Dear Tim, Thank you so much for your Email.You were quite right in thinking that my asking for information was more of a general nature. William Wilks did fight in the Indian Mutiny and was awarded the Mutiny Medal, his Number was 2975 , the top one you mentioned. He was present at Balwah 17th to 25th April 1858. At the capture of Fort Nugger 29th April 1858.Present at the action at Almora 9th June 1858 and present at the action at Toolsepore 23rd December 1858. The reason I got in touch with you was hoping that you might be able to help me. William Wilks was given a very large mansion in Jalapahar,. Darjeeling 'For some special services rendered to the British Government'. My father, unfortunately he is not alive anymore, always told us that William went in disguise into Lhasa, Tibet to rescue a British Dignitary who was being held prisoner there. They were betrayed and imprisioned but managed to escape and all of them returned to India'.I have tried to find out anything about this incident but have had no luck. So when I read your Email, I thought 'give it a try you never know' . I hope you don't mind. Keeping my fingers crossed. Looking forward to your reply. Eileen > From: Medals726@aol.com > Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 20:51:01 -0500 > To: india@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [INDIA] Fatehgarh and the mutiny by F. R Cosens; 1 edition; First publish... > > In a message dated 12/4/2010 7:17:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > eileenandbob@hotmail.com writes: > > I am very interested to know if there is any mention of a 'Wilks'. My > GreatGrandfather William fought in the Mutiny. > I am trying to find all that I can about him. Hope he's mentioned. Look > forward to hearing from you. > > Eileen, > > Can I ask why you believe your Great Grandfather was at Fatehgarh during > the Mutiny? I could be wrong, but I get the feeling your request for > information regarding William Wilks is more general in nature. While I will look > for any references to William while reviewing the book on Fatehgarh, I > thought I might also provide you with some quickly available information which > might be of help. There are two William Wilks listed in Kevin Asplin's > roll of men who were entitled to the Indian Mutiny medal for service during > the Mutiny in British regiments (as opposed to HEIC regiments): > > No. 2075 Private 13th Foot No claps Indian Mutiny Medal > No. 2224 Private 8th Foot Indian Mutiny Medal with clasps for Delhi and > Relief of Lucknow > > Do you have any information regarding your Great Grandfather that might > help you determine if either of the above referenced men might be the William > Wilks you are searching for? If you determine that one of them might be, > then there are other sources of information that could be very helpful in > your research. > > If I am incorrect and you do have information placing William at Fatehgarh > during the Mutiny, please email me any information you have as it might be > helpful in finding a reference to him. > > All the best. > > Tim B. > ===== India Mailing List ===== > > Families in British India Society: http://www.fibis.org > > > Archives for this list can be found at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=INDIA > and at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INDIA > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Catherine, In the 1901 list of residents of Simla (Liddell's Simla Directory, 1901) there are listed three residences 'Torrentium', 'Torrentium Retreat' and 'Torrentium Villa..' The Morgans are not listed. However, I can confirm that on pages 112/113 of 'Simla Past and Present' by Edward J. Buck (1904) there is confirmation that Torrentium House and Estate is occupied by '...its present tenant Colonel J.W.A. Morgan, Inspector-General of the Civil Veterinary Department..' There are 15 or so lines describing the place. If you would care to contact me off-list I can send you the relevant pages. Alternatively you can download the book from here: http://www.archive.org/index.php (just search on the words 'buck, simla' - there will be only one hit). Noel

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Hello List Edna said: I will try and add the enlarged copy [of the will] to this e mail but not sure if it is permitted, or can be added to the list. I can send it on to anyone who requests it otherwise. Edna forwarded me a copy of the extract from the will, and I think the school she is looking for reads "Boys' Memorial Schools, Cawnpore" In the FIBIS Fibiwiki page "Events at Cawnpore" http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Events_at_Cawnpore there is a link from Blunt's book "List of Inscriptions" to a chapter headed All Saints' Memorial Church [Cawnpore].This chapter gives details of the victims of the massacre at Cawnpore during the Mutiny. It is possible that the Memorial School is connected with the All Saints' Memorial Church, but I have no specific knowledge of this. Additionally, in respect of some correspondence yesterday regarding Fatehgarh and the Mutiny, this chapter of Blunt's book mentions Fatehgarh fugitives and Victims on page 118 Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

