A website/database has just come to my attention that some of you may be interested. East India Company Ships http://www.eicships.info/index.html Thanks, Melanie

----- Forwarded Message ---- From: T CRAMB <tcramb152@btinternet.com> To: INDIA@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 13 September, 2010 9:45:34 Subject: Kouwen family. Dear Peter - many thanks for the informaton received - Peter Glendower was my grandfather - William his father - and the original Peter (who we were told was Dutch) hopefully will show up in the film 521839 - if you will be having this film out at any time in the future - or anyone else on the list - would be so grateful to have any further information.    He married in Vepery in 1805 Hannah Lindsay- when I visited the BL in earlier days of research found this marriage - but could not find anything further.    Once again thanks - I just knew some clever lister would be able to help.    Regards from a sunny W Sussex.  Thelma.

I am enquiring about the D'Sa family who resided in Parel, Bombay...their names are Bernard D'Sa, Elizabeth D'Sa and Sissy D'Sa...please send any info you have on this family. Thank you very much. Lynette Mendes (for Bernadette D'Sa)

Very many thanks Peter. I never thought of checking in Wikipedia. Regards Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter & Amanda" <saents@xtra.co.nz> To: <india@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [INDIA] Indian Love Lyrics - > Hi Ray > > These words were on Wikipedia, firstly the poem and secondly the lyrics > from > the song. > > Poem: Kashmiri Song > > Pale hands I loved beside the Shalimar, > Where are you now? Who lies beneath your spell? > Whom do you lead on Rapture's roadway, far, > Before you agonise them in farewell? > > Oh, pale dispensers of my Joys and Pains, > Holding the doors of Heaven and of Hell, > How the hot blood rushed wildly through the veins > Beneath your touch, until you waved farewell. > > Pale hands, pink tipped, like Lotus buds that float > On those cool waters where we used to dwell, > I would have rather felt you round my throat, > Crushing out life, than waving me farewell! > > Lyrics: Kashmiri Song > > Pale hands I loved beside the Shalimar,* > Where are you now? Who lies beneath your spell? > Whom do you lead on Rapture's roadway, far, > Before you agonise them in farewell? > Pale hands I loved beside the Shalimar, > Where are you now? Where are you now? > > Pale hands, pink tipped, like Lotus buds that float > On those cool waters where we used to dwell, > I would have rather felt you round my throat, > Crushing out life, than waving me farewell! > Pale hands I loved beside the Shalimar, > Where are you now? Where lies your spell? > * Gardens > > All the best > > Peter > Also in NZ > > ===== India Mailing List ===== > > Archives for this list can be found at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=INDIA > and at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INDIA > > Families in British India Society: http://www.fibis.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter & Amanda" <saents@xtra.co.nz> To: <india@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [INDIA] Indian Love Lyrics - > Hi Ray > > These words were on Wikipedia, firstly the poem and secondly the lyrics > from > the song. > > Poem: Kashmiri Song > > Pale hands I loved beside the Shalimar, > Where are you now? Who lies beneath your spell? > Whom do you lead on Rapture's roadway, far, > Before you agonise them in farewell? > > Oh, pale dispensers of my Joys and Pains, > Holding the doors of Heaven and of Hell, > How the hot blood rushed wildly through the veins > Beneath your touch, until you waved farewell. > > Pale hands, pink tipped, like Lotus buds that float > On those cool waters where we used to dwell, > I would have rather felt you round my throat, > Crushing out life, than waving me farewell! > > Lyrics: Kashmiri Song > > Pale hands I loved beside the Shalimar,* > Where are you now? Who lies beneath your spell? > Whom do you lead on Rapture's roadway, far, > Before you agonise them in farewell? > Pale hands I loved beside the Shalimar, > Where are you now? Where are you now? > > Pale hands, pink tipped, like Lotus buds that float > On those cool waters where we used to dwell, > I would have rather felt you round my throat, > Crushing out life, than waving me farewell! > Pale hands I loved beside the Shalimar, > Where are you now? Where lies your spell? > * Gardens > > All the best > > Peter > Also in NZ > > ===== India Mailing List ===== > > Archives for this list can be found at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=INDIA > and at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INDIA > > Families in British India Society: http://www.fibis.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Ainslie wrote: "Interesting to see that some of the wording has changed - who is shown as having written the lyrics for each set?" The poem was written by Laurence Hope, the pseudonym of Adela Florence Nicolson and the song was written by Amy Woodforde-Finden based on the poem. All the best Peter

