Hello List Frances may be interested in the following death entry from The Asiatic Annual Register: Volume 8 1806 Part 1, pages 183-184 which has some similarities to her George Cumming. The death occurred off the Cape of Good Hope. The body was preserved in spirits and this person was buried at St Helena seven months later. May 1805 : At sea, on board the David Stott, East Indiaman, off the Cape of Good Hope, Mrs. Clerk, wife to Lieut. Col. Clark, of the Madras establishment. Her amiable and condescending manners were such as must insure lasting respect,, and her death will be long regretted, particularly by her numerous and respectable friends at that presidency. She has left a respectable husband to bewail the loss of a most affectionate wife, and six infant children of a most attentive and fond parent. Her remains were preserved in spirits until the 31st December following, when they were interred at St. Helena, with all suitable attention, and followed to the grave by all the passengers of the fleet, and the greater part of the inhabitants of that island. Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

Re: "My great-uncle, Neville Hugh LEWIS, was appointed OBE, Civil Division, 12 June 1947. In the Gazette, his position is given as Additional Deputy Military Accountant-General, Government of India. There is nothing further about him there. How can I find out why he received this honour?" I suspect the answer lies in his position, which sounds like a fairly senior Civil Service post and he would probably have been awarded the OBE for service in the Indian Government. As is still the case, senior Civil Servants regularly receive such honours as a Thank You for services rendered. It may be that the list of honours granted at that time would have been printed in The Times on 13th June and they may, as they do now, have given the reason for the honour. Unfortunately I do not have a subscription to 'The Times Archive', but you can purchase a day pass that would let you look at the entry. Regards Bruce Gorie

In a message dated 7/19/2010 3:50:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mjward75@hotmail.com writes: My great-uncle, Neville Hugh LEWIS, was appointed OBE, Civil Division, 12 June 1947. In the Gazette, his position is given as Additional Deputy Military Accountant-General, Government of India. There is nothing further about him there. How can I find out why he received this honour? Margaret, I think Bruce has given you as much information as you are likely to find and I totally concur with his response that your great-uncle most likely received his OBE as a result of his service in his position as a fairly senior civil servant. Your great-uncle received his OBE in the Birthday Honours List and unfortunately there are no citations for awards granted in the Birthday Honours List as these awards are considered a gift from the Sovereign. Tim

Hello everyone. I'm Colin Evans, researching the Avery and Cummin(g)s families in the Madras Presidency 1813-aprox1860.   Thomas Avery, originally from Berkshire UK, enlisted 1813 sailed in The Rose to Madras, became Sgt Quarter-Master Madras Horse Artillery, married three times - Catherine (?), Charlotte Hobson, Julia Wardle, died 1831.   Amelia Cummin(g)s nee Avery was Thomas Avery's daughter. She was brought up in the Madras Female Asylum then married Edwin Thomas Cummin(g)s, originally from Chatham, Kent.    Madras Horse Artillery.   Cantonment life in Madras, Bangalore, Bellary, and Cannonore period 1815-1830.   If anyone is researching these threads I'd be delighted to exchange info. (I have previously subscribed to the list and found it very helpful but am returning now after an absence of some years during which I've lost certain material). Thanks, Colin Evans

Hello all, My great-uncle, Neville Hugh LEWIS, was appointed OBE, Civil Division, 12 June 1947. In the Gazette, his position is given as Additional Deputy Military Accountant-General, Government of India. There is nothing further about him there. How can I find out why he received this honour? Many thanks, Margaret Tucson, Arizona _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2

Hello List Geoffrey said: Just doing a re-run on my CHARLES MARSHALL who was my Gt.Gt.Gt. Grandfather. From British records which I have verified, it is recorded the he was formerly of Copenhagen, Denmark, and that at the age of 40,(born 1765) be enlisted in the Bengal Artillery at Calcutta, India in August 1805 and served as a Gunner until 1811, when he disappeared from the Muster Roll (Source - India Office Records. The British Museum - Bengal Muster Rolls.Ref. L/MIL/10/1329). As the document said formerly of Copenhagen, I wrote to the National archives at Denmark, but they could not help. In the FIBIS Fibiwiki page Danish http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Danish it says "There are Danish records of Tranquebar and Serampore in the King's Library in Copenhagen, Denmark". I'm not sure if these are the records Geoffrey has accessed, but Serampore was close to Calcutta, where the enlistment in 1805 took place. As he enlisted at age 40, it sounds as if he may have been a soldier. As it sounds as though he probably wasn't a Danish soldier, could he have possibly been in one of the German regiments which are mentioned in the FIBIS Fibiwiki page German? http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=German Mentioned in this link there is a British Library catalogue reference "Papers regarding the disbandment of the Wurttemberg Company, (includes a Muster Roll of the Company). Memorial of Lieutenant Paul Kellner requesting permission to transfer to the Madras Army. IOR/F/4/183/3685 Jul 1804-Mar 1805" which is the approximate period Geoffrey is interested in. Calcutta is a boat trip from Madras. There is an external link in the Fibiwiki page (written in German) but it appears to show that the regiment started off in the north of Europe, in Holland which is not too far from Denmark. Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

