Hello List, Recently through the kind help of a fellow list member, I have obtained more information concerning the children of my Gt.Gt.Grandfather Edmund Burke Ryan (second marriage) to Susan Lydia Rutledge. Edmund was the eldest son of Sir Edward and Lady Louisa Ryan. Sir Edward was Chief Justice of Bengal. They returned to England in 1843/44. The eldest son of Edmund and Susan was, Henry Edmund Ryan (1845-1923). Died aged 77, but I do not have details as to where he died, nor where Maria his wife died, possibly Calcutta. He married a Maria Elizabeth Bell (widow) who was a daughter of John FLOOD. Is anybody researching FLOOD? Anybody researching RUTLEDGE? Children of Edmund Burke Ryan and Susan Lydia Rutledge/Ryan. These may not be in the right order, but this is the best I can do. Hope this helps others who are working on the Ryan family tree. 1. Henry Edmund Ryan b. 21.12.1845/6. Place. Presume Calcutta. Bengal. Bapt. St. Paul¹s Cathedral. Calcutta. Henry died 1923. Aged 77. Married Maria Elizabeth Bell (Widow) Born 1842 ­ d. 1880. Her maiden name was Flood. Father ­ John Flood. Married at Allahabad. 8.8.1871. Bengal. India. (My Gt.Grandparents) They had just one daughter Mabel Amy Ryan.(My Grandma) Other Children of Edmund and Susan. 1. Charles William Ryan b. 07 Sept. 1875. Calcutta. Bapt. Calcutta. 08 June 1879. Died 24/12/1891. Aged 39 2. Eleanor Harriet Ryan b. 18 Apr. 1877. Bapt. 08 June 1877 3. Lillian Ida Ryan b. 9 May 1878. Bapt. 08 June 1879. Calcutta. 4. Wilmot Leton Ryan b. 20 May1880. Bapt. Dinapore. Bengal 30 Jan 1881. 5. Vivian Hope Ryan b. 26 Nov. 1881. Bapt. Dinapore. Bengal 01 Jan 1882. 6. George Granville Ryan b. 9 Aug. 1883 Bapt. Calcutta 4 Apr. 1884. He married Adele Isabella Green in Calcutta 6/5/1905. Ch. of the above. May Ellen Mira Ryan born 1915 Married Bertram Aloysius Stockman at Kidderpore on 11/2/1931 Mercy Grace J. Ryan born 1870 Married Edward Alexander Cornelius Johnstone in Jhansi on 5/101888. Father George Ryan. Mother Harriet? 7. Ethel Margaret Ryan b. 19 Feb. 1885 Bapt. Calcutta 12 Jan 1887. 8. Eric Stanley Ryan b. 11 Nov. 1886. Bapt. Calcutta 12 Jan 1887. 9. Charles Wilberforce Ryan He married Myra Gertrude Kerr on 18/11/1895. 10. Charles Cecil Ryan He married Ethel Adelaide Carter on 20/9/1927 Father Charles William Ryan ­ Mother Myra Gertrude??? May Ellen Mira Ryan born 1915 Married Bertram Aloysius Stockman at Kidderpore on 11/2/1931 1. George Augustus Ryan b23.9.1848. or 4/7/1858 Bapt. 26 Sept. 1858. Married Julia Vieux on 12/10/1877 in Calcutta. Children 4. Ellen Harriet Mary Ryan. b. 23.9.1849. Bapt. Dum Dum., Bengal 16 Jan 1851 Married ­ Aged 17 yrs. 30 Mar 1867 to Charles Ross son of John Richard Ross. Charles Died 6 `Oct. 1894 buried in the same grave as Edmund Burke Ryan his father in law, at the Lower Circular Road, Cemetery. Calcutta (Plot 19 2 e 18 North.) Have reason to believe the Charles Ross was a solicitor. Mercy Grace Josephine Ryan b. 1870 1. Charles William Ryan b. 4.4.1847 ­ Calcutta. Bapt. 27 Feb. 1848/ Calcutta. Died ??? Married Eleanor Harriet ? Date/ Happy hunting, Geoffrey C, Ryan Williams.

