Hi List, Again, Thanks Cheryl for your help with the above. People from the list have been very helpful. I wonder if I could ask at all if anyone is going to the British Library could do a search for me for the marriage in India for my John Cameron. Details are John CAMERON marrying Martha WOODS in Ferozepore, India on 26th Feb 1863, that would be a great help and I would be deeply grateful. I went back to my local LDS centre and they said it would be better now to leave asking for a copy film until the New Year as the film will take a few weeks to come by which time the centre will be closed over Christmas and New Year. Kind regards Penny

Is there a list somewhere of those who died in the Indian Mutiny? Does it include an Esther FRASER, wife of John FRASER, a private in the 12th Lancers? The reason I ask is as follows: John FRASER married Esther STANBRIDGE in Canterbury registration district in the 3rd quarter of 1856. In August 1856, the 12th Lancers set off for foreign service, stationed at Secunderabad. A daughter, Esther Elizabeth, was born at sea on 18 Sep 1856 and baptized in Bangalore on 3 Feb 1857. A second daughter, Jane, was born in Secunderabad in 1857 or 1858 (aged 3 in the 1861 census). Presumably Esther died in 1857-1860, although I have not found a record of this. In the 4th quarter of 1860, John was back in England marrying Esther's sister Lemery (in Leeds registration district). In the 1861 census, John, Lemery, and the two girls were living with the 12th Lancers in barracks in Leeds. Esther could, of course, have died from natural causes, but the date is suggestive. Daniel

Hi, I am trying to locate details pertaining to an ancester - Charles Gustav Roth of German stock. He was employed in Kashmir India with the Maharaja circa 1858. He was part of the British East India Company. If you have any information, It would be appreciated. Thanking you, Karl Lobo

Hello List Bev said: Following on from earlier email questions about my ancestor in the Honorable Company Marine, cited as a Master in Bengal Pilot Service in 1819 register and also as an H C marine on both his marriage and death certificates. Does anyone have an opinion or knowledge on this career and whether this profession was recruited from the native population (i.e.those already living in India) or recruited in UK and sent to India? I'm just trying to work out whether my ancestor might have been first generation in India or whether there were earlier generations. There is evidence of boys being apprenticed to Bengal Pilots. There is mention of boys from the Military Orphan Schools (the Upper Orphan School and the Lower Orphan School) and also the Free School being apprenticed to Bengal Pilots, from the late 1700s/early 1800s. Whether they went on to become Bengal Pilots themselves, I have no idea. There is a FIBIS Fibiwiki page called "Bengal Pilot Service" http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Bengal_Pilot_Service This gives details of the holdings at the National Maritime Museum which include index cards in the Percy-Smith Collection (MS 88/006) relating to Bengal Orphans (1780-1840) One would expect these to be Orphans who were apprenticed to the Bengal Service (although it doesn't actually say this). There are also index cards in respect of Bengal Marine and Bengal Pilots (1700-1914). The Fibiwiki page "Bengal Pilot Service" also has a link to a short story by Rudyard Kipling called "An Unqualified Pilot". This is a story about a father who was a Bengal Pilot, 'who had waited on the [Hooghly] river from his boyhood', who wanted his fourteen year old son to join the Subordinate Civil Service, so the son at least was born in India, possibly also the father. The son ends up being apprenticed to another Bengal Pilot. This is an interesting read (and quite short). It was first published 1895 and set in a time 'a good many years ago' There is another FIBIS Fibiwiki page called "Maritime Service" http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Maritime_Service which has links to other websites with information about records. Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

