James Henry DICKINSON married Charlotte Mary GREENSHIELDS at Bombay in 1867. Five known children including Percy Wellington DICKINSON born 1887. David MANNING married Emma B HAMILTON in 1887, somewhere in Bengal. Five known children including Ethel Mary (May) MANNING born Agra in 1892. Percy Wellington DICKINSON married Ethel May MANNING, in India but date and place unknown. Ethel had previously had a child, Dulcie Emma, in about 1918, father unknown. Does anyone have any connection with or knowledge of these people? David

Thanks for that post re the Tasmanian connection of O'Brien. I've just forwarded the message to the Tas Rootsweb list. Cheers Ainslie.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: geetee51 Surnames: Palmer Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2526.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello I received an email from my cousin Jennifer Cardis(nee Palmer) in Sydney some while ago in response to a Denise Page email(address below) which stated - "Dennis Palmer is my father.He died here in 1972. . His stepfather was Harold Palmer who was the fire chief in Bombay. He died in the huge explosion In Bombay . He came from Kidderminster. Denise said - "My mother was Kathleen Alexandra Palmer (known as Kay or "Girlie" to her family) and her parents were Henry and Mary Ann Palmer from Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England. I have recently found out that one of my grandfather Henry's brothers was in the Fire Service in Bombay -- probably Harold I believe. denise.page@hotbase.co.uk Hope this may be of some help to you. Regards gordon thoy gordonthoy@xtra.co.nz Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

To all Listers in Australia, I just noticed while watching the above BBC programme on Jason Donovan that one of the ancestors that was mentioned was a Simeon Lyons. He married Elisabeth Gertrude O'Brien in Tasmania in 1879. She was born in Calcutta. Perhaps one of our Australian Listers also has this O'Brien family in their tree ? Keith Cornelius England.

I have a death record for Janet Brown,1863, Stewarton, Ayr, Scotland, and it says she is the widow of Major William Brown 69 Bengal, N. I. She was getting some sort of pension, I believe on his service. Does anyone have any information on Major William Brown from Stewarton, Ayr, Scotland? He and Janet married in Stewarton in 1813. I don’t know when or where he died. Their only child was born later in 1813. I cannot find the family in the 1841 Scotland census, but I do find Janet and her daughter and family in the 1851 Scotland census and Janet is listed as “annuitant”. In 1861 census, she is listed as “widow of a Major.” Any help greatly appreciated. Thank you. Elaine Sharp Sacramento CA USA

Rebecca   I have just found the Attestation Papers of my direct ancestor through http://www.familysearch.org/  using its Library/Library Catalogue tab.  The same papers were on Findmypast.co.uk - a better alternative though costly.     The papers provided personal details such as height, colour of hair and skin; birthplace, trade, occupation, record of service and reason for discharge.  The films cover a period from 1760-1872.                

Hello List I am adding this name interest in the hope that someone may have the names in their tree and offer further information. My brick wall is with Edward Thomas Lloyd born c 1842 place unknown, Father Edward Lloyd, builder Edward Thomas lloyd, married Jane Wilson Couper or Cooper in 1860 Liverpool England Frank Vernon Lloyd 21 April 1874 Allahabad India birth, parents Father Edward Lloyd Mother Jane. Frank Vernon Lloyd, marriage 20th July 1909 to Aileen Florence Jardine, at Asansol Bengal India, grooms father Edward Thomas Lloyd Brides father William Jardine Frank Vernon Lloyd death, 13th August 1938 Quetta Bengal India. burial 14th August 1938 marital status unknown Jane Wilson Lloyd mother of the above died 31st August 1878 Allahabad. ( I have Janes Ancestry back to late 1700s Scotland) Edward Lloyd, book-keeper born c1842 died 8th June 1883 Karachi Bengal India father of Frank Vernon Lloyd Other children to Edward Thomas Lloyd and Jane Wilson Lloyd (formerly Couper/Cooper) James Maben Dixon Lloyd 1861 Liverpool England Edward Thomas Lloyd 1862 Liverpool England John Lloyd 1864 Liverpool England married Stella May Baird 15 Sep 1897 India (Stella May Lloyd died 22 Sep 1944 Lucknow a widow) *Arthur Couper Lloyd* 1872 Naini Tal/Allahabad mistranscribed as Arthur Couper Leoyd died Liverpool England 1930 (*My Grandfather)* Frank Vernon Lloyd 1874 as mentioned above These children above are confirmed as those of Edward and Jane Lloyd but there may be more not yet discovered. John Lloyd and Stella May Baird had the following children found in the India Easy records recently released by Familysearch Beta site. Dienaide John lloyd 25 April 1899 Jamalpur Bengal India died 4 Oct 1923 Assam Bengal Donorhea May Lloyd 9th Sept 1900 (Dorothy May) married Frederick Hampshire 10 Aug 1927 Allahabad India James Farquharson McLaren Lloyd 25 dec 1905 I do hope this name interest is permitted Edna Palmer

