Hello List Niki said: I don't understand why both John and Catherine appear on the army returns under 30 regt when their baptism records state 55th regt. I suspect the sequence of events was: William Molloy was initially in the 55th, but transferred to the 59th, which amalgamated with the 30th, and thereafter he was regarded as being in the 30th. I do not have access to Find My Past so cannot comment definitely but the births Niki found on Find My Past do not seem to be from the "Chaplains Returns", because I looked on Family Relatives.com which also has these returns for free. Reading about the Find My Past database it seems likely the records Niki found were births taken from regimental registers, presumably the 30th Regiment. These records probably are only classified according to the register they came from, not the regiment the soldier was in when the birth took place. The FIBIS Fibiwiki has the page Chaplains Returns http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Chaplains_Returns Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

Thank you very much Moira and Maureen for your helpful responses! Kind regards Niki Osborne In a message dated 28/09/2010 22:03:48 GMT Daylight Time, NikiOsborne@aol.com writes: I'm hoping that some knowledgeable soul will be able to help me. I'm trying to find out which regiment my ancestor was in but there seems to be conflicting information: India Records at British Library Catherine Molloy bapt 1873 Nowshera Station daughter of William and Jane Molloy Pte in HM 55 regt living in Campbellpore. John Molloy bapt 1875 Delhi son of William and Jane Molloy Pte in HM 55 regt Elizabeth Mulloy bapt 1880 daughter of William and Jane Molloy Pte in HM 59 regt Army Returns from Find My Past Catherine Molloy born 1873 Nowshera HM 30 regt Catherine Molloy born 1873 Campbellpore HM 55 regt John Molloy born 1875 Delhi HM 30 regt Elizabeth Molloy 1880 Dugshai HM 30 regt Wiki tells me that the 30 and 59 regt amalgamated in 1881 so am guessing that the army returns were updated with the new regiment number for Elizabeth, but I don't understand why both John and Catherine appear on the army returns under 30 regt when their baptism records state 55th regt. The only thing that I can think of is that William changed regiment. Is that possible? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! Thank you Niki Osborne from a chilly Devon ===== India Mailing List ===== Families in British India Society: http://www.fibis.org Archives for this list can be found at: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=INDIA and at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INDIA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cochin to San Pedro, California, USA 20 April 1947 Add Update Edward Charles Prout Smith 20 Apr 1947 45 Years 11 Months Male Tawali San Pedro, California Cochin m1764:115 Add Update Beryl Stella Prout Smith 20 Apr 1947 47 Years 9 Months Female Tawali San Pedro, California Cochin m1764:115 Add Update Gwendolyn Myra Prout Smith Ship:  Tawali Add Update Edward Charles Prout Smith 20 Apr 1947 45 Years 11 Months Male Tawali San Pedro, California Cochin m1764:115 Add Update Beryl Stella Prout Smith 20 Apr 1947 47 Years 9 Months Female Tawali San Pedro, California Cochin m1764:115 Add Update Gwendolyn Myra Prout Smith 115 Add Update Joseph Smith 20 Apr 1947 83 Years 4 Months Male Tawali San Pedro, California Cochin m1764:115 Add Update Edward Charles Prout Smith 20 Apr 1947 45 Years 11 Months Male Tawali San Pedro, California Cochin m1764:115 Add Update Beryl Stella Prout Smith 20 Apr 1947 47 Years 9 Months Female Tawali San Pedro, California Cochin m1764:115 Add Update Gwendolyn Myra Prout Smith Smith, Joseph 83 yrs 4 mos, born Maymyo, Retd. Dt. Supdt. Survey of India Smith, Edward Charles Prout, 45 yrs 11 mos, born Bangalore, ladies hairdresser Smith, Beryl Stella Rout, 47 yrs 9 mos, born Bolorum, dance mistress Smith, Gwendolyn Myra Prout, 36 yrs 9 months, born Coonor, dance mistress 

Hi listers, thanks to all who have been of assistance to me during my search for WILLIAM JOHN GOULD born 1835 who married and died in India. With help from other mailing lists as well as you I have been able confirm all his details , and he was indeed a Captain in the service of the Gaikwar of Baroda . I now have all his descendants down to my present grandchildren. I am now unsubscribing. Best wishes Betty

Hi Susan - many thanks for your help - the Ernest who was born in 1880 in St Michael's Penkivil in Cornwall England - is my man - he seems to have returned to England in 1906 from the USA - and other kind listers sent me information that he then went to S. Africa (where one of his brothers had emigrated) and died there in 1909.      Very many thanks to all who have help to solve this mystery !   Thelma.

