalf of all subscribers to the India list I offer our condolences to his family. He will be missed. Those wishing to send personal condolences can do so to : George Munro Jr Twaalf Roeden 10, 9042 Gent, Belgium Phone +32 9 25 30 790 Email munrozoo@skynet.be http://users.skynet.be/munrozoo/ Ian Poyntz List Admin

I would like to know if anyone is researching the family history of William Morrison who married an Elizabeth Johnson (age 15). He had a daughter Isabella born 1848. William was born 1805 in Aberdeen, Scotland In India he was a Bombadier rising to Assistant Farrier Sgt (??? this is a grey area) stationed at Fort William, Calcutta. I do not know the regiment I understand that the Morrison Family grave was still in garrison cemetery where it was identified in 1940. I am not aware if the cemetery still exists I would also like to know if it is possible to find out what service medals my father would have been awarded for his service during WW11 - with the Indian Army and then the RIN Gerald Herd --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

I apologise to anyone for whom the link https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1584960 to the Family Search "India Births and Baptisms" database did not work. It does for me, and I really don't know why it doesn't for others. But here is another way of getting to that database. When using Family Search I invariably start from https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list which I have saved in my LDS sub-folder in my Bookmarks folder (I use Google Chrome; Favourites if you're using Explorer). I do this because I'm somewhat old-fashioned and I like to know a) what is available and b) just what database I'm looking at. Once on that page you select the area of the world of interest to you from the list on the left-hand side of your screen - in this case "Asia & Middle East" - and then on the next screen you can see the 10 databases available - in the particular case of interest in this post "India Births and Baptisms." Incidentally, if you scroll down you will see the "legacy" database the International Genealogical Index, and this is listed whichever geographical area of the world you select. So for those of you still looking for a quick link to the old IGI, well, there it is. I also have this saved in my Bookmarks LDS sub-folder. The Family Search India databases are not quite identical to those on FindMyPast, but I find the FMP site so irritating to use that I always start with Family Search. Also, just in passing, I found some family in the two Zimbabwe (formerly Southern Rhodesia) databases on Family Search, and I don't think those are available anywhere else. I found that two families of interest to me moved at the end of the 19th century from India via the Straits Settlements to Africa, so these discoveries were a real bonus.

The link works for me - takes you straight to the India Births and Baptisms search screen. Sylvia On 20 July 2015 at 19:31, pat benham via <india@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Noel > That link won't work. Is it to the new LDS site or the old one? There is > now a new site and most people don't like it. > Pat Benham > From: Noel Clark via <india@rootsweb.com> > To: INDIA-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, 20 July 2015, 0:23 > Subject: [INDIA] DUCKWORTH > > David, > > Suggest you go to the LDS Family Search site and specifically their "India > Births and Baptisms database" at > https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1584960. Then type in "James" > and > "Duckworth" in forename and surname fields and you will see a few more > children in addition to those two you name. > > The LDS has a much better search engine than FMP, because it will search on > the name of the father. > > Armed with this additional information you may be able to find more from > the > Marriages and Deaths databases - I have not looked there yet. > > Hope this helps a little. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

These may be a help to someone - I have no knowledge of the people mentioned. Mary Anne Gourley Times Monday March 11 1861 pg 1 Deaths Supposed to be lost in the Cleveland, which foundered at sea in the spring of last year, on his way home in that ship from India on sick leave after three years service there, Lieutenant Keane, 74th Highlanders aged 29 eldest son of Daniel Keane Esq., of 58 Russell square, London. ........... On the 8th Feb, at Bombay, Lilian Mary Anne, only child of John Lewin Sheppard Esq., Adjt. Marine Battalion, aged 3 years. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Thanks for that, Noel. I keep forgetting about Family Search and only usually look on FindMyPast, FIBIS and India Office. I now see that there are other children. David Railton -----Original Message----- From: Noel Clark [mailto:nhclark@ozemail.com.au] Sent: 20 July 2015 00:23 To: INDIA-L@rootsweb.com Cc: railton.david@btinternet.com Subject: DUCKWORTH David, Suggest you go to the LDS Family Search site and specifically their "India Births and Baptisms database" at https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1584960. Then type in "James" and "Duckworth" in forename and surname fields and you will see a few more children in addition to those two you name. The LDS has a much better search engine than FMP, because it will search on the name of the father. Armed with this additional information you may be able to find more from the Marriages and Deaths databases - I have not looked there yet. Hope this helps a little.