Rebecca I got the baptism of John Algeo Bullock Campbell (Colin Campbell's son) when I visited the British Library India Room but I had found it first online here http://indiafamily.bl.uk/ui/fulldisplay.aspx?recordid=014-000040676. Colin died 1818 at Malligaum near Bombay - I got this from the Bombay Almanac  - Google Books. This is not long before Thomas so check the records for that side of India. I would love to know what happened to their widows and children. I suspect the children might have gone into one of the orphanages either in Bombay or Calacutta. There were several posts about orphanages a few months ago. My chap John pops up later in Cawnpore on his marriage. He is: 25 Status: head Asst., Commis. Office, Benares. Your chap  George turns up in Tasmania! Presumably Eleanor - daughter of Surgeon Penfield would have been looked after by her family or married again and been OK. I think my Colin's wife was of mixed blood and probably brought up in an orphange herself. There is one possible record of a subsequent remarriage to a fellow captain in the 67th who died very soon after. Have you looked for a subsequent re-marriage for Eleanor My e-mail address is f.ross1@btinternet.com Frances

Dear Bosham: Many thanks for your response. I am beginning to get this same feeling and ask myself as to whether this man really existed!! My inability to trace this man even in the Presidency Lists of Army personnel gives me the feeling that things do not seem very right. He could not have been total blacked out of the records. And if so for what reason?? If the British thought of him as a hero then why have they never mentioned him in their records? There is mention of a Capt Stewart with Duff: * History of the Maharathas: James Grant Duff: : vol 2: Chapter 12 : page 244 onwards: Bombay: Printed at the Exchange Press, Fort: 1863. This may reflect what Duff had picked up from the then existent records. * I have also another reference to him in a Bombay Presidency gazette note mentioning him. I will have to check this out again.** On the UK side I have thought that the name Stewart may suggest a Scottish origin and have checked the name and date out with the Black Watch regiment whose archivist came out with no answers!! ** I should like to contact Col Anil Athale. Would you have his email address or his postal address? *I have been told of Kincaid's book and will explore that also.* ** I intend to peruse this till I am able to have some answers. With Warren Hastings at the helm of things at that time it is possible that the recording of history was quite vitiated. Hastings was none too happy about the Treaty of Wadegaon and eventually had Carnac among others dismissed for having signed this Treaty. And Carnac was no small man in the British military hierarchy!! Thank you for your time. Sincerely John* * * * -- John Dr. John A.Thomas,MD,FRCPath, FAMS

RebeccaThanks very much for that. See also the below link http://www.pauljerrard.com/67th/67thsouth.html#anchor207455 other books to google in google books Allens Indian mail (and Intelligence)Asiatic annual registerAsiatic journal and  monthly miscellanyasiatic journal and monthly registerthe indian maileast india register and army listcalcutta gazettecalcutta annual registereast india military calendarFrances

I am rather puzzled. If your Thomas did die in 1823 he would not be listed in the 1837 list as this does not list the deceased Keith Smith > > > I'm new to the List and am researching Thomas HALL who was a Captain in > the 67th (or the South Hampshire) Regiment of Foot, who sailed for India > with the Regiment in 1805. I believe he was born circa 1779 in Westmeath, > Ireland, the son of George HALL and that he married the daughter of a > Surgeon PENFOLD. > > I have searched the Archives and came across a Connaught Journal article > dated 28 May, 1823 reporting the death of "HALL" of the 67th, so I assume > this relates to my man but this is really the only information I have on > him. I don't know where he died. > > I have searched FIBIS and TNA - FIBIS has provided me with some possible > leads but the TNA gave no joy. > > > I am hoping to find the birth/baptism details of Thomas and his wife's > son, George, born 12 May, 1809 somewhere in India. The 67th was > apparently in Dinapore between 1808 and 1810. Would Thomas's wife have > been with the Regiment each time they were relocated? If so, can anyone > tell me where else I might look for births in Dinapore in 1809? In fact, > any > information at all on the family would be wonderful. > > If anyone else has militia/marine interests in the late 18th/early 19th > centuries, I came across the following 2 books in Google Books, both of > which are surname-searchable, downloadable and printable. I came across > my Thomas HALL in the former. > > http://books.google.com/books?id=iKwCAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq#v=onepage&q&f=false > > and > > http://books.google.com/books?id=AugNAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq#v=onepage&q&f=false >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: CBateman6607 Surnames: Palmer, Bateman Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2526.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Harold. My father, Richard (Dick) Bateman was also a fireman in Bombay at the time of the explosion. He was on leave, moving house, at the time of the first explosion, rushed to the docks, and survived the second explosion. There are articles on the internet about the explosion. My father joined the Bombay fire service after evacuating from Burma. He joined other firemen, including the chief, I think, that he knew from Burma. Are you in Scotland? I'll be visiting Glasgow in a couple of weeks. After the war my father went back to Burma and after Burma's independence, he went to Glasgow where he was a fireman. Sorry none of this is of any help regarding Harold Palmer's life in India. Regards. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Thank you very much Frances, you've been a great help. I found Thomas in various Army Lists through Google Books too - 1818 (both he and your Colin mentioned), 1820 (only Thomas), 1822 and 1823, although Thomas died in Bombay on the 12th of November, 1822. I've no idea where to even start trying to find any info on his death. I didn't know when he was promoted to Captain, so thank you for that info. I've already searched FIBIS, Family Search and the British Library site - not much joy there I'm afraid, but the Museum looks very promising and I'll definitely get in touch with them. While Googling, I came across this information regarding where the 67th was at any given time - this is how I surmised that George was born in Dinapore. You may be interested in it. http://www.ans.com.au/~rampais/genelogy/india/indexes/kitz.htm I guess my idea that George was born in Dinapore (also in 1809) was probably correct, seeing as how you also have a birth there in the same year. Did you use an on-line search of the British Library India Office Records to get the birth certificate, or did you just contact the Library and ask for a search? I know the family was originally from Ireland because Thomas's son, George, (who was apparently born in India, or so several people researching the family mentioned on RootsChat) came out to Tasmania as a pioneer settler from Co. Westmeath. George's brother-in-law, James Fenton, also a pioneer settler in northern Tasmania, wrote several books regarding the early Tasmanian years and gives quite a bit of information on George which was very helpful. The Irish records seem very user unfriendly and scarce though, and I haven't made any headway in Ireland since. I'm really struggling to get any further with this line, especially as nothing comes up in any of the online databases for them but I appreciate your help very much and you've certainly given me some further avenues to explore. If I come across anything which I think you could also use in your tree, I'll forward it to you. Cheers Rebecca > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again Frances, Sorry, for some reason that link brings up the British Library India Office site. Try this one: http://www.ans.com.au/~rampais/genelogy/india/indexes/index.htm If you have any trouble with it, let me know and I'll email you the information. Cheers Rebecca

