Hello again I have the army list for The 67th for 1799, 1817, 1818 and 1820 In the first -1799 neither man is listed. In the second two -1817and 1818 Thomas Hall and Colin Campbell are both Captains together. There were only 11 captains in 1818 so they must have known each other well - an amazing thought. Thomas is listed as 'Captain Thomas Hall 20 Feb 12'.  This means that he became a captain on 20 Feb 1812. The army list for 1820 still has Thomas Hall listed but my Colin has died. So presumably Thomas would also have crossed from East to West and fought at Malligaum. Frances

Dear Arvind: Many thanks for this. It seems a reasonable explanation. It is possible that this is a matter of rote for the locals here - but surely the man must have done something good during his life time to earn this kind of approbation.What I feel very sorry about is, that he seems to have been totally forgotten although someone has put up this tablet. Neither the Indians nor the British seem to have any inkling as to who he was. I have not been able to trace his roots either in the UK and he does not appear in the Madras Army lists either. I still have to check the Bengal and Bombay army registers. I would appreciate anything further on him - since you have been kind enough to take this up. Sincerely John -- John Dr. John A.Thomas,MD,FRCPath, FAMS

Hi Rebecca I have been researching my ancestor Colin Campbell (about 1790 - 1818). He also was in the 67th South Hampshire. He married in Calcutta in 1806 and one can track were he went by the places he had his children - one of which was Dinapore. He died at Malligaum (on the East sort of near Madras) after the regiment had crossed India from East to West - the first regiment ever to do this. This was during the Maratha Wars in which the 67th fought. I found details about him in either FIBIS, and Family search http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp  and British Library site - http://indiafamily.bl.uk/UI/Home.aspx The museum of the 37th were very helpful when I e-mailed them. They supplied general details about the regiment and where they fought. They also found details about Colin's military record for me. http://www.armymuseums.org.uk/museums/0000000099-Royal-Hampshire-Regiment-Museum.htm. Like you I also spent a long time on Google Books and found a lot of information in various 'Army lists' and various Gazettes and Almanacs and Intelligence Reports etc. I was able to get the baptism certificate for Colin's son JAB Campbell (born in Dinapore in 1809) from The India Office Records at The British Library London I am interested that your man was born in Ireland. I dont know where Colin was born but I suspect Ireland. How did you find his birth in Ireland? Best Wishes Frances

Hello List Mark said he couldn't access the website Familyrelatives.com because of his Mac computer incompatibility. Familyrelatives uses a DjVu plug-in. A small number of books on the site archive.org also require this plug-in. Perhaps this link called "DjVu Browser Plug-in Does Not Work in Safari on Mac OS X 10.6" may assist http://www.caminova.net/en/support/snow_leopard_err.aspx Cheers Maureen

Hello Listers, It is easy to draw conclusions about events re: deaths and second marriages. I did just this when researching for a distant cousin, thought the first wife must have died and that children were being born to a second marriage - not so - closer inspection revealed that there was indeed a second bigamous marriage, in the same town, in the same church, with children being born and baptised to both 'wives' within weeks of each other! On another occasion the son was shown as being born to a wife who died five months before the birth. This one revealed a string of liaisons over a number of years! Kind regards, Shirley On 28/08/2010 15:02, Mark O'Sullivan wrote: > Dear Joan > > I enquired about Alice E O'Sullivan formerly Campbell. You asked if > her husband was Patrick J O'Sullivan. He was. But the birth on 8 Jan > 1890 was to his second wife, Constance Emma Beatty (wedding 4 March > 1889 in Lahore), which is how I know that Alice Edith must have died > in 1889 at the latest. > > Best wishes > > Mark O'Sullivan > > ===== India Mailing List ===== > > Archives for this list can be found at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=INDIA > and at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INDIA > > Families in British India Society: http://www.fibis.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