Dear Listers - I have been following the above subject with great interest, and am requesting help in solving my ancester.      Peter Kouwen married in 1806 in Madras - and the marriage service was taken by Dr. Rottler of the Tranquebar Mission - as was the baptism of his sons Harry and William.    We were given to understand that he was Dutch - I can find no birth or death in India - nor his profession - have searched in various areas - Dutch ships arriving - and also in Ceylon (Sri Lanka) - in your research into the Danish or German areas - if you do come across the name (which we understand was also changed at some time ) would be so grateful of any information.     Thanks - Thelma Cramb in W. SWussex.

For the Attention of Carol king, Hi there not sure i have made contact before, however reading your message today, i note you are researching BENNETT, MARSHALL & KING. all of which i am researching My BENNETT is a EVALENA MARGRET who married a ROBERT MARSHALL 1920 CALCUTTA KINGS are BERTRAM Born 1885 Died 1817 JAMES CHARLES KING Died Meerut 1888 Married a GERTRUDE ALICE WILTON 1884 Bertram Arthur James King Born Madras 1913 Dudley Reynold Charles King Born Rangoon 1915 Do any of these tie in with yours ????? B.Wilton-King

This was addressed to Carol, however, you have an entry that caught my attention:   JAMES CHARLES KING Died Meerut 1888 Married a GERTRUDE ALICE WILTON  1884.   I would like more info on this one, such as children etc. .   Regards   Richard Rozario ( from a lovely day in Toronto)

I was in Madras (Chennai) and had gone through the registers looking my WILLIAMS and found these, hope it is of use to anyone looking for WILLIAMS. I have to mention that the person in charge TONY FREEMAN (ph # 2567 2023) of St. Mary's Church at Fort St.George was really very very helpful and gave so much of his time in showing me through all the registers. Please contact him with the above phone number and am sure he will help you too. 1. WILLIAMS, Elizabeth b.11 July 1819, bapt. 28 July 1819 (Entry #484, Page #67) Daughter of: Thomas (Sargeant of the 46th Regiment) & Sarah WILLIAMS 2. WILLIAM, Augustina b. 14 August 1820, bapt. 14 October 1822 (Entry #768, Page #117) Daughter of: Thomas (Officer of the Garrison Band) & Jeanette WILLIAM 3. WILLIAM, Charles Alexander b. 4 September 1822, bapt. 14 October 1822 (Entry #769, Page #117) Son of: Thomas & Jeanette WILLIAM 4. WILLIAMS, William Charles b. 10 March 1824, bapt. 18 July 1825 (Entry #72, Page #171) Son of: Henry (Sub Conductor) & Catherine WILLIAMS. 5. WILLIAMS, William Plumbridge b. 17 September 1828, bapt. 26 January 1829 (Entry #1359, Page #217) Son of: John (Sarg. Major of the Govenor's Body Guard) & Jane WILLIAMS. -- RESEARCH: Baker, Bennett, Coward, Cramer, Curtis, Foote, Gabriel, King, Maddox, Marshall, Musselwhite, Pereira, Scriven(s), Williams