Hello List Mark said: This is a repeat of an inquiry last July. Information please on Alice Edith Campbell. She was married in Bombay 2 August 1879 to Surgeon Patrick Joseph O'Sullivan of the Army Medical Service. It's not stated where Mark obtained his information about Surgeon O Sullivan, but as it appears he was in the British Army Royal Army Medical Corps (as opposed to the Indian Medical Service), has Mark investigated his service record which should be at the National Archives Kew if he satisfied the conditions for a discharge (mainly that he didn't die in service)? A discharge record may have details of marriages, deaths etc. I was looking at a soldier's discharge record recently (on Find my Past, WO 97 records) and it had full details of marriage, baptism of children and some details of the death of one of the children, so the officer's records may have the same information. However the officers' records are not on Find My Past The FIBIS Fibiwiki page "Doctor" http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Doctor has a short section on the Royal Army Medical Corps. Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

This is a repeat of an inquiry last July. Information please on Alice Edith Campbell. She was married in Bombay 2 August 1879 to Surgeon Patrick Joseph O'Sullivan of the Army Medical Service. Surg. O'Sullivan was shortly thereafter stationed at Peshawar, Murree and Rawalpindi. He was posted back to Aldershot between 27 December 1883 and 9 March 1886, after which he returned to India; between January and July 1887 he was temporarily sent to take charge of the British General Hospital Burmah in Rangoon; between 22 August 1887 and 21 February 1888 he was transferred back to the UK sick, and then returned once more to India. Alice Edith must have died by 1889, when he remarried in Lahore. She may have been known as Edith, and born in Cornwall, as there is family tradition of this. I cannot find her christening or funeral in the ecclesiastical records in the BL APAC (India Office) collection, nor anyone of that name for appropriate years in the England & Wales records either of births in Cornwall, or of deaths. Campbell itself may have been a married name. A married Edith Campbell appears in the 1871 census, aged 22 and born in St Agnes Cornwall, and living in Godalming - suggestively close to the Aldershot army base. There is also an Edith Perry, aged 12, born in "Cornwall", in the 1861 census at Woodville House, Ilfracombe, with her family (headed by an aunt, Mary Ann Dymock, a clergyman's widow); and an Edith Adelaide Perry aged 3, daughter of a clergyman in St Agnes, Cornwall, in the 1851 census. Has anyone come across an Edith O'Sullivan between August 1879 and December 1888, or an Edith Campbell between 1864 and 1879, or an Edith Perry between 1848 and 1879? Mark O'Sullivan Somerset

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gtsaviel Surnames: SAVIEL, WILLIAMS Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2558/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I would like to know the parents of Mary Saviel who married George Williams in about 1829 in India. I would like to know if anyone have information on them and their family's in India. Let me know at gtsaviel@gmail.com. Yoursfaithfully, George T Saviel 27 November 2010 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Maureen, Jill said: snip >>and wondered if anyone is related or researching the family of William and Cecelia DICKINS? Family hearsay says William Dickins was a doctor <<< Thank you for your reply, and help with those sites, my contact will be very pleased to have those leads, and maybe find some more children of this couple. Best wishes, Jill

Following the interesting voyages to and from India theme..................... In the Raj tradition of children been sent to school in England , provided their parents could afford it. My Uncle Harry, sailed to England circa 1911 and walked 8 miles a day from his Grandfather's home to Dulwhich College in Surrey. My father's last known school attendance in India, was at Cathedral Boys High School (Boys), Bombay in 1915. Has he too was sent to Prices boarding School, in England,he presumably sailed in a convoy, across the war torn seas of 1916 to England. However, I have been unable to find either my father, or uncles name on any shipping intelligence for those years? Perhaps some one could suggest a reason, or a reliable source of passenger lists for that period?? Cheers J & C Wellborne

Many thanks to Valmay for the Fibis newsfeed about the cemetery and for providing a link to the website with an update to the 1st September notice, dated 15 September. As I could not get an English language version of this on their site (even though I clicked on 'English'), I copied the Malay language text into the Google translator. For those of you who don't get the Fibis Newsfeed and are totally mystified, the info including the original notice is here http://www.mppp.gov.my/296 . Malay to English translation "Persons NOTICE TO RIGHTS AND PERSONAL WITH Burial Representatives AND / OR FAMILY MEMBERS OF THE RIGHTS OF Burial deceased Buried Cemetery CHRISTIAN ROAD AT WESTERN, JKT (TO UPDATE THE REGISTER OF THE MUNICIPAL COUNCIL OF PENANG) Council referred to in the notice published on September 1, 2010 and would like to inform you that the Council is in the process of updating the records of the burial site registration. Council to make publicity to people interested in this notice seeks to trace heirs who have purchased burial plots as early as 1809an to update such information * Current address of the beneficiary * The next of kin by telephone or e-mail and other for the purpose of improving the management of burial sites. The Council is also planning to upgrade the environment of the cemetery to look more organized and neat. In addition, the Council also intends to replace the damaged fence, and landscaping mencahayakan cemetery is so interesting. The Council wishes to clarify that there are many requests from people to buy / rent a vacant plots at the cemetery site and the demand for vacant plots were high, while vacancies are limited. For the record, there are plots that have been purchased but not used until now. With the publication of this notice, the Council would like to inform you that there are a lot of feedback from the public. The Council does not intend to take the plots which were sold for reuse, whether rented or sold to another party. Notice is hereby extended until all information has been obtained. Thank you. Issued by: Public Relations Division, Municipal Council of Penang Island" Cheers, Sylvia PS: I have no particular interest in or connection to this cemetery.

