Hi List, I've been advised by a fellow researcher that the book below contains a written account of my ancestors escape/actions during the Indian Mutiny. Fatehgarh and the mutiny by F. R Cosens; 1 edition; First published in 1933. I would love to access/read this book but on searching the listings I have found suggest I can:- Buy it from Amazon for £100 (not a feasible option at present...unfortunately) Gain library access in Michigan, Minnesota & Central Library AIOU Islamabad! I am in the UK :( Any other suggestions?? Thanks Bev (Reasearching India Family Names: ELLISON, ROBBINS, HINE, BERESFORD, BLYTH, MADDEN, NAVIN & REA)

Hello List Sylvia said: Only recently I discovered Mark Steevens' list of people who were on the trek out of Burma in 1942 and that W S Thom, a wife and 2 children were included in this, on their way to Dehra Dun. Incidentally, W S Thom is best known for a book he co-authored in 1900 on Wild Sports of Burma and Assam. Mark Steevens' list is included in the FIBIS Fibiwiki page Burma, under the link called "Trek Out of Burma Google Group". There are also other links under the heading "Trek Out of Burma in 1942" together with an online book called "Songs of The Survivors" http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Burma There is also a link for the book "Wild Sports of Burma and Assam" Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

Thanks for bringing this to our attention Maureen. I have been trying to help someone find out what happened to his grandfather, William Sinclair THOM who was a Superintendent with the Indian Police, and retired to Kalaw in Burma. Only recently I discovered Mark Steevens' list of people who were on the trek out of Burma in 1942 and that W S Thom, a wife and 2 children were included in this, on their way to Dehra Dun. I will bring this video to the attention of the person concerned next time I see him. In the meantime, if anyone knows anything of William Sinclair Thom after 1942, I would be pleased to hear of it. Incidentally, W S Thom is best known for a book he co-authored in 1900 on Wild Sports of Burma and Assam. Sylvia > -----Original Message----- > From: Maureen Evers [mailto:maureen.evers@bigpond.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:05 PM > To: india@rootsweb.com > Subject: [INDIA] Burma 1942 > > > Listers may be interested in the webpage called "The > Elephant Man" which is about the rescue of refugees fleeing > Burma in 1942 by Gyles Mackrell, an Assam tea planter. He > mounted an operation to save refugees who were trapped by > flooded rivers at the border with India using the only means > available to get them across - elephants. Includes YouTube > film clip from the Centre of South Asian Studies, Cambridge. > > > http://www.admin.cam.ac.uk/news/dp/2010110101 or > http://tinyurl.com/39krcxc > > > Cheers > > Maureen (Sydney)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gen_robin Surnames: HAY, SEWELL, CLARKE, DASHWOOD Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2552.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Regarding your request for help in discovering the identity of the birth mother of Margaret Susannah Hay, I'm afraid I do not have any 'new' information. I still have her listed as "Unknown lady". All I can really do is confirm that Margaret Susannah could not have been the daughter of Patrick Martin Hay's only known wife, Mary Susan née Clarke - as Mary Susan could have been only been about nine or ten years old when Margaret was born! This is based on the 1861 census showing "Mary Currie" (after she had married a second time in 1847 to Isaac George Currie - but in 1861 his widow lodging with her daughter Augusta Lawrence) aged 59 born (abt. 1802) in Bengal East Indies and on the 1871 census record showing "Mary Susan Currie" (then residing with her son Robert Bryce Hay) aged 69 born in Bengal. It also appears she was likely christened 13 Nov 1803 at Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, London - father: "RICHD CLARKE" and mother: 'MARY ELIZTH" (IGI). And all my searches for a reference to the birth mother of Margaret Susannah have so far proved fruitless. The IGI just gives her father as: "LIEUT HAY" and a birth date of 22 Jul 1811 and a christening on 23 Dec 1813 in Cawnpore, West Bengal. I have not looked at either of the FHL films that are the sources for these - but I suspect they do not give any more information. When I was in Madras some years ago and went to check the parish (St Mary's Fort Saint George) records on their computer, I could see it was very common to only mention the father. It was also not so unusual for some of these fathers