There are several different versions of The Kashmiri Love Song aka Pale Hands I Loved on You Tube, sung by Richard Tauber, Nelson Eddy and others. Joss

Hi Ray These words were on Wikipedia, firstly the poem and secondly the lyrics from the song. Poem: Kashmiri Song Pale hands I loved beside the Shalimar, Where are you now? Who lies beneath your spell? Whom do you lead on Rapture's roadway, far, Before you agonise them in farewell? Oh, pale dispensers of my Joys and Pains, Holding the doors of Heaven and of Hell, How the hot blood rushed wildly through the veins Beneath your touch, until you waved farewell. Pale hands, pink tipped, like Lotus buds that float On those cool waters where we used to dwell, I would have rather felt you round my throat, Crushing out life, than waving me farewell! Lyrics: Kashmiri Song Pale hands I loved beside the Shalimar,* Where are you now? Who lies beneath your spell? Whom do you lead on Rapture's roadway, far, Before you agonise them in farewell? Pale hands I loved beside the Shalimar, Where are you now? Where are you now? Pale hands, pink tipped, like Lotus buds that float On those cool waters where we used to dwell, I would have rather felt you round my throat, Crushing out life, than waving me farewell! Pale hands I loved beside the Shalimar, Where are you now? Where lies your spell? * Gardens All the best Peter Also in NZ

I found the following book online on the Gemmell/Gemmill family and the Brown family I am researching is in it and now I have names of Major William Brown's parents, and siblings, etc. However, the book says he was unmarried but he was, in fact, married. Anyone else related to this family. http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dtog/gemmell.pdf Elaine

Interesting to see that some of the wording has changed - who is shown as having written the lyrics for each set? Cheers Ainslie.

Hello listers - today I have found gggrandfather's marriage on this site - the name is Kouwen - but it was under Kauwn - and together with the M's - also saw a relative's name under Kauwen.     My query is the source film no is 521839 - where do I research this ???    so that I maybe can find out names of parents of groom and bride.     Many thanks for any help - I have been looking for this ancestor for a long time.   Cheers for now -Thelma Cramb.

