Hello Listers, I had a DNA test done with National Geographic, (cost $199), which showed I have 22% South West Asian, and 2% South East Asian DNA. According to their study, the Nat'l Geographic shows that South West Asian DNA shows up in nationalities of people within Europe, i.e. British, Germans, Greeks etc. due to the travels of their ancestors. Their percentages runs around 17% whereas mine is a little higher. The South East Asian DNA, comprising of northeast India, and southeast Asian populations stretching from India across to Vietnam is what interests me, with whom and where did it become part of my mitochondrial DNA will probably never be known. My family members lived in India for over 100 years, it is inevitable to have SE Asian DNA, I am delighted. How does one go about finding relatives with similar comparisons? Do companies like Ancestry and FIBIS etc. give you lists or suggestions of various family groups or people that are willing to share their common DNA roots? Shirley B.

In response to Eardley Downling: "What if the Mother is British?" While I am not sure what the citizenship rules were for Britons in 1893 in terms of receiving British citizenship through the mother, in this century, it became possible only after January 1, 1983. Before that, children of British mothers and non-British fathers were not eligible for British citizenship, even if the parents were married. Children of British fathers, on the other hand, were automatically British, even if the parents were not married! My understanding is that the EU does not allow member countries to discriminate based on gender and therefore insisted that Britain bring its citizenship laws in line with the rest of the Union, which Britain did with the 1983 citizenship law. Before 1983, my two American-born children could not get British citizenship through me (and not through their Iranian father either, of course). For me, the 1983 reform of the law was bittersweet: as soon as my American son graduated from university here in the U.S., he grabbed his British passport and took off for London. 23 years later, he still lives there:-( I hope this accurately answers one of Eardley Downling's questions. Anthea Tillyer New York City > On Aug 15, 2015, at 17:45, Eardley Downling via <india@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Greetings! A child born in Calcutta in 1893, Father British mother Indian > or other. Is the child a British Citizen. Any difference if the child is > male or female. What if the Mother is British. > > > > > > Regards > > > > E.P.Dowling > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Salaams to all, So with all the recent info on DNA testing, who gives the most believable and reliable test? I can't decide, please give me your opinion. And as to cost, which one would be most "cost effective" so to speak. Warren Abbott Ontario Canada

Greetings! A child born in Calcutta in 1893, Father British mother Indian or other. Is the child a British Citizen. Any difference if the child is male or female. What if the Mother is British. Regards E.P.Dowling

Thank you for all the replies regarding obtaining certificates from St Mary's Cathedral in Rangoon. I have exhausted the microfilm at the British Library and have been working on the notices in the newspapers.These are the certificates I was hoping to obtain. Thank you Angela (Monteen) Etwaroo

I should be pleased to read what other people think of this two-part series. Have to say I tried to watch the first episode and found it shallow, uninformative and boring, and gave up after 30 minutes; five minutes on the www could have told me more. I tried the same presenter's "History of Railways" a few weeks ago, and despite being a railway "buff" didn't last past the 20-minute mark on that one. No more Dan Snow for me.

Hello, This maybe a little off thread but I used Sorensen Labs in SLC, about 8 years which I think is now part of Ancestry, and what they sent me was not what I was expecting, i.e. pinpointing my ancestors to a particular part of Scotland. What I did get was access to fairly small data base but with no close (70%) Wilsons. I later fed my Y chromosome results into another database which gave me an Iceland - Scots heritage, which was encouraging because I was not 100% certain of my paternity. On reading recent mails, I see people are quoting percentages of South East Asian blood. How do Ancestry come up with such statements and do they also give lesser percentages for other racial groups found in your sample, e.g 14% Icelandic-Scots: 45% Celtic, etc., etc? Are these educated guesses on their part or are they backed by genetic science? If anyone replies pls keep it simple! Thanks, Nick

Thank you for warnings about DNA testing. I am only too aware that it may well not work but "curiosity killed the cat!" and, after decades of wondering about my Indian ancestor I thought I'd just risk it, as a last ditch attempt to find something about the Indian lady who was not mentioned when my GGG Grandfather Condell was married in Aberdeen, at the same time as denying that he had fathered her children by leaving them to be brought up by his Catholic sister. His daughter went on to have beautiful children and grandchildren. His son went to sea and has not been traceable since (although Condell is a name attached to Portuguese submarines!). I feel the Indian lady needs someone to care about her past existence - a far-fetched romantic idea, yes, but nevertheless one I have felt for decades.

The first episode screened in Australia, well at least NSW, last Wednesday 5th August, most interesting program and is on again tonight. SBS is the channel and 7.30pm is the start time for a 1H10 program. My guess is the BBC has been busy promoting and gaining an income. You can't blame them for that. You will enjoy it if you can view it. Fred .. -----Original Message----- From: india-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Stewart Green via Sent: Wednesday, 12 August 2015 12:59 AM To: india@rootsweb.com Subject: [INDIA] BBC Documentary - Birth of an Empire: The East India Company BBC World News is broadcasting a 30 minute documentary entitled Birth of an Empire: The East India Company on Saturday 15 August 2015. Broadcast times appear to differ depending on what region of the world you are located. It would be best to visit the BBC website to obtain the exact broadcast times for your region: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/n3csxl34 Should be an interesting one! Stewart Green South Africa ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I¹ve also been looking at doing a DNA test and in my research found this article about 23andme. While the article is a couple of years old, I would still be wary. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/23andme-is-terrifying-but-not-for -reasons-fda/ Regards Cathie