Hello Listers, I have been following the recent thread about the Danish presence in India with great interest because it relates to my research with poor George Cumming, the EIC writer who died at sea in December, 1800. Thanks to the FIBIS site, I was able to get the shelfmark for the ship's journal in which he made his last voyage. The librarian at the IOR was kind enough to look up the journal and found that under the 'passenger list" section, the captain noted that George departed this life on 24 December 1800. That in itself wasn't exciting but the captain also noted that he died at the Cape of Good Hope and that his effects and BODY were lifted to a Danish ship. Now, that is interesting. To begin with, Cape of Good Hope is not listed as a port of call for this particular ship. So would I be right in assuming that George had arranged a private stop? Second, what was the Danish ship going to do with this goods and body? I imagine that the Danish ship would have taken his goods back to India but the BODY? Might the Danes have buried George at Capetown? I have written off to the Danish State Archives asking if there is any information there about a ship that was there on that date and whether the captain of the Danish ship made any comments in his ship's journal about this business. I haven't heard from them yet, but I just wrote a few days ago so I imagine it will take some time to get an answer. Regarding "private stops," has anybody on the list come across this phenomenon--that is, a disembarkation point that is not mentioned on the formal or official summary of the ship's voyage? Another thing I am interested in is the following: I understand that from the mid-1790s onward, the EIC did not transport the illegitimate biracial children of its employees back to Britian for free. So if an EIC official chose to send his children back to Britain, he would had to pay out of his own pocket. How much would this have cost? Are there any documents which spell the cost out? Frances

Hello list, Just doing a re-run on my CHARLES MARSHALL who was my Gt.Gt.Gt. Grandfather. >From British records which I have verified, it is recorded the he was formerly of Copenhagen, Denmark, and that at the age of 40,(born 1765) be enlisted in the Bengal Artillery at Calcutta, India in August 1805 and served as a Gunner until 1811, when he disappeared from the Muster Roll (Source - India Office Records. The British Museum - Bengal Muster Rolls. Ref. L/MIL/10/1329). Charles married Catherine Keiley at Fort William, Calcutta on 22nd. Dec. 1805. I have fairly good documentation for his son Charles A Marshall,(Apothecary) but am trying to work back, so any light on the path for Charles senior would be helpful. I do have an 1857 Relief of Lucknow for Charles A. Marshall. As the document said formerly of Copenhagen, I wrote to the National archives at Denmark, but they could not help, except they had in their records of those who paid taxes to the government, a rate-payer called DANIEL VALENTIN MARSCHALK, who was an apprentice in the city in 1762. This could have been the father of Charles A. Marshall. The National Archives in Denmark informed me that he was not entered in the staff and pension files of the Asiatic Company: Alphabetisk Fortegnelse over de forneemste....handlende og fahrende Betientere 1772-1833 (641-642) neither in the rolls 1781-1805 (650-654), comprising officers, mates, passengers ship's boys and tradesmen. Neither was Marshall to be found in Kay Larsen's manuscript on Danish East Indian personalia. How in the world Charles arrived in Bengal, I have no idea. In the descendents of Charles Marshall, the names of Charles, Jasper, Valentine, Fredrick, Verner and Anne Maria, keep arising, which seem to me to be possible names used by Danes? I especially focused on the name Valentine, thinking it could have links with the man back in Kobenhavn, but no success so far. I shall have to find a contact in Copenhagen who can do some research for me. A Danish lady doing research from New Zealand, wrote to me and said that Marschalk was not a Danish name but a Dutch name, as many Dutch builders moved to Copenhagen to build the houses there. Was this so? Maybe I have Dutch forebears instead of Danes! Any information on the Marshalls gladly received. Kind regards, Geoffrey Williams.

On the face of things it appears unlikely (but not impossible) that Patrick Oates could have attested to HM Army in March 1855 and had a child born in India 29 June 1855. However .... The LDS transcription is in error in showing a birth place of Bareilly for Lucy OATES. I am 99% certain that the India Office record which has been transcribed will only show the place of Baptism, which is probably Bareilly in 1860. I would most certainly advise looking at the India Office record of both marriage and baptism for Lucy Oates. The baptism record that you have found will confirm her father's occupation - rank and regiment and give mother's first name (though not maiden name) and enable you to come close to confirming whether her father is likely to be the same person for whom you found the WO97 (Chelsea pensioner) record. By the way, you do not want to purchase a 'certificate' from the BL, because this only adds another layer of transcription to already transcribed records. It is best to either get a photocopy of the record page from the microfilms at the BL, or order the microfilms into your nearest LDS FHC and take a copy from that film. (In my experience the films obtained through the LDS FHC are usually in better condition than those at the BL which are rather scratched and worn.) Where did Patrick OATES enlist/attest to HM Army, which Regiment and where did his service take him before India? Good hunting Sylvia (in Sydney, Aus) > -----Original Message----- > From: Ann Dawson [mailto:helenanndawson@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 11:53 PM > To: INDIA@rootsweb.com > Subject: [INDIA] Lucy OATES > > I have been researching Lucy Anne Oates who married George > Joseph Davis in Bengal in 1873. There is a christening record > for a Lucy Ann Oates: > > India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947 for Lucy Anne Oates: > Christening date > 01 May 1860; Birth date 29 Jun 1855; Birth place BAREILLY, > BENGAL, INDIA; Father name Patrick Oates; Mother name > Margaret; Batch number C75017-9