Hi Everyone, In case some of you have not discovered this, the two books below (full versions) give good accounts of tombstone and monumental inscriptions, very often with detailed information regarding other family members. "List of Inscriptions on Christian tombs and Tablets of Historical Interest in the United Provinces of Agra and Oudh (1911)" http://www.archive.org/details/listofinscriptio00blunrich For those with Ceylon connections: "Tombstones and Monuments in Ceylon" http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924007648516 Happy hunting! Geri

I am looking forward to future postings. There are many in my tree that must be there. David -----Original Message----- Sent: 27 August 2010 12:19 Subject: [INDIA] Hosur Road Cemetery Bangalore Hello List, this is the first posting of gravestone names from the Catholic & Protestant cemetery at Hosur Road Bangalore,every gravestone name that I post has been photographed. Edmund Bourne

O > 1. Thomas HALL - 67th Regiment of Foot (Rebecca Cooley) Rebecca I may be able to give you some information about Thomas Hall as he is my ggf however I do not know much about his wife Eleanor. There is a connection of the family in Tasmania through a grandson? Mary Anne in Melbourne

Rebecca Thomas Hall was my 4ggf however I do not have much information on either him or his wife Eleanor. I do know that one of his grandsons ended up in Tasmania. Would you like to contact me off list. Mary Anne Melbourne > > > I'm new to the List and am researching Thomas HALL who was a Captain in the 67th (or the South Hampshire) Regiment of Foot, who sailed for India with the Regiment in 1805. I believe he was born circa 1779 in Westmeath, Ireland, the son of George HALL and that he married the daughter of a Surgeon PENFOLD. > > I have searched the Archives and came across a Connaught Journal article dated 28 May, 1823 reporting the death of "HALL" of the 67th, so I assume this relates to my man but this is really the only information I have on him. I don't know where he died. > > > I am hoping to find the birth/baptism details of Thomas and his wife's > son, George, born 12 May, 1809 somewhere in India. The 67th was apparently in Dinapore between 1808 and 1810. Would Thomas's wife have been with the Regiment each time they were relocated? If so, can anyone tell me where else I might look for births in Dinapore in 1809? In fact, any > information at all on the family would be wonderful. >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: highland_denny Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2526/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My great-uncle Harold Palmer was killed in a big explosion at Bombay docks in 1944 - he was in the Fire Service. I am trying to find out about his life in India, as I am not sure when he went there or if he had any family there. I would appreciate any help on this. Thanks. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

There are two sources you could try. One is an online article written by a well known expert on Anglo-Maratha History Col. Anil Athale (retired) who questions the very existence of the brave ''Ishtooart''. You might like to get in touch with him and discuss further. See this story dated February 14, 2003: http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/feb/14spec.htm and also this - http://www.indianexpress.com/oldStory/18886/ The second is an old book - not online as yet, but a copy was available for sale here: ''Ishtur Phakde. A Gallant Englishman and other studies'' by KINCAID, C.A., 142pp, Bombay 1917. http://tinyurl.com/34gg3qz or http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=2775833138&searchurl=bt.x=65&bt.y=11&sts=t&tn=Ishtur+phakde%3A+a+gallant+Englishman+and+other+studies Kincaid, as we know, was a great Indophile Briton. I have no idea about what he says (about Stewart) in this book, though. --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arvind Kolhatkar" John, <<" "Ishtur Phakra" means "Gallant Fighter">> The phrase 'Ishtur Phakra' or, more accurately 'IShTur FakDaa' is well-known to older speakers of Marathi, the local language of the area, and means "Stuart the Brave".