Hello Ainsley Your message to the list about the Indian Love Lyrics brought back memories for me as I had not heard a rendition of them since I was a lad, and that was a very long time ago. I had never forgotten the music by Amy Woodforde-Finden although there are gaps in my recollection of the words. "Pale Hands" was a favourite of mine and I have often thought how wonderful it would be to find these items on a tape or CD, but I never did. If you have time I would be very grateful if you could send me a scan of the work you have mentioned. Be assured it would be very much appreciated. Kind regards Ray Wright Wellington NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ainslie Pyne" <woodart@woodart.com.au> To: <india-british-raj@rootsweb.com>; <india@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 9:45 PM Subject: [INDIA] Indian Love Lyrics - > Greetings folks, > > Following a recent post to the list regarding the song by Laurence Hope > I offered to send scans of the Kashmiri Song - mentioned as "Pale Hands > I Love beside the Shalimar... > > I have a Boosey & Co publication printed in 1903 called > New Edition > Four > Indian Love Lyrics > from The Book of Poems > entitled > "The Garden of Kama"* > by Laurence Hope, > Set to Music by > Amy Woodforde -Finden > (*Kama The Indian Eros) > > No.1 The Temple Bells > 11. Less than the dust > 111.Kashmiri Song > 1V. Till I wake. > > I do not wish to part with this album - it belonged to my late > Grandfather, composer/musician James J. Stroud - The Kashmiri Song was > a particular favourite of his. I am willing to send scans to any list > member wanting a copy. > > This booklet is No. 1 for Contralto or Baritone - the other version I > don't have is ... No. 2 is for Soprano or Tenor. > > also printed inside the cover.. > "New edition, copyright 1903 by Boosey & Co. copyright renewed 1930 in > USA by Boosey & Co Ltd. > > Email me off list for pdf copies. > > Cheers > Ainslie. > ===== India Mailing List ===== > > Archives for this list can be found at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=INDIA > and at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INDIA > > Families in British India Society: http://www.fibis.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maureenr5 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2531.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Fiona Igatpuri was a railway town on the Great Indian Peninsular Railway., so David Ross may have been a railway employee. See *http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/india/2008-05/1210977567 *http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/india/2009-02/1234165570 *FIBIS Fibiwiki page "Great Indian Peninsula Railway" http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Great_Indian_Peninsula_Railway which indicates if he joined this railway 1925 or before, you may find records at the British Library. With regards to the death record, read the FIBIS Fibiwiki page "LDS Microfilms for Church Records outside of the usual Presidencies" http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=LDS_Microfilms_for_Church_Records_outside_of_the_usual_Presidencies , the subsection "Church Records after Independence" Alternatively, if you know the religion you may be able to contact the Church Diocesan office in India (if you can work which Diocese Igatpuri was in!) See FIBIS Fibiwiki page "Church records" http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Church_records As a final option, depending how much you want the information, you could attempt to obtain a copy of the death registration, which would involve using a service in India to do this. Read FIBIS Fibiwiki page "Birth and death registration" http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Birth_and_death_registration Cheers Maureen Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maureenr5 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2530.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Phil The LDS Beta site (for details see the FIBIS Fibiwiki page IGI, http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=IGI) has the following entry Name Ellen Guy Gender Female Baptism/Christening Date 13 Jul 1876 Baptism/Christening Place Meerut, Bengal, India Birth Date 24 Jun 1876 Birthplace Meerut, Bengal, India Father's Name John Guy Mother's Name Mary Indexing Project (Batch) Number C75030-8 System Origin India-EASy Source Film Number 510851 Reference Number v 157 p 71 Meerut was an Army cantonment (garrison town) so it is likely John Guy was in the Army, probably the British Army, less likely the Indian Army. For details about researching in India, see the FIBIS Fibiwiki Beginners' Guide http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Beginners'_Guide Cheers Maureen Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: fionabrown45 Surnames: Ross Classification: death Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2531/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am trying to find the death certificate and/or any information about David Ross who was born on 27 May 1881 in Forres and died 03 Jan 1951 at Igatpuri Bombay India. He was married to Annie Ross (nee Donaldson) but she did not go to India with him). Any help would be gratefully received. Thanks Fiona Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Probably no connection but I have been trying to locate a Samuel Blake PORTER, father of Rosa Edith Louisa PORTER b 1865 who married Charles FRANKLIN in India in 1881. Is there any connction? Tahnks Mary ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: philrmoon Surnames: guy, setch Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2530/mb.ashx Message Board Post: i'm trying to find some information on the guy family, it seems that an emily guy was born in meerut, west bengal, india in abt 1876 and her sister ellen b abt 1874 also in meerut, west bengal, india, someone informed me that on the 1881 census they are shown living with the setch family in billericay,nr brentwood and are show as nieces to a samuel setch, i was further informed that emily appears in the 1891 census also in billericay, brentwood but not an ellen guy. If anyone has any print offs that they would very kindly email me on philrmoon@btinternet.com and aalso of any other information that they may be aware of such as the parents or other siblings etc i would be very grateful. I was also told that in the 1911 census there is shown living in cardiff, glamorgan a emily/emmeline/emma guy shown b abt 1875 at sea working as a servant, again if anyone has a copy of a census report, would they be kind enough to email it please. Have no idea where and who emily and ellens p! arents were and it is possible that they could have been living over in india in west bengal around meerut. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello List Joan said: I received this from a friend who was searching through London newspapers and sent it to me in case it was of interest to the India List or FIBIS members. This [British] Army List for 1798 shows that the officers mentioned by Joan, Colonel Aston and Major Allen were in the 12th Regiment of Foot, a British Army Regiment http://tinyurl.com/2uu5fk8 (Google Books link) Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