Hi there, In response to Debra on this I have just received the results from my test. First, some background. My father was born in Simla of British parents in 1915 and died some time ago. His family had a military background and lived in India for some 40 or so years. Since he was orphaned as an infant I had very little to go on to work out my family tree but I have been gradually piecing together the family story and still have a long way to go. One thing I have been curious about has been the photographs of my father as a child. I have always thought that his complexion indicated there might be some Indian blood in his ancestry. If he had been asked about that he would have vigorously denied it and he often claimed Spanish heritage. The DNA test has identified a large number of potential distant cousins, including 17 4th cousins or closer, but none so far that I can link to what I know of my family tree. But it is early days. The critical thing that has turned up though, I am delighted to be able to report, is an ethnicity estimate of 14% Asia South (India/Pakistan)! This has been a shock for some of my family but a delightful revelation to most. What remains is to identify how this has happened. Maybe we will even get to meet our Indian cousins. Even though nothing concrete has emerged so far the Ancestry DNA test has added an interesting new dimension to the quest to understand my family history. Well worth it for me. John <http://www.enquirewithin.co.nz/> Alternative email: c.john.mayes@gmail.com

I have ordered the female line DNA from Family Tree DNA and hope it will find something about my elusive GGG Grandmother who was Indian. Despite years of tracing the father of her children (an HEICS Major Joseph Alexander Condell) I have found nothing whatsoever about her. There is a straight female line to her via my mother, grandmother and gt.grandmother (her daughter Mary Agnes Alexander Condell). Obviously I will email FIBIS if the information is successful. DIAN

I have taken the Family Tree DNA test and have, so far, not found anybody researching the same families. The cousins listed (for each person with the similar DNA) are very very distant and have not matched any of the families I am researching. Marny Hello list I have hit a brick wall in my research on my family tree and thought I might take a DNA TEST with Ancestry. Have any of the list used their service and do you think it's worth the hefty price tag Your comments very much appreciated Regards Debra

BBC World News is broadcasting a 30 minute documentary entitled Birth of an Empire: The East India Company on Saturday 15 August 2015. Broadcast times appear to differ depending on what region of the world you are located. It would be best to visit the BBC website to obtain the exact broadcast times for your region: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/n3csxl34 Should be an interesting one! Stewart Green South Africa

> Thank you all for your invaluable info - I now have to decide which DNA test I should take- I have traced back to about 1725c would this make a difference to which type of test is suitable Regards Debra

Would recommend that you use FamilyTreeDNA which has a very large database, and a larger range of tests. Begin with the FamilyFinder, then you can add in MtDNA later if you wish. They often have specials, particularly if you link to a project - Families in British India Society have one, and the FF test is currently $US99. https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=FIBIS On 11 August 2015 at 02:39, Debra Ewles via <india@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello list > I have hit a brick wall in my research on my family tree and thought I > might take a DNA TEST with Ancestry. Have any of the list used their > service and do you think it's worth the hefty price tag > Your comments very much appreciated > Regards > Debra > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Sylvia* Sylvia C M Murphy PO Box 2379 Carlingford Court NSW 2118 email: sylcec@gmail.com mob: 0430 011 855

Hi listers DNA testing can yield wonderful surprises as well as confirmation of one's knowledge or theories. In my case, I found out that I am (distantly) related to my husband of 40 years! Another surprise was 1% Chinese! I am pretty sure that is from my 5X g-grandmother, who was half Dutch (father) and half Portuguese/Malacca Island native. As others have noted, the revelation of East Asian ancestry is not always greeted with pleasure by one's relatives. Mine are having a huge range of reactions, from fascination to determined denial. Test on! Anthea Tillyer

Hi Debra and listers Regarding DNA tests: I have had my DNA tested recently by both Ancestry and 23andme. The results were mostly similar, but there were some significant discrepancies in the interpretation of the results, particularly in the interpretation of the genes that relate to my East Asian heritage. I was very concerned about this, so I had the tests done by Genebase. Those results and their interpretation completely agreed with 23andme and with what I know of my heritage. Based on this experience and on the wonderful networking available on 23andme, I would firmly say that 23andme is the way to go. The cost is the same for Ancestry and 23andme, but the level of service by 23andme is vastly superior, in my experience. I hope this helps. Anthea Tillyer > On Aug 10, 2015, at 12:39, Debra Ewles via <india@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hello list > I have hit a brick wall in my research on my family tree and thought I might take a DNA TEST with Ancestry. Have any of the list used their service and do you think it's worth the hefty price tag > Your comments very much appreciated > Regards > Debra > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello list I have hit a brick wall in my research on my family tree and thought I might take a DNA TEST with Ancestry. Have any of the list used their service and do you think it's worth the hefty price tag Your comments very much appreciated Regards Debra

You could be lucky When I got my results they seemed valueless and then out of the blue a distant cousin whose family had emigrated to the US from Scotland around 1730 contacted me and told me we had a near perfect match, 31 alleles out of 32. Sadly we still can't trace our common ancestor. Good luck, Nick On 10 August 2015 at 09:39, Debra Ewles via <india@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello list > I have hit a brick wall in my research on my family tree and thought I > might take a DNA TEST with Ancestry. Have any of the list used their > service and do you think it's worth the hefty price tag > Your comments very much appreciated > Regards > Debra > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >