The following announcement appeared in the West Briton newspaper, Truro, Cornwall, UK on 18 March 1859 and is forwarded from the CORNISH-GEN List. I have no further information, nor any interest in the family. I purely forward it to the List in the hope that it's of use to someone. Best wishes, Tom Thompson, St Agnes, Cornwall. ---0--- West Briton & Cornwall Advertiser - 18 March 1859 Deaths At Bhanglepore, East Indies, on the 25th of January, the wife of Colonel H. F. DUNSFORD, C.B., of a daughter.

My GGGG Grandmother was Anglo Indian and the records I have showed that they married on the Saturday and had all there 7 children christened on the Sunday. Think it was quite normal back then and also possibly they lived quite a distance from a church or mission and maybe that also contributed to this happening. Regards Karen NZ -----Original Message----- From: india-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2015 7:00 PM To: india@rootsweb.com Subject: INDIA Digest, Vol 10, Issue 169 Today's Topics: 1. Marriage Question. (sue) 2. Re: Marriage Question. (Maureen Evers) 3. Re: Marriage Question. (Joan Birtles) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

My g-g-grandparents were married in St John's Cathedral, Calcutta, and I have traced 14 children, all christened, but five of the later ones were christened on the same day. I think sometimes it may have been just overlooked when there were so many children in the family. Or possibly because my G-g-grandfather was Protestant, and his wife Greek Orthodox and there might have been an argument about christening. G-g-grandmother was definitely given funeral rites by the Greek Orthodox Church. Audrey von Lintzgy From: David Barnabas <davidkbarnabas@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [INDIA] INDIA Digest, Vol 10, Issue 169 To: James Sinclair <jimsin12@aol.com>, Message-ID: <CAA_KaiDVTaOHw44AHtcaj9FRUjbpTj7Hquo1C79cFTDeLiEWYQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I have seen in many instances, in the original Baptism registers, where children born of wedlock, were christened on the same day. In all these cases, the mother was a 'native woman' and her name was seldom mentioned in the baptism registers. I am not sure if that was the rule or was practiced by the Clergy. It is definitely not clerical error. Also, in most cases, these baptisms were done privately, not during the Church Service, as was normally done.

I have seen in many instances, in the original Baptism registers, where children born of wedlock, were christened on the same day. In all these cases, the mother was a 'native woman' and her name was seldom mentioned in the baptism registers. I am not sure if that was the rule or was practiced by the Clergy. It is definitely not clerical error. Also, in most cases, these baptisms were done privately, not during the Church Service, as was normally done. David Barnabas Bangalore, India On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 1:38 PM, James Sinclair via <india@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Sue > > I don't think so. Having children out of wedlock was considered > disgraceful in those days. It is probably a clerical error on the > certificates. > > James Sinclair > jimsin12@aol.com > > > > ----- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Agree that it was quite common for marriage to take place after birth of child or children. I think that if I was to check all families in India in my wife's tree I might find that it was more common than marriage first. My guess is that couples were not church goers when they had children and later decided to