John, <<" "Ishtur Phakra" means "Gallant Fighter">> The phrase 'Ishtur Phakra' or, more accurately 'IShTur FakDaa' is well-known to older speakers of Marathi, the local language of the area, and means "Stuart the Brave". The Marathas admired his bravery and called him FakDaa or 'Brave'. IShTur is the corruption of his name, its proper rendering being difficult for the locals, just as the British found many Indian words difficult to pronounce and changed them to make them easier on their tongue. Another name that the Marathas changed was that of the well-known Mountstuart Elphinstone. They made him 'alpiShTan'. As to why his grave is still honoured after so many years, I think it is because the simple minded villagers just continue any old tradition, even if they do not know the reason behind it. The British came in possession of that area within 20 years after the Peshwa was defeated in 1818. Capt. Stuart's memory being still fresh, custom, no doubt encouraged by official patronage, must have developed to take good care of it. After a few more decades the villagers forgot the original reason and the grave became for them yet another object of devotion. Once that state is reached, shear tradition and the Indian aversion to harm anything that is sacred, old or ancient, will ensure that the grave is taken care of. Arvind Kolhatkar, Toronto, August 28, 2010.e

Mark said: Any ideas on the death record of an Edith or Alice Edith O'Sullivan, married to a Surgeon in the British Army Medical Service? It would have been between 2 August 1879 and February 1889. There are no records in the Presidencies' funeral records nor in the English death certificates (he was posted home between December 1883 and March 1886).It would have been probably before 1883 in Bombay, Peshawar, Rawalpindi, Murree or Sialkot; or else in 1887 in Rangoon. Maureen (Sydney) said: Has Mark tried the British Army Overseas indexes, accessible through a Family relatives.com link on the FIBIS Fibiwiki page Chaplains Returns? http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Chaplains_Returns As am as I am aware, these would include Catholic deaths but perhaps someone knows definitely. I had a quick look at the British Army Overseas indexes when copies arrived in the Social Science Reading Room at the British Library; I haven't done a proper search. I can't get access to the Family relatives.com records as I have Mac which it doesn't recognise, but I have asked them for help. Thanks for the suggestion. Cemetery records would be another way in: can anyone suggest where I start looking for those, for Catholics, for the places listed above? Best wishes Mark O'Sullivan

Dear Joan I enquired about Alice E O'Sullivan formerly Campbell. You asked if her husband was Patrick J O'Sullivan. He was. But the birth on 8 Jan 1890 was to his second wife, Constance Emma Beatty (wedding 4 March 1889 in Lahore), which is how I know that Alice Edith must have died in 1889 at the latest. Best wishes Mark O'Sullivan

Hi Listers I'm new to the List and am researching Thomas HALL who was a Captain in the 67th (or the South Hampshire) Regiment of Foot, who sailed for India with the Regiment in 1805. I believe he was born circa 1779 in Westmeath, Ireland, the son of George HALL and that he married the daughter of a Surgeon PENFOLD. I have searched the Archives and came across a Connaught Journal article dated 28 May, 1823 reporting the death of "HALL" of the 67th, so I assume this relates to my man but this is really the only information I have on him. I don't know where he died. I have searched FIBIS and TNA - FIBIS has provided me with some possible leads but the TNA gave no joy. I am hoping to find the birth/baptism details of Thomas and his wife's son, George, born 12 May, 1809 somewhere in India. The 67th was apparently in Dinapore between 1808 and 1810. Would Thomas's wife have been with the Regiment each time they were relocated? If so, can anyone tell me where else I might look for births in Dinapore in 1809? In fact, any information at all on the family would be wonderful. If anyone else has militia/marine interests in the late 18th/early 19th centuries, I came across the following 2 books in Google Books, both of which are surname-searchable, downloadable and printable. I came across my Thomas HALL in the former. http://books.google.com/books?id=iKwCAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq#v=onepage&q&f=false and http://books.google.com/books?id=AugNAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq#v=onepage&q&f=false Any assistance greatly appreciated, Rebecca