Sorry to all on India list but my account was hacked into by someone in Nigeria   Another friend on same server as myself had the same problem on Saturday....Btinternet...........I must say their Tech team spent 3 hrs sorting it out and after changing passwords etc I'm OK   Sorry if you were inconvenienced   I am safe and well and don't need your money!! Cheers   Avril

Hi Niki: If his regiment was leaving India and he preferred to stay in India he would have transferred to another Regiment in India.   This was quite common among British troops especially if they had married local women. Moira Breen USA The only thing that I can think of is that William changed  regiment.  Is that possible?  Any ideas would be greatly  appreciated! Thank you Niki Osborne from a chilly Devon ===== India Mailing List ===== ________________________________ From: "NikiOsborne@aol.com" <NikiOsborne@aol.com> To: india@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, September 28, 2010 4:00:57 PM Subject: [INDIA] Molloy (Malloy)

The Blackburn family History Centre closes this friday. The centre has a set of the The India Office list, 1886-1940, I have been told that these are to be transferred to the Heidelberg Family History Centre. Mary Anne

The following films are now on permanent loan at the GSV in Melbourne Bengal wills and administrations: index to wills, 1780-1908, index to administrations 1774-1909. [film # 507804] Madras Index to wills 1780-1908 High Court of Judicature [Item 1]. Index to administrations 1780-1908 Madras (Presidency) High Court of Judicature [Item 2]. List of wills in the Bengal Public Consultations v. 1-6 [Item 3] [film# 506881] Bengal Army European soldiers: registers I-Z 1840-1850 [Item 1-2]. Bengal Army muster rolls and casualty returns 1840 (pt) [Item 3] [film #1885474] Bengal Army service details of non-commissioned officers 1858, service details of Bengal, Madras and Bombay non-commissioned officers on furlough in Europe 1859-1873 [film # 1867444 items 1-2]. Registers of Bengal Army European soldiers, registers A-K 1793-1839 L-N 1788-1839 [Items 3-4]. Registers N-Z 1788-1839 [Film #1867445 item 1]. Registers A-K 1851-1857 [Item 2]. Registers L-Z 1851-1857 A-K 1858-1860 [Film # 1867446]. Registers L-Z 1858-1860 [Film #1867447 Item 1]. Madras The Registers of European Soldiers Services -those still serving in 1831 and those recruited up to 1860 1793-1839 a-z [film # 1885890] 1840-1850 a-z [film # 1885891] 1851-1860 a-z [film # 1885892] Bombay The Registers of European Soldiers Services -those still serving in 1831 and those recruited up to 1860 Bombay 1793-1839 a-z [film # 1966380] 1840-1850 a-w [film # 1966381] 1840-1860 w-z a-z [film# 1966382] Indian Army pensioners 1896. Officers of British Army regiments in India 1806-1863. [film # 2029979] The following LDS films are on short term loan and will be at the society until early December Madras probate 1875 506914 Madras probate 1879 506916 Madras bmd 1872 521860 Mary Anne

Thelma If your Ernest Cramb was an Engineer he may have been a passenger on board the Atrato which sailed from New York bound for Southampton in Jul 1906. Mr Ernest Cramb Birth Date: abt 1880 Age: 26 Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States Arrival Date: Jul 1906 Port of Arrival: Southampton, England Ports of Voyage: Cartagena Ship Name: Atrato And if his middle name was Albert, he may be the subject of a probate record for 1909 CRAMB Ernest Albert of City Deep mine Johannesburg South Africa died January 1909 at Kensington Sanatorium Johannesburg Administration London 12 May to Alexander Charles Cramb electrical engineer. Effects £340 4s 3d. The 1881 census had an Ernest A Cramb, born abt 1880 at St M Penkivel Cornwall, at home with his parents William and Sarah Cramb, together with a number of siblings, including a brother Alexander C Cramb (RG11/2306/78/p5) at home at Leonie Fretwell Burra, South Australia lfretwell@bigpond.com www.fretwell.kangaweb.com.au  