to have neglected to register or otherwise formalize their first 'marriages' (or liaisons) with the mothers of some of their children. I know of at least three such situations within my own family researches, including this one in question. The other two are not so distantly related - through Margaret Susannah's paternal grandmother's Dashwood family. So I fear we may not have too much luck in identifying Margaret Susannah's birth mother. I have found nothing on FIBIS beyond the reference to a bond dated 3 May 1826 for Miss Marg't S. Hay and Mrs Mary Hay - both passengers in the Bengal Presidency. Though she does not appear to have been with her father, "Capt. P.M. Hay" of the "Bengal Establishment" and his wife on board the Asia, which arrived at Calcutta, Bengal from England in June of 1820. At least she is not listed on that FIBIS record from the entries in: "Arrivals from the Bengal Almanac, Bengal Directory, Calcutta Annual Register, Calcutta Directory and Calcutta Calendar 1817-1822, 1824". Furthermore she is not listed as having accompanied her father, "Lieut. P. Hay of the 9th Regt. N.I." on board the Castle Huntley which departed Calcutta for an unspecified destination in February 1813. Though there was a Miss Charlotte Hay - a "child" on board as well. No clue to any possible connection however. [There was a "Mrs Hay", who arrived at Calcutta in that same February 1813 on board the Inglis - but she may well have been the wife of its captain, whose last name was also Hay!] Neither did Margaret Susannah accompany her father (or another "Lieut. Hay") to Calcutta from England in August of 1816 on board the Phoenix. And she is not listed as having accompanied him (without a doubt her father),"Lieut. Hay of the 28th Regt. N.I." on board the same Phoenix which departed from Calcutta in December 1816 for Europe. Nor was there any likely lady companion with him - on either of these voyages. And that's all I've found of any possibly relevant toings and froings. Apart from an arrival at Madras from England on July 7th, 1813 for a Clarke family viz: 'R. Clarke Esq.", "Mrs Mary Clarke" and "Miss Mary Clarke", which may or may not be Major Richard Clarke, of the Bengal cavalry, with his wife Mary Elizabeth (née Porter) and their daughter, Mary Susan. All of this, I'm afraid, is more negative information than positive - in the search for the identity of the mother of Margaret Susannah Sewell (née Hay). As for the rest of the families you mention, I do have quite a bit of information on both Patrick Martin Hay and his father Patrick Hay, who was married to Sarah Dashwood, and their related family connections. But you may well have as much or more information on these as I do. I do not know of any diaries or correspondence, family books etc that may shed further light. But if you would like to compare notes on any of the Hay, Sewell and Clarke connections, I would be happy to do so. My own family connection is through the Dashwoods - many of whom spent signifacant time in India (in both the Madras and Bengal presidencies). And if you are also interested in information on Sarah Dashwood and her siblings, parents etc, I would be happy to pass on whatever I have to you. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

While on the subject of the Burma Road, there happens to be an excellent book with the same title:  "The Burma Road" by Donovan Webster.  ISBN 0-06-074638-6.    To wet your interest, here are two very brief selections:    "When I met them at their reunions and in their homes, the Old Soldiers warm me not even to go looking. To a man, every one of them believes the road they hacked across India's steep Himalayan passes and down through the steaming jungles of Burma into China during World War II has disappeared, destroyed by time.  ...........But now, step after stem-and in the cool of a mid-January morning, my feet are moving up the same gravel pike the Old Soldiers have cautioned me about.......... The jungle was everywhere.  Its vines grabbed their ankles as they walked.  Its steamy heat sapped their strength.  And every time they reached the summit of yet another six-thousand-foot mountain, they could only stare across the quilted green rain forest below.........They were a ragged line of 114 tired and hungry people-Americans, British, Indians and Burmese:  civilians and soldiers alike-and they were now on the run from several thousand Japanese troops that were clawing through the jungle after them, only fifteen or twenty miles behind. The year was 1942......... A recommended read for any one. Kerrie Farmer way over here in the cold blue mountains of western North Carolina...