Thorne is a village near Doncaster in South Yorkshire Sent from my iPhone On 5 Dec 2010, at 18:35, "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: RobHist > Surnames: Morgan Foster > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2559/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > John Motgsn and Constance Foster (b. abt 1865) were married in Thorne England in Sept 1899. Constance is identified as living in Simla/Shimla India at one time - and probably John was there also. Am unable to discipher the exact location of Constance's residence from family records - looks like Yorrenlinne - it is the Yorr that is troublesome - could start with a T or L. Thanks for any help. Catherine > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. > > > > ===== India Mailing List ===== > > Families in British India Society: http://www.fibis.org > > > Archives for this list can be found at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=INDIA > and at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INDIA > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > For more information please call First4IT on 01423 859370 > >

Does anyone have ideas on how to contact either the person featured in the article or the journalist who wrote the article? Our family is looking for information on a relative who would have been of the community, quite likely. Thanks, Hilary

Thorne is in Yorkshire > John Motgsn and Constance Foster (b. abt 1865) were married in Thorne > England in Sept 1899. Constance is identified as living in Simla/Shimla > India at one time - and probably John was there also. Am unable to > discipher the exact location of Constance's residence from family > records - looks like Yorrenlinne - it is the Yorr that is troublesome - > could start with a T or L. Thanks for any help. Catherine

In a message dated 12/4/2010 7:17:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, eileenandbob@hotmail.com writes: I am very interested to know if there is any mention of a 'Wilks'. My GreatGrandfather William fought in the Mutiny. I am trying to find all that I can about him. Hope he's mentioned. Look forward to hearing from you. Eileen, Can I ask why you believe your Great Grandfather was at Fatehgarh during the Mutiny? I could be wrong, but I get the feeling your request for information regarding William Wilks is more general in nature. While I will look for any references to William while reviewing the book on Fatehgarh, I thought I might also provide you with some quickly available information which might be of help. There are two William Wilks listed in Kevin Asplin's roll of men who were entitled to the Indian Mutiny medal for service during the Mutiny in British regiments (as opposed to HEIC regiments): No. 2075 Private 13th Foot No claps Indian Mutiny Medal No. 2224 Private 8th Foot Indian Mutiny Medal with clasps for Delhi and Relief of Lucknow Do you have any information regarding your Great Grandfather that might help you determine if either of the above referenced men might be the William Wilks you are searching for? If you determine that one of them might be, then there are other sources of information that could be very helpful in your research. If I am incorrect and you do have information placing William at Fatehgarh during the Mutiny, please email me any information you have as it might be helpful in finding a reference to him. All the best. Tim B.

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Hello List Bev said: I've been advised by a fellow researcher that the book below contains a written account of my ancestors escape/actions during the Indian Mutiny. Fatehgarh and the mutiny by F. R Cosens; 1 edition; First published in 1933. Tim has a copy but if other people are interested in this book, it is available at the British Library. For other information about the Mutiny and Fatehgarh, the FIBIS Fibiwiki has the page "Occupation of Futteghur" which took place 2 January 1858 http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Occupation_of_Futteghur The FIBIS Fibiwiki page Events at Cawnpore http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Events_at_Cawnpore has a link to an online account called "The Story of My Escape from Futtehghur" by Gavin S Jones. This tok place in 1857. Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