Hello List I am researching William Alfred Bowen who was in the EIC and received a pension of £9 12s for life in 1818 and his widow Catherine (Kitty) was give a widowhood pension of £12 for life when William died in 1831. In the UK 1841 Census I have found that Catherine/Kitty was in Poplar Hospital, as a pensioner, and that in the 1851 Census she was in the East India Company Buildings, Poplar as a Pensioner East Indies Company. Can anyone tell me what the East India Company Buildings were? It obviously seems that they were for widows/widowers of the EIC but I might be wrong on that. Also, any idea when they were built and exactly where? I am also looking for information his 10 children by Catherine/Kitty: William bc 1804, St. Dunstans, StepneyJohn William b. 1806, St. DunstansMary Elizabeth b. 1808 St DunstansCatherine b. 1812 PoplarDavid Alfred b. 1815 PoplarWilliam Robert b. 1817 Poplar whom, I think, married a Mary Templeton in 1852 in Stratford Bow, and was also a MarinerThomas James b. 1820 PoplarMary Rebecca b. 1823 Poplar whom, I think, married a John Edward Biggs in 1845 in Aldgate. Biggs was also a MarinerAbel b. 1825 Poplar, Commander of the River Boat Chumbol on the Hoogly in Calcutta, died in 1868 Calcutta/Chandenagore and was my great grandfatherFrederick William b. 1828 Poplar I am pretty sure that William Alfred's parents were a William and Mary and that they had another son Thomas b. 1775 St. Dunstans, Stepney, as was William Alfred in 1772. If anyone can help me on any of these facts I would be extremely grateful. RegardsSimon Bowen

Hi List, Thank you so much Maureen and Noel for your information and help. I will now send for the films from the LDS. I didn't know that you could order them online, that is why we went to the centre itself. One more thing could anyone tell me please, does the British Library have actual copies on microfilm of Baptisms, Marriages and Burials please? Many Thanks again, Penny

Hi Les Thanks for your reply. I wonder if your Lovedale records have details of my grandfather, Joseph Richard Montgomery's school progress (academic &/or sport)-he was admitted to the school on 24/05/1889 with dob of 22/12/1882.Would like to know, please. This is a shot in the dark-Douglas Neale born about 1950 so admitted about 1957-any details about him, only if it's not too time consuming, please. TIA Regards. Herbie

On 11/11/2010 17:12, Beverley Jarvis-Pearson wrote: > Hi List, > Following on from earlier email questions about my ancestor in the Honorable Company Marine, cited as a Master in Bengal Pilot Service in 1819 register and also as an H C marine on both his marriage and death certificates. > > Does anyone have an opinion or knowledge on this career and whether this profession was recruited from the native population (i.e.those already living in India) or recruited in UK and sent to India? > > I'm just trying to work out whether my ancestor might have been first generation in India or whether there were earlier generations. > Thanks > Bev > Bev I think it quite likely that he went out from England. I have been through the entry papers of about 600 Bombay Marine and Bengal Pilots and almost without exception they were sent out from London. There were perhaps less than 10 already in India, transferring across from other services. This was noted in the record, as normally they would have specified the ship the new recruit travelled out on. HTH Simon.

I absolutely agree with Maureen on this one. For the key people in your family tree it is very advisable to look at a film or other facsimile copy of the original record. Transcriptions quite often omit information on the original - such as occupations, ages, actual dates of birth and death, notes in the margin, etc. - and may in fact be completely wrong. Looking at the original also allows you to look at the rest of the page and all the entries for that particular year, and that can sometimes throw up completely unexpected and important information on people other than your ancestor, such as work colleagues etc. Best wishes, Noel

Seeking birth details of 3 children born Bangalore 1912 to 1915.  Have parents marriage details from familysearch beta, also mother's death in Bangalore. Also want army service records of one of the children but we can't get them because we don't have a date of birth. Any suggestions please?

On 11/11/2010 16:34, Beverley Jarvis-Pearson wrote: > > > > > Hi List, > I wonder if anyone has experience of looking at the L/MAR records at the British Library? > I'm wondering whether these records/documents make any mention of individuals/employees. > > I'm looking for information on my 4G Grandfather who was a Master in the HC Marine/ Bengal Pilot service but I'm unsure these records will include this information?? > I am wondering whether to make a visit tomorrow, so advice before then would be great :o) > Dear Bev I hope this catches you in time. I have a partial index to pilots in the marine records. If you can tell me the name and approximate dates you are interested in I can tell you if I have anything. I will be coming to the FIBIS meeting so please look me up if you are there too. Regards, Simon.