Hello List Jill said: I've received an email from someone who is interested in finding out their India connections, and wondered if anyone is related or researching the family of William and Cecelia DICKINS? My email contact is related through one of their daughters, Sophia. I believe William remarried and had other children. My contact writes to me:-snip>>"Sophia is fairly convincingly the daughter of William and Cecelia. Family hearsay says William Dickins was a doctor Of the other children I noticed on the LDS beta site (there may be others): Name William Farburgh Dickens Gender Male Baptism/Christening Date 08 Aug 1843 Baptism/Christening Place Bangalore, Madras, India Birth Date 04 Jun 1843 Father's Name William Dickens Mother's Name Cecilia Indexing Project (Batch) Number C00067-7 System Origin India-EASy Source Film Number 521843 Reference Number v 21 p 339 The LDS microfilm should have the father's occupation. Looking in "Online Directories" on the FIBIs Fibiwki website, I could not find a William Dickens as a surgeon. However there was a William Dickins in the Madras Apothecary listing which could possibly be the same person. More details FIBIS Fibiwki Apothecary http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Apothecary http://books.google.com/books?id=ahe1AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA232 http://books.google.com/books?id=ahe1AAAAIAAJ&pg=PR18 Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

Hi everyone, I've received an email from someone who is interested in finding out their India connections, and wondered if anyone is related or researching the family of William and Cecelia DICKINS? My email contact is related through one of their daughters, Sophia. I believe William remarried and had other children. My contact writes to me:- snip>>"Sophia is fairly convincingly the daughter of William and Cecelia. Family hearsay says William Dickins was a doctor and they also had something to do with sugar mills in India. Do you happen to know if the Dickins family was Indian/Anglo Indian as in the one photo I have of Sophia she certainly could be Anglo Indian." There are other children:- 1 F Mary Ann Cecelia Dickins Born: 1840 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 M William Farburgh Dickins Born: 1843 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3 M Albert Ernest Alfred Clark Dickins Born: 1844 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4 F Thelma Augusta Victoria Dickins Born: 1846 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5 M Charles John Dickins Born: 1853 6 F Juliana Angelina Dickins Born: 1857---------------- 7 F Alice Gertrude Dickins Born: Cir 1860 If anyone is researching this family, or can give me a clue as to where to look for proof of William's Medical Profession,or anything to do with sugarmills, I would be must appreciative. The era would be around the 1840-1870. Many thanks, Jill

The following announcement appeared in the West Briton newspaper, Truro, Cornwall, UK on 6 August 1852. I have no further information, nor any interest in the family. I purely forward it to the List in the hope that it's of use to someone. Best wishes, Tom Thompson, St Agnes, Cornwall. ---0--- West Briton & Cornwall Advertiser - 6 August 1852 Marriages At Plymouth, on Monday last, ALEXANDER BURN, Esq., M. D., surgeon, H.E.I.C.S., to CORDELIA, youngest daughter of Mr. EDWARD DUNN, of Mevagissey.

Hello List David said: Could someone on the List give me some information on Washermanpettah, Madras. It is where one of my relations, Israel Jedidiah Skinner was buried in 1877? He was a Clerk at the Customs House in Rangoon in 1873. For some unknown reason he took his family back to Madras. Wikipedia has a short article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Washermenpet Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

Dear Tom, Thank you so much for your continued postings from West Briton newspaper. With your G.L.JAMES posting I learned two things: where the JAMES clan hail from (which is very ironic given my mother's mother's clan hail from Helston too) and that G.L's father is also Indian Army - yippee! Kind regards Robin