Hi This may be unrelated to your Palmers, but just in case it helps, here's correspondence I had a couple of years ago about Palmers in my family. Hi Phil, I am very pleased to hear from you, i am still researching the family. I also found the family on the 1871 census. Frederick Augustus Palmer the father of the children was a East India Merchant, so we have the connection. I think something must have happened to them between 1861-71, i cant find any reference anywhere to Frederick Augustus Palmer and wife Julia Margaret Palmer. They were in Liverpool in 1861 as Frederick the child was born then,i have his birth certificate,he was born Liverpool,19th October 1861 Frederick Augustus Palmer, i havent found them as yet on the 1861 census so maybe they were as you say in India. I have researched Julia/Julie the daughter, i have quite a bit of info on her, and i believe Fanny married a James Palmer of Surrey. Now heres a question Phil, where did you get your info on Ada ? as Ada was my great grandmother, she was Ada Wilhelmina Palmer, she married my great grandfather William Aubrey Fletcher 6th October 1887. Her fathers name and occupation on marriage certificate was Frederick Augustus Palmer-East India Merchant (Deceased).they were married St Giles,Bloomsbury,Middlesex and her address was given as 18 Gower Street, Bedford Square. They were also together on the 1881 census as A.W Palmer born India,so must have known each other for some time prevoius to marriage. Julia Augusta Palmer - Ada's sister was staying with them on the 1891 census. heres the tricky bit,they had three children the first as on the 1891 census Henry A Fletcher, (my grandfather) he believed he was born out of wedlock, March 25th 1887 (havent found his birth certificate yet) his age on the census was 7 so could have been born 1884. The Ada you mention that married Arthur Francis Soundy 1881 seems to be Ada Mary Palmer, who was Arthur Soundy Phil?. I havent found any other info on the Martinnants than what you probrably already have from the census but will keep an eye out for you. The Palmers all came from Liverpool and i have traced them back to about 1720, the children had several aunties and uncles at that time in Liverpool, so i guese the connection between your family and mine must have been close or maybe related, Julia Margaret Palmer(mother of children) maiden name was Roper, wonder what your Madieliene Matinnants maiden name was. on all the info i have on Ada wilhelmina Palmer and Julia Augusta Palmer theres reference to them being born Colaba,Bombay, which is at the very bottom of Bombay island,so a search in that district might turn up some interesting things. please keep in touch Phil. All the best for now Regards *//*Dear I hope you don't mind me emailing you. I came across a post you made a couple of years ago on the Acestry.com message board - looking for information about your 2 X great grandfather - Frederick Augustus Palmer. You mention he had a couple of daughters, Julie and Ada. I can't think how I got to your post, but it was the daughters names that caught my eye. I've been researching my family history and my 2 X greatgrandfather - Edward John Martinnant, born in Bombay - was in the Indian Civil Service. He and his family came to England some time in late 1861/early to mid 1862 and settled in London. You probably have this - in the 1871 census the Palmer children: Fanny - age 16y, born Bombay Julie - age - 15y, born Bombay Ada age - 13y, born Bombay Frederick - age 11y, born Liverpool were living with the Martinnant family in Wimbledon, London. All were orphans. The Palmer children are not listed in the 1861 census - so presumably still in India. In 1881 Frederick Palmer was a visitor at the Martinnant house. Ada married Arthur Francis Soundy that year in London. They had three children - all born in India. There are no Martinnants or Palmers listed in the 1851 Bombay census - but then this did not cover every district of the city. I have no idea what the connection between the families was - but it must have been fairly signifcant for the orphaned children to be staying with the Martinnants. Maybe you have more details now - I would be very interested. Do you have anything on the Martinnants in India? Regards Phil Bennett

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: smallishbonnie Surnames: Palmers Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/412.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In my family tree I have Palmers who were born in India, my grandmother Ada Lousise Georgina Palmer, as they could be related some where along the Palmers side of the family. Do u have any more inforon the Palmer family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.