Hello List, this is the first posting of gravestone names from the Catholic & Protestant cemetery at Hosur Road Bangalore,every gravestone name that I post has been photographed. Edmund Bourne 1]Horatio Arthur Willard born 30/5/1863 died 1/2/1929 2]John Newell Hawkins born 1/9/1840 died 28/9/1929 3]Edward Gillon born 31/1/1843 died 17/11/1928 4]Norah Mary Grant died 30/3/ year faded 5]Matthew Tindal died 27/2/1927 aged 81 yrs 6]Gertrude Coleman[wife of James Stewart] born march 1848 died 9/9/1926 7]James Stewart born 12/2/1845 died 13/4/1934 8]Alice Louisa Prime born 1859 died 1925 9]Victoria Margaret Lawrence died 12/12/19 ? 10]Ethel Moore Collins died 17/9/1956 aged 86 yrs 11]Alberta Constance Lambeth died 12/12/1928 aged 34 yrs 12]James Breinard Taylor died 19/8/1928 aged 28 yrs 13] Sebastion Rosario died 1945 aged 78 yrs 14]William Henry Cooper born april 1832 died 20/9/192 ? 15]Clara Landeshut born 13/11/1880 died 6/9/1957 16]Harry Foreman[ 61 field battery] died 1930 aged 24 yrs 17]Eleanor Julia Pinder died 3/5/1931 aged 73 yrs 18]Gertrude Morton born 30/6/1876 died 27/2/1932 19]Alfred A Peacork died 22/9/1932 aged 55 yrs 20]Edith Jane Brisley died 13/11/1957 aged 75 yrs.

Hello Lists: I am researching Capt James Stewart/. Stuart who died on 04 Jan 1779 at Karla near Talegaon. Maharashtra, India. Below I am appending the information I have been gathering over sometime now from various sources. References are scanty and hard to come by. * * *Capt James Stewart / Stuart was ADC to the Governor of Bombay, William Hornby who was in Bombay from 1771 - 1784. * He was assigned the task of leading an Advance Force against the Maharatta Confederacy in the First Anglo-Maharatta War [1773 - 1782]. He left Bombay on 22 Nov. 1778 with 6 companies of Native Grenadiers and a small detail of light cannons. He followed the following route from Bombay-to Panvel- landing at Apte, taking possession of the Bhore Ghats, on to Khopoli and then Khandalla. The Maharatta army became aware of his presence and then ensued a constant state of sniping and shelling. The main force led by Col. Egerton joined up with him and the collective army of 3900 moved on to Karla [Karlee] . The Maharattas were commanded by Shinde an astute General who used the principles of Security, Mobility and Surprise and never come into direct head-on conflict with the British. The British decided to doggedly pursue their objective of going and taking over Poona and to this end went on to Karla [Karlee] en-route to Talegaon. They reached Karlee in the afternoon at about 2 pm when a stray cannon ball hit Capt. Stewart on the left shoulder injuring him seriously. He died 2 hours later on 4 Jan 1779. He was buried at Vadegaon, Mavel . He was an officer who was respected not only by his soldiers but also by his enemy. I visited Vadegaon ,Mavel on 10 March 2010 and on inquiry at the local Police Station was told that a "samadhi" [ grave] was placed behind the Police station itself . I went behind the station and was told of a grave that was to be seen after passing in front of the cells . I did and in a 10' x 8 ' space in which was placed on the flat ground a large white grave cloth with a red embroidered border design with a red cross at the foot end . There were also one large 6 " candle placed at each corner of grave cloth. On coming outside I was shown an undated memorial stone embedded in the wall which read: *"To honor the memory of Capt James Stewart [Ishtur Phakra] our first commanding officer who died fighting at Karla two hundred and fifty years ago on 4 Jan 1779 2nd battalion of the Brigade of the Guards [Ist Grenadiers] Indian Army" "Ishtur Phakra" means "Gallant Fighter" . * * * I have been in touch with the Web Master of the Indian Army, who directed me to the Historical Division of the Ministry of Defense, Govt of India who in turn directed me to the Director General of the National Archives of India. From the latter, I have yet to receive an answer. Basically, I have been trying to find out who Capt James Stewart was; 1:Where he came from; did he belong to the King’s regiments or was he a mercenary who joined the East India Company forces? 2:Was his original Regiment;a European Regiment or one of the Indian Native Regiments 3: He does seem to belong to the Artillery regiment - but I do not have any reference point for this assumption. 4:What made this officer so loved by both his own soldiers and his enemies. that even 250 years on, his grave is revered with someone lighting candles and taking care of it. I have two references from the London Gazette of Aug 22, 1758 which states that *a* Capt James Stewart belonging to the 42nd Lord John Murray's Regiment was wounded at the Toconderoga on July 8 , 1758 and again in the London Gazette Aug4, 1759 marked Whitehall stated Aug 7, 1759 that *a *James Stewart had been made first lieutenant in the Regiment of Light Infantry or Royal Volunteers commanded by Col. “Craufurd”. The commonality of names causes much confusion. Both these do not fit this person. May I have some help in this matter? I have been trying everywhere in both India and the UK with few positive results. John Prof. Dr. John A.Thomas