My thanks to the list members who have offered their help with my small problem. Mary Anne

never mind - happens to the best of us, now if they could just offer some help with family tracking when they hack in.....! I never got a note for money good luck to you with your researches mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "AVRIL ANDERSON" <avrilanderson@btinternet.com> To: "India List" <india@rootsweb.com> Cc: "India List" <India-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:11 PM Subject: [INDIA] My account has been hacked into Sorry to all on India list but my account was hacked into by someone in Nigeria Another friend on same server as myself had the same problem on Saturday....Btinternet...........I must say their Tech team spent 3 hrs sorting it out and after changing passwords etc I'm OK Sorry if you were inconvenienced I am safe and well and don't need your money!! Cheers Avril ===== India Mailing List ===== Families in British India Society: http://www.fibis.org Archives for this list can be found at: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=INDIA and at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INDIA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm hoping that some knowledgeable soul will be able to help me. I'm trying to find out which regiment my ancestor was in but there seems to be conflicting information: India Records at British Library Catherine Molloy bapt 1873 Nowshera Station daughter of William and Jane Molloy Pte in HM 55 regt living in Campbellpore. John Molloy bapt 1875 Delhi son of William and Jane Molloy Pte in HM 55 regt Elizabeth Mulloy bapt 1880 daughter of William and Jane Molloy Pte in HM 59 regt Army Returns from Find My Past Catherine Molloy born 1873 Nowshera HM 30 regt Catherine Molloy born 1873 Campbellpore HM 55 regt John Molloy born 1875 Delhi HM 30 regt Elizabeth Molloy 1880 Dugshai HM 30 regt Wiki tells me that the 30 and 59 regt amalgamated in 1881 so am guessing that the army returns were updated with the new regiment number for Elizabeth, but I don't understand why both John and Catherine appear on the army returns under 30 regt when their baptism records state 55th regt. The only thing that I can think of is that William changed regiment. Is that possible? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! Thank you Niki Osborne from a chilly Devon

Hi Leonie and Allan - many thanks for the information received so far - Alexander  Charles Cramb was my father-in-law - we never got round to family research at that time - and had no idea that Ernest left the States and died in S.Africa -   where another brother Percival had emigrated.     Thank you again - and any other information would be gratefully received- is'nt this list great !!    Kind regards Thelma.

Dear Susan - would it be possible to trace a relative Ernest Cramb born in Cornwall and emigrated to the USA before the first World War ?      Have been able to trace his brothers who left England for SA -and Aust.- but not Ernest.     Any help would be much appreciated.    Regards Thelma Cramb in W Sussex.

Hello List Mary Anne said: Using familysearchlabs I found the death of an ancestor in Madras, I then looked at the probate indexes and found the corresponding reference for that person and ordered the film via the LDS film ordering service. However on viewing that film today I cannot find a trace of the copy of the document I want. I double checked my references on the probate indexes to verify that I had orderd the correct film which I have done - my ancestor is listed its just that his will/probate/administration is not to be found on the corresponding film. Any suggestions please. I have had a similar experience with a Bengal District Court will. I found it a very confusing film to follow and a lot of the images were very faint. I suspect the original pages were quite large and had been divided up into smaller sections for the film. There were hardly any page numbers. I couldn't even work out if the relevant page was missing, or it was there but so faint it couldn't be seen. Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

Using familysearchlabs I found the death of an ancestor in Madras, I then looked at the probate indexes and found the corresponding reference for that person and ordered the film via the LDS film ordering service. However on viewing that film today I cannot find a trace of the copy of the document I want. I double checked my references on the probate indexes to verify that I had orderd the correct film which I have done - my ancestor is listed its just that his will/probate/administration is not to be found on the corresponding film. Any suggestions please. Mary Anne Gourley Melbourne

1900 United States Federal Census and 1920 United States Federal Census Robert T W Smith, born Nov 1863 India, Arrival in United States 1888, Father born in England, Mother born in India Wife: Violet or Villet S Smith, born China, Arrival in United States  1890, Father born in England, Mother born "at sea" Both were Naturalized Citizens in 1894 Son: Harold Smith born California 1896 Residence : Township 5, Kelseyville, Lake County, California, United States of America

The following piece appeared in the West Briton newspaper, Truro, Cornwall, UK on 28 November 1851. I have no further information, nor any interest in the family. I purely forward it to the List in the hope that it's of use to someone. Best wishes, Tom Thompson, St Agnes, Cornwall. ---0--- West Briton & Cornwall Advertiser - 28 November 1851 SIR W. R. GILBERT - The Brevet of the Indian Army, appearing in Friday's Gazette, promotes thirty-eight Major Generals to be Lieut. Generals, and amongst the number we observe the name of Sir WALTER RALEIGH GILBERT. There are also eleven Majors promoted to be Lieut.-Colonels, and two hundred and five Captains to be Majors.

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