Noel That link won't work. Is it to the new LDS site or the old one? There is now a new site and most people don't like it. Pat Benham From: Noel Clark via <india@rootsweb.com> To: INDIA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 20 July 2015, 0:23 Subject: [INDIA] DUCKWORTH David, Suggest you go to the LDS Family Search site and specifically their "India Births and Baptisms database" at https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1584960. Then type in "James" and "Duckworth" in forename and surname fields and you will see a few more children in addition to those two you name. The LDS has a much better search engine than FMP, because it will search on the name of the father. Armed with this additional information you may be able to find more from the Marriages and Deaths databases - I have not looked there yet. Hope this helps a little. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David, Suggest you go to the LDS Family Search site and specifically their "India Births and Baptisms database" at https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1584960. Then type in "James" and "Duckworth" in forename and surname fields and you will see a few more children in addition to those two you name. The LDS has a much better search engine than FMP, because it will search on the name of the father. Armed with this additional information you may be able to find more from the Marriages and Deaths databases - I have not looked there yet. Hope this helps a little.

Hello List Jon, what was John Topper's occupation when he married in 1911 and what church was he married in? What do you know about the marriage of George White, and Polly Swartzes? . What church were they married in, and what was the occupation of George White? This data may give you an indication of what type of church records you need to be looking for. Also you advise the White wedding was in 1930, but they were both witnesses at the 1911 wedding. Is that correct? Perhaps there is some connection from the time John Topper was in South Africa, but could the name Levi Foorman be German/Eastern European/Jewish? Cheers Maureen On 19/07/2015, at 7:32 PM, Jon Topper via <india@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello India list members, > > My family and I are currently trying to trace our family history. My great > grandfather, John Topper served with the East Lancs regiment first in South > Africa, and then in India from April 1902 until August 1906, after which he > was transferred to the Army Reserves in Poona. > > In Bombay, February 1911, he was married to one Eva Foorman, my great > grandmother, daughter of Levi Foorman. My grandfather Harry John Topper > was born in 1917, and we believe Eva Foorman to have died in 1919. John > later remarried, in 1924, to Annie Joseph. > > We know nothing further about Eva Foorman or Annie Joseph. Searches on > FIBIS, FindMyPast and Ancestry have turned up nothing. Our assumption is > that there are other data source relating to India that have not been > digitised, or that relate to non-British interests and therefore may be > available on other international genealogy sites. Where else should we be > searching from here? > > The only other potentially relevant information is that the Topper/Foorman > wedding was witnessed by George White and Polly White (ne Swartzes), whose > own wedding (1930, Poona) I was able to find documented. Both "Foorman" > and "Swartzes" sound to me possibly Dutch or Afrikaans. Does that sound > plausible? > > Thanks in advance for any help you can offer! > > > Jon Topper > London, England >

Hello India list members, My family and I are currently trying to trace our family history. My great grandfather, John Topper served with the East Lancs regiment first in South Africa, and then in India from April 1902 until August 1906, after which he was transferred to the Army Reserves in Poona. In Bombay, February 1911, he was married to one Eva Foorman, my great grandmother, daughter of Levi Foorman. My grandfather Harry John Topper was born in 1917, and we believe Eva Foorman to have died in 1919. John later remarried, in 1924, to Annie Joseph. We know nothing further about Eva Foorman or Annie Joseph. Searches on FIBIS, FindMyPast and Ancestry have turned up nothing. Our assumption is that there are other data source relating to India that have not been digitised, or that relate to non-British interests and therefore may be available on other international genealogy sites. Where else should we be searching from here? The only other potentially relevant information is that the Topper/Foorman wedding was witnessed by George White and Polly White (ne Swartzes), whose own wedding (1930, Poona) I was able to find documented. Both "Foorman" and "Swartzes" sound to me possibly Dutch or Afrikaans. Does that sound plausible? Thanks in advance for any help you can offer! Jon Topper London, England