Hi Olga, I know some years ago you responded to my emails to the list as I seem to remember you have the ELLISON name in yr tree too? If so, maybe there is a connection somewhere, as my ancestor on recent posts was also a member or the Marine Board and an HC Marine who also married 1806. Good luck with further research on the names you mention. Bev > From: olga.bedford@mypostoffice.co.uk > To: india@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:52:38 +0000 > Subject: [INDIA] Langtry/D'Souza/Middleton/Weymss/D'Cruz > > I never appear to have any luck,with my Names, but nevertheless am trying again. > > My 3 xGr grandmother was Dorinda Doucett before she married Henry Cornelius of the HC Marine Board in 1806. > > Whilst I have alot of names & marriages connected to her & Henry, ie, Cornelius; Davis; Philippe; Nauzais; Freitas. there are still missing links. > > So if anyone has the above names would appreciate hearing from you. > > Many Thanks > Olga > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > ===== India Mailing List ===== > > Families in British India Society: http://www.fibis.org > > > Archives for this list can be found at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=INDIA > and at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INDIA > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I never appear to have any luck,with my Names, but nevertheless am trying again. My 3 xGr grandmother was Dorinda Doucett before she married Henry Cornelius of the HC Marine Board in 1806. Whilst I have alot of names & marriages connected to her & Henry, ie, Cornelius; Davis; Philippe; Nauzais; Freitas. there are still missing links. So if anyone has the above names would appreciate hearing from you. Many Thanks Olga ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

Bev wrote: > I wonder if anyone has experience of looking at the L/MAR records at the > British Library? > I'm wondering whether these records/documents make any mention of > individuals/employees. > > I'm looking for information on my 4G Grandfather who was a Master in the > HC Marine/ Bengal Pilot service but I'm unsure these records will include > this information?? > I am wondering whether to make a visit tomorrow, so advice before then > would be great :o) > Yes, there are wide ranges of records within the L/MAR series at the British Library giving details of what you are seeking. You might ask the helpful staff behind the Information Desk to show you a copy of "Baxter's Guide" and point you in the right direction. Baxter's Guide has several pages describing the records of employees in various capacities. If you decide to go there on Saturday, you might like to call in the morning to the FIBIS 'Surgery' where an expert will be pleased to explain how to find what you want. This is to be held at the Hughes-Parry Hall in Cartwright Gardens, 5 minutes walk from BL. (Details on our web-site - www.fibis.org ) Good Hunting! Peter Bailey Chairman Families in British India Society www.fibis.org

Hi List, Following on from earlier email questions about my ancestor in the Honorable Company Marine, cited as a Master in Bengal Pilot Service in 1819 register and also as an H C marine on both his marriage and death certificates. Does anyone have an opinion or knowledge on this career and whether this profession was recruited from the native population (i.e.those already living in India) or recruited in UK and sent to India? I'm just trying to work out whether my ancestor might have been first generation in India or whether there were earlier generations. Thanks Bev

Hi List, I wonder if anyone has experience of looking at the L/MAR records at the British Library? I'm wondering whether these records/documents make any mention of individuals/employees. I'm looking for information on my 4G Grandfather who was a Master in the HC Marine/ Bengal Pilot service but I'm unsure these records will include this information?? I am wondering whether to make a visit tomorrow, so advice before then would be great :o) I also understand the Caird Library at the National Maritime Museum holds index cards for Marine's during this period and may/may not have information. Again other listers advice/experience and comments are welcome before I head there (which won't be tomorrow, as the Museum is closed on Fridays & Mondays...typical as I have holiday booked for Fridays and Mondays!!) Thanks Bev