Listers may be interested in the webpage called "The Elephant Man" which is about the rescue of refugees fleeing Burma in 1942 by Gyles Mackrell, an Assam tea planter. He mounted an operation to save refugees who were trapped by flooded rivers at the border with India using the only means available to get them across - elephants. Includes YouTube film clip from the Centre of South Asian Studies, Cambridge. http://www.admin.cam.ac.uk/news/dp/2010110101 or http://tinyurl.com/39krcxc Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

I am continiuing my search for the background of Charles Hupping - full name Charles Francis Joseph Hupping. He gave his father's name as Francis Joseph Hupping, but I have been unable to find the birth records of either. His daughter Charlotte Hupping (born 18 Oct 1973, m. Victor Rodrigues 1893) maintained that she was of Dutch origin. The name itself is uncommon in India, in that I have not found any others of this name, apart from the descendents of Charles. Searching through the Beta Search on line has uncovered several variations in spelling, all ultitmately traceable back to Charles. He married twice, and so far I have found 17 children! Although Charlotte always claimed she was Dutch, my Dutch son in law maintains that the name is of German origin! Anyone out there with a Hupping in their tree? Rosemary Taylor

This is my first posting after several years being off list, so please bear with me if the topic has already been covered. I am searching for TAYLOR and PEREIRA. HAve got af far back as Thomas Taylor married to Priscilla Brigitte Pereira (father Charles Pereira). They were married Jun 1842 in Madras. Without any further details, I am unable to find the father of Thomas Taylor, or indeed any other relations of Priscilla. If this rings any bells, or even a faint tinkle, I would love to hear from you. I have Taylors, Desilvas and Roderigues records I would be happy to share. Regards Rosemary Taylor

Thank you Maureen and Caroline for your help. Colin.

Hello List Karen said: Tonight after returning from the Later Day of Saints after viewing a film I had sent out I have found out that my GGG Grandfather's service was held at St Thomases Church Bombay in 1827. The Chaplin was a Henry Davies. I am assuming he was also buried there. No family were there at the time so I am very vague on this.Can anyone tell me how I find out more about this Church and where is it actually. The FIBIS Fibiwiki page Bombay (City) has some details http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Bombay_(City) Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

Hello List Colin said: Can anyone offer me advice on the best way to tackle research at the India Office. I know that I need a Reader's Ticket and that I can pre-register in advance. But how do I find out catalogue reference numbers etc so that I can pre-order viewing? My scope of interest lies in BMD registers for Madras, Bellary, Kannur. Also East Indies Co Army (Madras Horse Artillery A Battalion) Musters, roll calls etc. The date range is 1813-1870. I have specific dates for some events. The following FIBIS Fibiwiki pages contain information: http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=British_Library http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Church_records http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Madras_Army In addition, if he has not already done so, Colin should first search the LDS beta site, refer http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=IGI   The following Fibiwiki page, although written from the point of view of using LDS microfilms, does give an idea of how the British Library church records are structured http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Using_LDS_Microfilms Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

Hi All, Tonight after returning from the Later Day of Saints after viewing a film I had sent out I have found out that my GGG Grandfather's service was held at St Thomases Church Bombay in 1827. The Chaplin was a Henry Davies. I am assuming he was also buried there. No family were there at the time so I am very vague on this. Can anyone tell me how I find out more about this Church and where is it actually. Kindest Regards Karen

Thanks, Ann, for your speedy response with invaluable information from passeanger lists. I'm now a few more steps forward. Regards. Herbie

Hello Listers   Can anyone offer me advice on the best way to tackle research at the India Office. I know that I need a Reader's Ticket and that I can pre-register in advance.   But how do I find out catalogue reference numbers etc so that I can pre-order viewing?   My scope of interest lies in BMD registers for Madras, Bellary, Kannur. Also East Indies Co Army (Madras Horse Artillery A Battalion) Musters, roll calls etc.   The date range is 1813-1870. I have specific dates for some events.   Thanks, Colin.

There is a passenger list for Muriel Meyers coming back with two children, Blanch and Fay in 1957, to an address in Derby. The marriage record on the fs beta site has slightly different birthdates dates and Muriel's names are transposed. Groom's Name Terence Ormond Mayer Groom's Birth Date 1892 Groom's Birthplace  Groom's Age 32 Bride's Name Muriel Agnes Beeby Bride's Birth Date 1904 Bride's Birthplace  Bride's Age 20 Marriage Date 04 Oct 1924 Marriage Place Calcutta, Bengal, India Groom's Father's Name Colin Ormond Mayer Groom's Mother's Name  Bride's Father's Name William Beeby Bride's Mother's Name  Groom's Race  Groom's Marital Status Single Groom's Previous Wife's Name  Bride's Race  Bride's Marital Status Single Bride's Previous Husband's Name  Indexing Project (Batch) Number M75053-6 System Origin India-EASy Source Film Number 463387 Reference Number

Hi Listers Do any of you have a record of the children, etc. of Terence Ormond Mayer b 1887 & Agnes Muriel Beeby b 1903? I don't seem to be able to find them anywhere on the records that I have access. TIA Regards. Herbie

Hello Geoffrey I have been researching the name RUTLEDGE/ROUTLEDGE but in the UK, none that I know went to India. Do you know where your RUTLEDGE's were before India? My gg grandfather Edward ROUTLEDGE was born 1820 in Newcastle-on-Tyne and married Juliana GARLAND inn Poplar Middlesex UK in 1841 and emigrated to NSW Australia then later moved to Brisbane QLD, Australia. Cheers Joan in NSW, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoffrey Williams" <gapmin@btinternet.com> Is anybody researching FLOOD? Anybody researching RUTLEDGE? -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1143 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

On a recent trip to the British Library, I made a note of some INTESTATE Names where Administrations had been granted. The names are listed below. Further information can be obtained from the British Library reference number quoted. I hope these help someone. Administrations Granted >From 1st April to 30th June 1844 British Library Reference: L/AG/34/29/69 INTESTATE NAMES ARAKIEL Gregory Granted 22 April to the Registrar for the time being. ANDREWS William Granted 4 June to the Registrar for the time being. AUGUSTIN Clement Simon Granted 25 June to the Registrar for the time being. BOYES Richard Bethnell Granted 22 April to the Registrar for the time being. BADDELEY William Clinton Granted 26 April to George Campbell Rankin BIRD William Granted 30 April to the Registrar for the time being. BROWN Elizabeth Granted 28 May to the Registrar for the time being. BRADY Thomas Granted 4 June to June Brady BENETT Charles Granted 4 June to the Registrar for the time being. BALLANTINE Edmund Thomas Granted 18 June to the Registrar for the time being. DYKES Margaret Granted 3 May to Robert Leishman DICKSON William Granted 4 June to the Registrar for the time being. Best wishes Liz Researching Chater or Armenians in India and Hong Kong in 2010? Please go to <http://www.chater-genealogy.com/> www.chater-genealogy.com.

The marriage of Alice Edith CAMPBELL to Patrick Joseph O'SULLIVAN is on a number of databases. On https://beta.familysearch.org/ her father is shown as a James CAMPBELL. I assume that Mark has looked at the actual marriage record? Usually it gives the fathers' occupations, which would perhaps be a further clue to Alice's identity? Just from the name 'James CAMPBELL' I would have guessed Scottish.? I found several references to O'SULLIVAN's army record. He retired from the army in 1897. In 1896 (March qtr) he'd married Emma Agnes CALLINGHAM, his third wife. They had seven children - six girls and then Terence Patrick O'SULLIVAN, engineer, who's on Wikipedia. I'm quite certain that Patrick Joseph's O'SULLIVAN's army record will be at TNA, as Maureen suggests. Noel

For UK Listers On Friday 3rd December at 9 pm on BBC2 "John Sargeant on Tracks of Empire" (Part 1 of 2 Unite and Divide) previously shown on BBC4 "The presenter sets off on a 3,000 mile journey on what could be the British Empire's greatest legacy to India, its rail network............." Marion