marry and the church then persuaded them to have their children baptised. David -----Original Message----- From: india-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jill Glover via Sent: 06 September 2015 13:26 To: 'Karen & Peter'; india@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INDIA] INDIA Digest, Vol 10, Issue 169 Karen, Could it be that your ancestor had just embraced Christianity and therefore could be married and have her children baptised in a Christian Church? Cheers. Jill >>snip<< My GGGG Grandmother was Anglo Indian and the records I have showed that they married on the Saturday and had all there 7 children christened on the Sunday. Think it was quite normal back then and also possibly they lived quite a distance from a church or mission and maybe that also contributed to this happening. Regards Karen NZ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List Sue, a couple could only have a Christian marriage service if both bride and groom were Christians. I believe this was quite a big step for many Indian women to take, as it could cut them off from their families. Possibly your ancestor did not become a Christian until after the birth of her child. Cheers Maureen > On 6 Sep 2015, at 2:26 am, sue via <india@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi All, > I have a birth record for my Great Grandmother x 2 saying she was born 1819. I also have found a marriage record for her parents ( the names, fathers details and area are the same on her birth record) but the marriage was in 1822 and she was born 1819. Her mother is Indian. Would this be a norm that they would marry after having children? > Thanks Sue > >

Hi Sue, My ggg grandparents, with the wife Indo Briton, [& only 13 yrs old & husband 26] didn't marry until 1844 after having their first child in 1829 and went on to have 4 more before they married, so I feel it was pretty normal. Joan Hi All, I have a birth record for my Great Grandmother x 2 saying she was born 1819. I also have found a marriage record for her parents ( the names, fathers details and area are the same on her birth record) but the marriage was in 1822 and she was born 1819. Her mother is Indian. Would this be a norm that they would marry after having children? Thanks Sue --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Sue I don't think so. Having children out of wedlock was considered disgraceful in those days. It is probably a clerical error on the certificates. James Sinclair jimsin12@aol.com -----

Hi All, I have a birth record for my Great Grandmother x 2 saying she was born 1819. I also have found a marriage record for her parents ( the names, fathers details and area are the same on her birth record) but the marriage was in 1822 and she was born 1819. Her mother is Indian. Would this be a norm that they would marry after having children? Thanks Sue

Nancy, Some of these names appear in "The Bengal Obituary" which you can find online through Google. Good luck, Daphne On 31/08/2015 1:54 a.m., NANCY LILLY via wrote: > Hello everyone! > Here's the current list of ancestors I am researching. Lots of questions with very little answers. Hopefully, there will be a connection somewhere out there... > 1. BOTELHO/BOTELLHO family, Calcutta - 1700s-present.2. JACOB LUCAS, son HENRY LUCAS, ?-Calcutta - 1780-1900s.3. DIOGO MANUEL HENRIQUES, son FRANCIS XAVIER HENRIQUES,?-Calcutta - 1775-1850s.4. JAMES DORIN, ??Calcutta?, 1820s-1880s.5. FLORENCE ANDERSON, Calcutta, 1820-1850.6. MATILA CONNARS/CONNORS, Madras, 1820s.7. CHARLES GRANVILLE FERNANDES and LEONARA CONSTANCE FERRON, Calcutta, 1880-1900s.8. ROBERT FRANCIS BEATSON, Calcutta, 1845-?9. JOHN D'CRUZ/D'CRUZE, Calcutta, 1820-?10 JOHN PAUL, Calcutta, 1820s-?11. SULLIVAN LAW HYDER, UK-India, 1812-1850s.12. JOHN and JESSY ARABELLA CONSTANCE MANUEL, Calcutta, 1820s-?13. LAURENCE JOSEPH and ROSE D'SILVA, Calcutta, 1800s-?14. CHARLES MICHEL, Calcutta, 1800s.15. J. HENRY HOOK, PETER CLEMONS, JOHN TATE and JOHN ANDREW ALLAN/ALLEN, Calcutta, 1800s. These were the husbands of RITTA/RETTA HENRIQUES. 16. JOHN HEMINGWAY DORR, UK-Calcutta, 1810-1850s. > > > > > Nancy Rixon Lilly > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have Abraham Beatson born 9 July 1807 ( Calcutta) in my family tree. His daughter Alice Henrietta Beatson born 19 March 1854 in Umbala, India is my great grandmother. Charles Dique Sent from my iPad in Honolulu, Hawaii > On Sep 4, 2015, at 1:43 PM, Daphne via <india@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Nancy, > > Some of these names appear in "The Bengal Obituary" which you > can find online through Google. > > Good luck, > Daphne > >> On 31/08/2015 1:54 a.m., NANCY LILLY via wrote: >> Hello everyone! >> Here's the current list of ancestors I am researching. Lots of questions with very little answers. Hopefully, there will be a connection somewhere out there... >> 1. BOTELHO/BOTELLHO family, Calcutta - 1700s-present.2. JACOB LUCAS, son HENRY LUCAS, ?-Calcutta - 1780-1900s.3. DIOGO MANUEL HENRIQUES, son FRANCIS XAVIER HENRIQUES,?-Calcutta - 1775-1850s.4. JAMES DORIN, ??Calcutta?, 1820s-1880s.5. FLORENCE ANDERSON, Calcutta, 1820-1850.6. MATILA CONNARS/CONNORS, Madras, 1820s.7. CHARLES GRANVILLE FERNANDES and LEONARA CONSTANCE FERRON, Calcutta, 1880-1900s.8. ROBERT FRANCIS BEATSON, Calcutta, 1845-?9. JOHN D'CRUZ/D'CRUZE, Calcutta, 1820-?10 JOHN PAUL, Calcutta, 1820s-?11. SULLIVAN LAW HYDER, UK-India, 1812-1850s.12. JOHN and JESSY ARABELLA CONSTANCE MANUEL, Calcutta, 1820s-?13. LAURENCE JOSEPH and ROSE D'SILVA, Calcutta, 1800s-?14. CHARLES MICHEL, Calcutta, 1800s.15. J. HENRY HOOK, PETER CLEMONS, JOHN TATE and JOHN ANDREW ALLAN/ALLEN, Calcutta, 1800s. These were the husbands of RITTA/RETTA HENRIQUES. 16. JOHN HEMINGWAY DORR, UK-Calcutta, 1810-1850s. >> >> >> >> >> Nancy Rixon Lilly >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I continue with my detailed postings, over the last two years, on the descendants of Sir Miguel / Michael de Lima e Souza, of Bombay, India.  This posting concerns the descendants from Louisa, who was a daughter of Sir Michael and his second wife, Anna Maria Carvalho.  Louisa was born approximately 1790.  My principal source is a family tree, produced about 1940, by Matilda Divo (nee de Lima) (1870 - 1949) and Colonel Trevor de Ga (1918 - 1999), both of them descendants of Sir Michael and each of them accomplished genealogists.        Whereas Sir Michael married twice and begot eight children, it appears that only four of these children bore him any grandchildren.  This posting addresses the last of those those four children.  Luisa de Lima e Souza was born about 1790,a daughter of Michael de Lima e Souza and Anna Maria Carvalho, his second wife.  Louisa married Joseph Anthony Pereira.  Theyhad issue:     - Nicholas Pereira, reported to have hadno issue.  - Anna Maria Pereira, who married Manoel Maria de Ga and they had issue:  - Anna Maria de Ga.   - Joseph Anthony de Ga  - John Pereira, reported to have had no issue.    I would be delighted to correspond with, and share family history details on the family of Sir Michael de Lima e Souza, with any descendant or researcher of this family.  All this family are either ancestors or laterals of my wife.  Best wishes. Peter FerreiraToronto, Canada.

Liz, 1927 TILBURY.Mary-m-BALLANTYNE.Herbet. I have emailed you direct with a copy of the marriage you requested. You will see the fathers are named Henry which is clear to read once you zoom in. Also there is a Ballantyne as a witness. Regards Cheryl Sent from Windows Mail ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear all, Thank you to all of those people who kindly took the time to write and assist. I appreciate everyones response. Simon, I am wondering if you have a link for the ' find my past ' record that you saw the marriage record of my grandmother, MARY MARGARET TILBURY to my grandfather HERBERT JAMES BALLANTYNE , in Sept 1927, in Lahore , in which you saw ' HENRY TILBURY , not HARRY as her father. I have not been able to access it , perhaps you can post a copy. ? of course " Harry ' is a less formal version of HENRY , but some were christened Harry and not HENRY, GIVING RISE TO CONFUSION ! As no one seems to of found a record of her birth or baptism, there , to date, have been no other as yet found formal records relating to her life in INDIA . I have written to the CONVENT OF JESUS AND MARY , now that I know that's where she was raised, in the hope that there were records kept and further hope that they have survived. Other than this, I have hope that DNA TESTING recently conducted thru ANCESTRY.COM.AU to which I subscribe will bring us some clues or a genetic connection, however for now, my story remains as " which HARRY/ HENRY TILBURY" . KIND REGARDS , LIZ

Hullo List, Sharmain, as your man served after 1831, you could initially look at the Registers of Bengal Army European Soldiers, available on LDS microfilm, or at the British Library ,London. For details, see the FIBIS Fibiwiki page Bengal Army http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php/Bengal_Army <http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php/Bengal_Army> Cheers Maureen > On 31 Aug 2015, at 10:28 pm, Simon Harding via <india@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > > Sharmain > > I would take a look on the Fibis website. There is a lot to help > people on there, in particular I recommend you get the book > "Researching ancestors in the East India Company Armies" by Peter > Bailey. (Make sure you get the book for the earlier period up to the > mutiny). You should be able to find some interesting material in the > British Library & some may be on LDS films if you cannot get to > London easily). In my own research I found out a lot about my > great-great grandfather who was a gunner in the Bengal > Artillery: his recruitment in London in 1847, the ship he sailed > on, posting in Bengal, promotion to sergeant and then transfer to > commissariat and progression through various ranks there. > > > Good luck! > > Simon. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharmain Gallagher" india@rootsweb.com > To:"india@rootsweb.com" > Cc: > Sent:Sun, 30 Aug 2015 14:04:21 +0100 > Subject:[INDIA] Robert Belchambers 67th N.I. > > Dear list, > I am trying to find our how one of my relatives got to India. > I have found a reference in IOR for my 3rd g. grandfather Robert > Belchabers (b. about 1800) which lists the following: > Name: Robert BELCHAMBERS > Event type:Biography > Biographical notes: Sgt, Bengal Army 1819-62; IOR Biographical File > > Would there be anymore details in the biographical record or is the > information transcribed what would be included in the record at the > British Library? > > I also have a reference that lists him as Quartermaster Sgt 67th > N.I. > Am I likely to find any army records for him as he was in the native > infantry? > > Thanks > Sharmain >

Hello Liz I was interested in your problem with Mary Margaret who married a Ballantyne because I have Ballentines/Ballantynes in my tree. On checking mine don't seen to be connected to your tree, they were David William Ballantyne 1878 - 1904 and his son Henry James Ballantyne 1899 - 1952. What I have found which may be of interest to you is a James A Tilbury who married Mary Gibson in a Registry Office Marriage in Allahabad, Bengal 1906 - 1911, no exact date given. These books can be found on the shelf at the British Library and some kind person in London may do a look up for you to get further details. It is also on FIBIS but still no further details. Record here; http://indiafamily.bl.uk/UI/FullDisplay.aspx?RecordId=014-000344428 James A Tilbury and Mary Gibson had one child MARY ALICE TILBURY born 21 Dec 1908 and christened 26 Jan 1909 in Jubblupore. James's wife Mary (Gibson) Tilbury died 10 Sep 1910 in Agra. This may in fact be you Mary Margaret Tilbury, names were not always correct and some records can throw you off because of that. Her father, James, may have been called Harry by everyone but his official name could well have been James. Also there is no record of his occupation that I can find. Because Mary Alice's mother died only a year after her birth she may have been placed in the convent orphanage and her name changed/mixed up by the nuns or she took the name Margaret at her first communion. I had problems with my own family records due to these sort of problems. If you have access to Find My Past (some libraries in Australia access) I recommend you check out their records for the above people. It may well solve you problem. Hope this is of some help to you. Regards Penni Brisbane Australia

Hi Nancy I know there was a James Dorin a little earlier than the dates you quote. He owned the East Indiaman Bombay Castle between about 1800 and 1807. Perhaps you are looking for this man or maybe his son? The Bombay Castle was involved in the famous engagement of Pulo Aura (see Wikipedia for extensive description). An ancestor of mine was midshipman on the Royal George at that encounter, then purser on the Bombay Castle for its next voyage. Simon   ----- Original Message ----- From: "NANCY LILLY" india@rootsweb.com To:"India List" Cc: Sent:Sun, 30 Aug 2015 08:54:40 -0500 Subject:[INDIA] Research Names Hello everyone! Here's the current list of ancestors I am researching. Lots of questions with very little answers. Hopefully, there will be a connection somewhere out there... 1. BOTELHO/BOTELLHO family, Calcutta - 1700s-present.2. JACOB LUCAS, son HENRY LUCAS, ?-Calcutta - 1780-1900s.3. DIOGO MANUEL HENRIQUES, son FRANCIS XAVIER HENRIQUES,?-Calcutta - 1775-1850s.4. JAMES DORIN, ??Calcutta?, 1820s-1880s.5. FLORENCE ANDERSON, Calcutta, 1820-1850.6. MATILA CONNARS/CONNORS, Madras, 1820s.7. CHARLES GRANVILLE FERNANDES and LEONARA CONSTANCE FERRON, Calcutta, 1880-1900s.8. ROBERT FRANCIS BEATSON, Calcutta, 1845-?9. JOHN D'CRUZ/D'CRUZE, Calcutta, 1820-?10 JOHN PAUL, Calcutta, 1820s-?11. SULLIVAN LAW HYDER, UK-India, 1812-1850s.12. JOHN and JESSY ARABELLA CONSTANCE MANUEL, Calcutta, 1820s-?13. LAURENCE JOSEPH and ROSE D'SILVA, Calcutta, 1800s-?14. CHARLES MICHEL, Calcutta, 1800s.15. J. HENRY HOOK, PETER CLEMONS, JOHN TATE and JOHN ANDREW ALLAN/ALLEN, Calcutta, 1800s. These were the husbands of RITTA/RETTA HENRIQUES. 16. JOHN HEMINGWAY DORR, UK-Calcutta, 1810-1850s. Nancy Rixon Lilly ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

  Sharmain I would take a look on the Fibis website. There is a lot to help people on there, in particular I recommend you get the book "Researching ancestors in the East India Company Armies" by Peter Bailey. (Make sure you get the book for the earlier period up to the mutiny). You should be able to find some interesting material in the British Library & some may be on LDS films if you cannot get to London easily). In my own research I found out a lot about my great-great grandfather who was a gunner in the Bengal Artillery: his recruitment in London in 1847, the ship he sailed on, posting in Bengal, promotion to sergeant and then transfer to commissariat and progression through various ranks there.   Good luck! Simon. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharmain Gallagher" india@rootsweb.com To:"india@rootsweb.com" Cc: Sent:Sun, 30 Aug 2015 14:04:21 +0100 Subject:[INDIA] Robert Belchambers 67th N.I. Dear list, I am trying to find our how one of my relatives got to India.  I have found a reference in IOR for my 3rd g. grandfather Robert Belchabers (b. about 1800) which lists the following: Name: Robert BELCHAMBERS Event type:Biography Biographical notes: Sgt, Bengal Army 1819-62; IOR Biographical File Would there be anymore details in the biographical record or is the information transcribed what would be included in the record at the British Library? I also have a reference that lists him as Quartermaster Sgt 67th N.I. Am I likely to find any army records for him as he was in the native infantry? Thanks Sharmain ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

 Liz I would say apply Occam's razor and do not rule out Henry Augustus Tilbury. You claim with certainty that your grandmother's father was Harry Tilbury, based on her marriage record, but I dispute that. Find My Past has a very clear scan of the register and there is no doubt in my mind that it says Henry Tilbury.    Let's dig a little deeper. First of all note that Herbert Ballantyne was a driver for the N.W. Ry. (marriage register). Henry Augustus Tilbury did have a military connection, nothing special - he was a private in the Manchester Regiment for 8 years having enlisted at Agra when he was 18. After finishing his term he married Ethel Jane Pearce in 1899. Tilbury was now a guard on the E.I.  Ry. whilst his wife's father was a guard on the SP&D (Sind,Punjab and Delhi) railway. Then in 1913 Ethel Jane Tilbury, widow, married Lionel Albert Carton, station master at Aish Bagh (Lucknow). There's a lot of railway folk here. All people with similar background, status, liable to mix, maybe at big railway junctions like Lucknow or maybe moving jobs between companies. However, nothing to suggest a small child being put in a convent.  It is most unfortunate that you cannot find a baptism. But, and a big but, it is very interesting to find Henry Augustus Tilbury actually died in 1936 in Bhamo (Burma I think), occupation trader, age 65. So we're left with another mystery. Did his wife run off with another man in 1913 or did he abscond? Perhaps they just separated. Related or not, there were certainly rum goings on in the Tilbury family, just the sort of things that would have been spoken of in hushed voices, if mentioned at all in polite company. If the wife did run off and leave a child behind, what could a railway guard do with a five year old but try and place her in a convent or similar A passing thought, I do have an illegitimate child in my family tree who was baptised with her mother's surname in Cawnpore (I think) yet later used her father's surname when travelling to Europe with him and on her return to India when she married. Perhaps you should check every Mary Margaret born in 1908! Finally I see a probate record in London for Ethel Jane Pearce of Ootacamund, South India, in 1959. Perhaps she reverted to her maiden name? The executor was Evelyn Thomas, widow. Does that name mean anything? I hope some of this is useful to you. It's been an interesting diversion. If you ever find the truth please post on here! Simon. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sutty" india@rootsweb.com To: Cc:"TilburyCM" , "Sutty" , "Brenda Ballantyne" , "Yvette Wall" Sent:Sat, 29 Aug 2015 19:27:06 +1000 Subject:[INDIA] HARRY TILBURY IN BRITISH INDIA, MY GREAT GRANDFATHER, BUT WHICH HARRY TILBURY?? I am trying to find out about my great grandparents on my father, s mothers side. My grandmother, MARY MARGARET TILBURY , was born in India in 1908, and was raised in a convent until her marriage in Sept 1927 in Lahore , to my grandfather , HERBERT JAMES BALLANTYNE . The family have always wondered about her family of origin, and she spent her life often sad as she never met them. Members of my family have various stories, speculations and accounts , all similar, unproven, and yet conflicting. An uncle recalls a secretive culture concerning such matters and recalls overhearing the name WILLIAM HARRY TILBURY , and my recent research has discovered a MILITARY OFFICER with the same name who served in India around a credible time for him to possibly be her father. There are few other candidates, initially I thought a HENRY AUGUSTUS TILBURY, also a Military man, whose family have extensive history in INDIA , with accounts of events that seemed credible too. We do know for certain her father,s name was A " HARRY TILBURY" HE IS ACKNOWLEWDGED ON HER MARRIAGE RECORD. There is no mention of her mother, and no one seems to of been able to find a record of my grandmothers birth . I recently managed to find an elderly gentleman who knew my grandmother, I was trying to find out what the connection to the CLAYTON FAMILY that several of my uncles mentioned. The marriage record also mentioned a witness, an EK CLAYTON , and this turned out to be the gentleman whom I founds father! He was able to tell me how he knew her, his mother worked as a volunteer at the CONVENT OF JESUS AND MARY IN LAHORE , and when my grandmother was due to leave the convent as a young lady , Mrs Clayton was asked, as was the custom, if she knew anyone wanting a wife! Her husband , Edward Kenneth , knew the Ballantyne family well, he had gone to school with my grandfather, s brothers at the Bishop cotton School in LAHORE , and they were aware young Herbert was indeed seeking a wife! Consequently, my grandmother came to live in their home as a member of their family for some time whilst a match was made . Mrs Clayton took her under her wing. It was the only family she knew prior to marrying and starting her own, and we believe that when late in life she asked my youngest uncle to find her half brothers she meant the Clayton boys she had spent time with. My priority and focus in my research for some time , has been to correctly identify who her father was , as I said , there are a few , but not many possible candidates, and I had earlier focused my attention on one HENRY AUGUSTUS TILBURY , As details seemed to add up, however, contact with a descendant has meant that this now seems unlikely, but can't be completely ruled out at this stage we would like to learn as much as we can about her family and the circumstances of her relinquishment . we suspect her mother died, and her father being a Military officer (I am told that that would of been the only way the nuns took her, I her upbringing was paid for, as my elderly gentleman contact, son of the Claytons tells me that only kids of Military families went to the convent, as the nuns were quiet poor). I have written to the convent now that we know which one (only recently after finding Mr Clayton ) in the hope some records have survived, a long shot, but worth a try! We may get some clues, but I expect it is unlikely we will ever learn the name of her mother. I think it likely she was at least Anglo indian or had mainly indian heritage, and I also think it likely that Harry Tilbury would have had a wife, perhaps back in England? Whilst he was serving in India. Several lines of enquiry are being pursued ! I have recently received my results of Ancestry.com.au DNA TESTING which confirms Indian heritage. I am hoping this may also help us find out ' WHICH Harry Tilbury was my GG grandfather !! Can anyone assist further ? WE ARE CLOSER THAN EVER BEFORE ! it would mean a lot if we could accurately settle this mystery of our heritage! I also feel we owe it to my grandmother, she was often deeply distressed about not knowing her family. Kind regards, liz ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sylvia, Yes I think he did marry Elizabeth Pickard and that he died in Monghyr.I picked up the 67th BNI reference from the 1829 marriage of Martin Pickard and Elizabeth Bezel where Elizabeth Bezel is stated as residing in the residence of Robert Belchambers. She is only 14. I can find none of the child baptisms either but as you said there are several marriage records for possible children which I have found. I will try and see if I have any luck tracking him in the army muster rolls as you suggest. many thanksSharmain Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 17:14:33 +1000 Subject: Re: [INDIA] Robert Belchambers 67th N.I. From: sylcec@gmail.com To: sharmaingallagher@hotmail.co.uk Did he marry Elizabeth Pickard in 1824 at Chunar? Unusually this record only has him down as a soldier - no rank or regiment. And did he die at Monghyr 9 Apr 1866, described as Pensioner? Not very helpful! However, even though you have a reference to him being a QM Sgt in 67th BNI, I think you should still be able to track him through the muster rolls as almost certainly he served in one of the European regiments previously. Senior NCO positions in the BNI were held by British/Europeans rather than natives. So far I have not been able to find any records of baptism for children of Robert and ? Elizabeth, however there are several marriages which I suspect are his children, but of course they don't provide details of his occupation - rank/regiment; e.g. 14 Nov 1859 John Bellchamber, under age, Inspector EI Railway, son of Robert Bellchamber, m. Catharine Louisa D'Souza at Bhagulpore. Good luck with your searching. -- Sylvia Sylvia C M Murphy PO Box 2379 Carlingford Court NSW 2118 email: sylcec@gmail.com mob: 0430 011 855 On 30 August 2015 at 23:04, Sharmain Gallagher via <india@rootsweb.com> wrote: Dear list, I am trying to find our how one of my relatives got to India. I have found a reference in IOR for my 3rd g. grandfather Robert Belchabers (b. about 1800) which lists the following: Name: Robert BELCHAMBERS Event type:Biography Biographical notes: Sgt, Bengal Army 1819-62; IOR Biographical File Would there be anymore details in the biographical record or is the information transcribed what would be included in the record at the British Library? I also have a reference that lists him as Quartermaster Sgt 67th N.I. Am I likely to find any army records for him as he was in the native infantry? Thanks Sharmain ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message