Yes indeed "Hati Bill" did sterling work in rescuing many refugees. He also wrote another book called "Bandoola" which was the name of one of the elephants. Unfortunately, some of these elephants were turned loose into the jungles that are located between Manipur and Cachar District of Assam and in the subsequent years caused havoc in the tea estates and paddy fields along the areas at the foot of the Mikir/Kachari/Jaintia/Khasi Hills.As they had lost their fear of humans they were not bothered by the local people throwing 'shaadi' bombs at them when the elephants raided their paddy stores. Incidentally, The Burma Road, runs from Lashio to Kunming in China, which was not a very favourable route taken by the refugees. Some people confuse the Burma Road with the Stilwell (or Ledo) Road. The Ledo Road ran from Ledo in Assam into Burma and evetually linked up with the Burma Road. Many refugees trekked from Shinbwiyang to Tipong/Lekhapani/Ledo through the Hukawng Valley which was the most testing and fatal route for many of these people.Some others managed to get out earlier and trekked the 'easier' (although far from 'easy') route through Tamu to Imphal before that route became untenable due to Japanese invasion. In regard to the refugees exodus and the ways that they went in 1942, there are only four books, to my knowledge, that specifically relate to the trek and rescue of the refugees, and these are: "Forgotten Frontiers" - by Geoffrey Tyson "..........and some fell by the wayside" - by A R Tainsh "White Butterflies" - by Colin McPhedran "Through the Jungle of Death" - by Stephen Brookes. If listers are interested in these stories, then I can recommened every one of these books to you. If you wish to see the book covers of three of these books, then log on to www.koi-hai.com and then click on the Books icon on the left. Alan Lane Subject: Re: [INDIA] Burma Road > > > Re: Burma and the elephants, I'm surprised no one has mentioned the book > 'Elephant Bill' written by J H Williams, and published in 1950, which > describes in great detail the excellent work done by the elephants and > their Oozies, in rescuing hundreds of families and transporting them to > safety. > > Rosemary Taylor

Re: Burma and the elephants, I'm surprised no one has mentioned the book 'Elephant Bill' written by J H Williams, and published in 1950, which describes in great detail the excellent work done by the elephants and their Oozies, in rescuing hundreds of families and transporting them to safety. Rosemary Taylor > Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 07:22:06 -0800 > From: apwavl@att.net > To: india@rootsweb.com > Subject: [INDIA] Burma Road > > While on the subject of the Burma Road, there happens to be an excellent book > with the same title: "The Burma Road" by Donovan Webster. ISBN 0-06-074638-6. > > Archives for this list can be found at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=INDIA > and at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INDIA > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List Edna said: I have today received a Will of my Grandfathers Maternal Grandmother in which she leaves Frank Vernon Lloyd of (Lasnialinnea)?? Boys School Calcutta, the school name is illegible to me but may mean something to you fellow Listers. Also she leaves jointly with My Grandfather Arthur Couper Lloyd of Boys (Manicual)?? School Cowanpore. Can anyone help with these two Schools names and are there any records or information available about them during the years of the will being written in 1886 and being proved in 1892 The School in Calcutta is probably La Martiniere for Boys, Calcutta. Probably Cowanpore is Cawnpore. If so, the school there is more of a mystery. There was a school at one time known as the Mission School, now Christ Church College. However the word given by Edna looks quite different. The FIBIS Fibiwiki has pages, Schools, Calcutta, Cawnpore http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Schools http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Calcutta http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Cawnpore Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

Thank you Maureen, This School La Martiniere for Boys in Calcutta is surely the one you mention after enlarging it , but the one in Cowanpore may be Municipal but is there a School of this name. I will try and add the enlarged copy to this e mail but not sure if it is permitted, or can be added to the list. I can send it on to anyone who requests it otherwise. Edna Palmer