Listers. The National Archives are also doing a pilot site separate to their current website. http://labs.nationalarchives.gov.uk/wordpress/ Cheryl

Hello List Following on from my email yesterday, an article called "Transport of Troops to India" written 13 August, 1858 states that some troops were sent from England by the overland route from 1857. http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1858/08/13.htm So this route would not apply to Ann's man travelling in 1855 Cheers Maureen ( Sydney)

----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry and Kathy Hughes" <2xharveyil@gmail.com> To: <INDIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [INDIA] British Pilot RAF WW2 > Dear List: > > Need some help in locating any information on my uncle, Darsie Nigel Barry > CORNWELL, b 1913 d 1950's, who served with the RAF in Africa, during WW2. > I > don't have any other information, and any help would be greatly > appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Barry Hughes > USA What I have found is a Ship record for Duchess of Atholl (Canadian Pacific) Darcie N Cornwell aged 16 a scholar address attending as West Buckland School Nr Barnstable N Devon. Travelled 3rd class leaving from St John New Brunswick arriving Liverpool on 14 Dec 1929. Last permanent address Canada to stay permanent England. He travelled alone as a British citizen. Marriage to Irene McMullen Sept Q 1939 Fulham London Birth Irene McMullen Mar Q 1917 Sunderland Durham Hope this helps Carol

Barry, I understand that Darsie, the father of actress and novelist, Judy Cornwell, emigrated to Australia after he left the RAF. He was commissioned into the RAF on 1937. In 1938 he relinquished his commission for health reasons but was serving again by 1941. Promoted to Flight Lieutenant in 1943 he then appears to have left the service in 1947 although I cannot be sure of this. Try his daughter's website at: http://www.judycornwell.com/ It includes a means of contacting her. David Railton -----Original Message----- Need some help in locating any information on my uncle, Darsie Nigel Barry CORNWELL, b 1913 d 1950's, who served with the RAF in Africa, during WW2. I don't have any other information, and any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Barry Hughes USA

Hello List Ann said: Could Patrick Oates have an attestation date of Mar 1855 and have a child born in India in Jun 1855? Is it more likely that she was maybe born in England? My Lucy married is 1873, so the birth date of 1855 is likely, she would have been just 18? Is it worth getting a copy of the marriage certificate? Would that have her age at marriage on it? Would it have her father's regiment on it? If so -how does one go about getting a copy of her marriage certificate? Or would it be better to order the LDS film that the marriage entry came from? (Source: Vol # 144; 261; film # 499050) I do not know what the situation was in 1855, but there is a description of the 91st Regiment of Foot travelling to India by the overland route in 1858, only three years later. This involved a seventeen mile trek on donkeys across the desert to Suez which is described in detail. The regiment left Corfu 5th September 1858 and arrived in Bombay on 7th and 9th October. Direct link is http://www.archive.org/stream/historicalrecord00goffuoft#page/232/mode/2up but if this does not copy well, the link may be accessed through the FIBIS Fibiwiki page 91st Regiment of Foot. http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=91st_Regiment_of_Foot I have the feeling that an overland trip would be more applicable to a British Army regiment( which would usually have HM in the title)than for a recruit to the EIC Armies. From the Chelsea Pensioner records which Ann has, the regiment that Patrick Oates was in would be available. If a HM regiment, Ann could look in the FIBIS Fibiwiki for that regiment, to see if there is a history available which might indicate whether the regiment sailed to India, or perhaps came by the overland route. I doubt Lucy's marriage record would have her father's regimental details on it, but the baptismal record would usually have this. It is less expensive to order the LDS microfilm, (and you get a copy of the original record), than to order a record from the British Library, (where you get a transcript), if a visit there is not possible. Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

Dear List: Need some help in locating any information on my uncle, Darsie Nigel Barry CORNWELL, b 1913 d 1950's, who served with the RAF in Africa, during WW2. I don't have any other information, and any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Barry Hughes USA

Your man could well have gone to Australia or New Zealand. Many soldiers did this rather than going home, especially if the wife was Anglo Indian. You may find something on http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/ Good luck Peter In coolish Auckland