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ginardic Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2457.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I beleive that Edward percival was a cousin.I have Cecil, Louis Oscar,Ruby Sybil as pat of one family. is it possible to have the names of the other family members and also, would your grandfather Cecil's father name be Francis isiodore? There were quite a few Rencontre's in Burma and India and beleive that they may have been related. any information would be helpful, thanking you Carmen Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello List where can I find Edmund Bourne's photographs of he graves he listed? thanks ronnie johnson

Is anyone else on the list experiencing problems with Beta Family Search records today, Its not displaying any results for India Births/marriages or deaths, names that I have looked up several times in the past. Thanks Debra

Hi Len in response to your message Dear list, > > John Bertie Thornber m. Mildred Baker in Bombay 1915. > James Sterling Smith m. Hilda Marie Baker, Bombay 1917. > > Does anyone know of them and their descendants? I have a Arthur Thornber b 1906 Budnala married to Rizpah Eurice Salder b1914 no marriage details they had 3 children Barry Arthur William b 1935 Bombay, Laureen Rizpah b1937 Bombay, Evalene Prudence b1950 Trowbridge Wiltshire UK the source of info was from a fellow member on Genesreunited. My interest is with the Salder line so I have not looked further into the Thornber's as of yet. Hope this fits your line Kind Regards Debra

Dear list, John Bertie Thornber m. Mildred Baker in Bombay 1915. James Sterling Smith m. Hilda Marie Baker, Bombay 1917. Does anyone know of them and their descendants? Cheers, Len Buchanan

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: renoqueen Surnames: Johnson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2525/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am seeking information on this fellow, born 9 January 1886 probably Vepery, India (near Pondicherry?). I believe him to be the brother of my childrens 3Xgreat-grandmother. Her name was Celina/Salina Johnson who married David Ross. There was also another sister named Amelia. I believe the parents of these people to be Samuel Johnson and Anne Elizabeth Robinson. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello List The following link is to a Findmypast blog about the Rupert Penry-Jones episode of Who Do You Think You Are? http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2010/08/who-do-you-think-you-are-rupert-penry-j ones-in-our-records/#comments or http://tinyurl.com/2d57vmm Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

Hello List Robin said: Where can I find out about the RA in Meerut in 1895? And are there records of births in India for soldiers children in 1895? The FIBIS Fibiwiki has a page Royal Artillery http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Royal_Artillery but the information available for the period around 1895 is fairly minimal. One of the published histories is in respect of Campaigns 1860-1914, details are given in the Fibiwiki article. There is also the related page Stations of Royal Artillery in India http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Stations_of_Royal_Artillery_in_India Firepower, The Royal Artillery Museum in London has a Library and Archives which perhaps may have some relevant records. In respect of birth records for the Army, the FIBIS Fibiwiki page Chaplains Returns gives details of records available. http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Chaplains_Returns Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

Laura submitted an inquiry on the BLAKE / WHITTAKER marriage below. I'm sorry that I can't provide too much information except that I am also interested in any information about the WHITTAKERS in India. My gg grandfather John WHITTAKER (born 1827 in Oulton, Leeds, West Yorkshire England was allegedly murdered in India in the 1860s. He had 2 brothers that we can't see to find in England, George WHITTAKER, born about 1822 and Thomas WHITTAKER, born about 1817. Could they have all gone to India? Would be great to hear from anyone also researching WHITTAKERS in India. Marina Canada Groom name John BLAKE Groom birth date 1873 Groom age in years 30 Father of groom name Joseph BLAKE Bride name Mabel M. Elizabeth WHITTAKER Bride birth date 1886 Bride age in years 17 Marriage date 08 Jun 1903 Marriage place Kolar Gold Fields, Madras, India Father of bride name Thomas WHITTAKER Batch number M00109-8 Record group India-EASy Film number 527466