You might also be interested in a novel, The Piano Tuner by Daniel Mason published in 2003 by Picador, ISBN 0-330-49269-1. Although, as I say, a novel, I imagine it is based on some basic facts and covers the exploits of a piano tuner sent from London to Burma in 1886 on a special mission, but which seems a bit far-fetched at times! His journey through the Mediterranean and the Suez Canal to Bombay, and then by train to Calcutta is described. It is sometime since I read it, so I'm not up to speed on the full story, but hopefully it may be of interest. Best wishes, Tom Thompson, St Agnes.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lambuisman Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2557.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Tthank you. I don't know anything about Mary Jane's father except what's on her marriage cert. in 1886. His name William John Bennett, occupation painter. The odd thing is, that the occupation of the groom's father, William Foulkes, was "Soldier". Not impossible, but I have seen so many strange things on certificates by now, it wouldn't surprise me if something had gotten mixed up. The 1881 Census I have seen. There was a birth in Poona (IGI again) in 1867 of a Mary Ann Bennett. But her father was a Timothy. Another one in 1866, father Henry. Elizabeth Begley's father was William Bennett. So I have a feeling this Mary Ann was a mistake, and was in fact Mary Jane. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Could someone on the List give me some information on Washermanpettah, Madras. It is where one of my relations, Israel Jedidiah Skinner was buried in 1877? He was a Clerk at the Customs House in Rangoon in 1873. For some unknown reason he took his family back to Madras. Thank you, David Cornelius

Robin, Thank you. It's nice to get some feedback and I'm glad I was able to help. Best wishes, Tom Thompson.

Hello List, I am looking for information about my grandfather Ernest Abbott, born Nov. 28, 1875 in Mozufferpore, Bengal. His parents were Harry Edwin Abbott and Julia Ellen ( maiden name Vipan). Ernest married Constance Helen --- I need to get a record of marriage so I know what Constance's maiden name was; so far I have hit a brick wall. If anyone can give me an idea where to look, or is researching this side of the Abbott family, I would be most grateful. Shirley Barbur

Hello List: *Frances said: Has anyone on the list ever come across an account, diary, memoir, even a historical novel, that describes what people did during those long voyages? I am particularly interested in the period 1790-1810, and to be very precise, would like to know what children did on their way to England to pass the time. But any tip will be useful. * I had interested myself in this area of British India travel when I was researching on my book:* "A match made at Madras:Margaret Maskelyne: [1735 -1817]: Lady Clive : Her life and times" *and found myself immersed not only in this form of sea travel but also in the life on board these ships that Margaret Lady Clive would have used: I found the following books and documents useful in the building up of a picture. I do not have the exact period required by you but here it is anyway: !: Jean Sutton: The memoirs of Wiliam Hickey[London: Hurst and Blackell] 1913 - 25, 4 vols, 1925: "Lords of the east : the East India Company and its ships": 1981: ISBN: 0851777864 2: Russel Miller and te Editors of Time Life Books: The east Indiamen"1980 3: John Borthwick Gilcrisit, East India Vademecum. Digest of the work of capt Williamson,Lodon Kingsbury, Parbury and Allen,1825 4: Annabel Venning: Follwoing the Drum: The live of Army Wives and Daughters: Pastand Presnt: Headline: 2005 pag 40 and 39 With regards John. Prof. Dr. John A.Thomas,

Hello List Frances said: Has anyone on the list ever come across an account, diary, memoir, even a historical novel, that describes what people did during those long voyages? I am particularly interested in the period 1790-1810, and to be very precise, would like to know what children did on their way to England to pass the time. But any tip will be useful. The FIBIS Fibiwiki page Society Reading List http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Society_reading_list , section Women and Children details a book called Children of the Raj by Vyvyen Brendon 2006, although it may cover a later period than Frances is interested in. I have not read this book myself, but this link http://www.shelfari.com/books/1269733/Children-of-the-Raj does mention sea voyages: Drawing on memoirs, journals, and oral testimonies, Children of the Raj conjures up the brilliant scenes and exotic atmosphere of the Indian Raj through the rich narratives of the children themselves. Here, too, are accounts of journeys across perilous seas and the heartache of long family separations, as children were banished to chilly British boarding schools and grim holiday homes. Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

Frances wrote > Has anyone on the list ever come across an account, diary, memoir, even a historical novel, that describes what people did during those long voyages? I am particularly interested in the period 1790-1810, and to be very precise, would like to know what children did on their way to England to pass the time. But any tip will be useful. This is NOT precisely what you asked for, but I supply anyway - it is an account of a journey on a sailer from UK to New Zealand in 1849 http://fachefiles.tripod.com/id14.html Here is another - the John Wickliffe 1847 from UK to New Zealand. You will need to scroll through for some time to read this account, but there are many other interesting urls given within the script found at this web site. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzbound/diaries.htm#Otago Happy reading Gail Riddell (Te Kohanga) Skype: karleykat Home phone: +64 9 232 8440 Cellphone: +64 21 961 478 reply to: grid2@wc.net.nz