Hello List Penny said: I have been trying to search for John CAMERON b. 1841 Scotland d. 1927 Maymyo, Maynmar and his family in India. I have had loads of luck with Ecclesiastical records on the family search site https://beta.familysearch.org so armed with my film numbers I went along to the Family Records Centre to request copies of the films, all 25 of them. However they now cost £7.50 per film and as the very helpful person in the centre told me the records won’t tell me anything more than the transcribed records on the web site. So I have decided that I won’t go down that road I will make do with the copies of records off the site. Some fo the records are confirmed on the FIBIS site so I think I will be happy with that information. However I still have a query...The details are John Cameron was supposed to be a Doctor in the Welsh Fusiliers. I don't think it is correct for the Family History Centre to say the original records will have no additional information. For instance in a baptism, the records will usually give information about the father's occupation, and if he is in the Army, will usually give the rank and regiment. This information is very rarely given on the beta or pilot Family Search records, other websites may have more information if they have the same record. However, it sounds as if Penny does not have this information. So if Penny has any baptismal records where John Cameron is the father, or a recent marriage record of John Cameron, I would at least look at the microfilm at the latest date available to see what it says about his Army rank and Regiment. If he was an Apothecary, which from 1894 were called Assistant Surgeons, it would be expected that this information would be shown. However,, the majority of Apothecaries/Assistant Surgeons were born in India. The earlier he arrived in India, the lower the probability he would be an Apothecary, as in the earlier days virtually all Apothecaries were born in India. For more information about Apothecaries, see the FIBIS Fibiwiki page Apothecary http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Apothecary The FIBIS Fibiwiki page "Family History Centres" http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Family_History_Centres gives information about a photocopy service which may be cheaper than ordering microfilms in some circumstances. However, you do need to have the British Library IOR Volume and page Number reference, and only some ( a few? ) of the records from the beta or pilot Family Search site actually quote this reference. Perhaps the Family History Centre which Penny attended may have the index volumes on site and could give the appropriate reference. You can search to see the microfilms on site at the London LDS Centre. (Link in the Fibiwiki page) Cheers Maureen

Hello List Chris said: I have tried to find these records as I think my great grandfather attended the school but am unable to find them on the schools website. Old Sanawarians requires a user name and password. Any Help appreciated I found the records using the links which are now in the FIBIS Fibiwiki page, "Lawrence Military Asylum" http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Lawrence_Military_Asylum, in the section "Lawrence School, Sanawar". At no stage was I required to enter a password. Originally they were difficult to find as they were under headings which I wouldn't have expected, but this is set out in the FIBIS Fibiwiki page, and the actual links given. Cheers Maureen

> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 23:22:55 +0000 > From: he.long@btinternet.com > To: india@rootsweb.com > Subject: [INDIA] Lawrence School > Hi Herbie,, I have a copy of the Lovedale register and am willing to do look up if you give me names and approximate dates....................? if you know them........... Les > Hi Listers > Would there be any records on line for Lawrence School, Lovedale > (Nilgiris), similar to those of the Sanawar School? > TIA > Regards. > Herbie > ===== India Mailing List ===== > > Families in British India Society: http://www.fibis.org > > > Archives for this list can be found at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=INDIA > and at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INDIA > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List, I have been trying to search for John CAMERON b. 1841 Scotland d. 1927 Maymyo, Maynmar and his family in India. I have had loads of luck with Ecclesiastical records on the family search site https://beta.familysearch.org so armed with my film numbers I went along to the Family Records Centre to request copies of the films, all 25 of them. However they now cost £7.50 per film and as the very helpful person in the centre told me the records won’t tell me anything more than the transcribed records on the web site. So I have decided that I won’t go down that road I will make do with the copies of records off the site. Some fo the records are confirmed on the FIBIS site so I think I will be happy with that information. However I still have a query...The details are John Cameron was supposed to be a Doctor in the Welsh Fusiliers but with all the help people have given me from the Bengal Medical lists etc. we cannot find him. His granddaughter recalled that he had a full military funeral in Maymyo when he died in 1927. We are thinking that he may have been an apothecary and not a medical Doctor as he cannot be found on Ancestry’s site either. Can anyone help me please how can I find out about the Military Funeral. Thank You Penny