Hi, I am very interested to know if there is any mention of a 'Wilks'. My GreatGrandfather William fought in the Mutiny. I am trying to find all that I can about him. Hope he's mentioned. Look forward to hearing from you. Thanks, Eileen Goodlad. > Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 16:05:13 -0800 > From: apwavl@att.net > To: india@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [INDIA] Fatehgarh and the mutiny by F. R Cosens; 1 edition; First publish... > > Hi, > I am interested to know if there are mentions of any "Janes" Both Thomas and > Thomas-- Father and son. And the other Janes are of interest also. > > A cousin, watching a BBC presentation several years ago mention a memorial > wall (place unknown) that had a "Dibnah"....another family member. > > So: Janes -any and all > Dibnah-any and all > > I hope I have luck here. Thank you for the offer and results. > > Kerrie Farmer > Way over here in a very cold and wet Western North Carolina, USA--my daughter > tells me it is the same over in Lakenheath. > > > > ________________________________ > From: "Medals726@aol.com" <Medals726@aol.com> > To: india@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 2:14:25 PM > Subject: Re: [INDIA] Fatehgarh and the mutiny by F. R Cosens; 1 edition; First > publish... > > Bev- > > I have an original of Fatehgarh and the Mutiny by Cosens in my books on > the Indian Mutiny. Contact me off line and let me know what you are looking > for in the book. > > Tim B. > > > In a message dated 12/4/2010 1:50:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jarvispearson@hotmail.com writes: > > > Hi List, > > I've been advised by a fellow researcher that the book below contains a > written account of my ancestors escape/actions during the Indian Mutiny. > > Fatehgarh and the mutiny by F. R Cosens; 1 edition; First published in > 1933. > > I would love to access/read this book but on searching the listings I have > found suggest I can:- > > Buy it from Amazon for £100 (not a feasible option at > present...unfortunately) > Gain library access in Michigan, Minnesota & Central Library AIOU > Islamabad! > > I am in the UK :( > > Any other suggestions?? > > Thanks > Bev > (Reasearching India Family Names: ELLISON, ROBBINS, HINE, BERESFORD, > BLYTH, MADDEN, NAVIN & REA) > ===== India Mailing List ===== > > Families in British India Society: http://www.fibis.org > > > Archives for this list can be found at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=INDIA > and at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INDIA > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and > > the body of the message > ===== India Mailing List ===== > > Families in British India Society: http://www.fibis.org > > > Archives for this list can be found at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=INDIA > and at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INDIA > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > ===== India Mailing List ===== > > Families in British India Society: http://www.fibis.org > > > Archives for this list can be found at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=INDIA > and at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INDIA > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Throwing in my two-pennyworth here, I think that it is a mistake not to check the primary records for something that might have been omitted in a transcription. For example, reference to the India Office Family History Search database shows that when Margaret was baptised at Cawnpore on 23rd December 1813 her father was 'Lt. & Adj., 4th N.I..' So that is something more than just 'Lieut. Hay.' Also, when she married Thomas Sewell, Capt. 11th Regt. N. I. at Calcutta Cathedral on 6th May 1828, her status was 'Under age' and her father was 'J. Maj. 66th N. I.' Unless you look you never know what might be scribbled on a page of a register somewhere. I would have thought that it was also worth checking the bond document held in the BL with the reference Z/O/1/9 No. 5480. Noel

Re: name of school? This is a long shot but could it be La Martiniere Boys School which is very well known. Moira Breen USA ________________________________ From: edna palmer <edna.palmer@googlemail.com> To: india@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 10:54:57 AM Subject: [INDIA] Schools in Calcutta and Cowanpore 1886 to 1902 Dear Listers, I have today received a Will of my Grandfathers Maternal Grandmother in which she leaves Frank Vernon Lloyd of  (Lasnialinnea)?? Boys School Calcutta, the school name is illegible to me but may mean something to you fellow Listers

Dear Listers, I have today received a Will of my Grandfathers Maternal Grandmother in which she leaves Frank Vernon Lloyd of (Lasnialinnea)?? Boys School Calcutta, the school name is illegible to me but may mean something to you fellow Listers Also she leaves jointly with My Grandfather Arthur Couper Lloyd of Boys (Manicual)?? School Cowanpore Can anyone help with these two Schools names and are there any records or information available about them during the years of the will being written in 1886 and being proved in 1892 The boys wer orphaned by then Arthur Couper Lloyd was born India baptised 1872 died Liverpool 1930 Frank Vernon Lloyd was born Allahabad 1874 and died Quetta 1938 information from (familysearch pilot site) Thank you for any help available Edna Palmer

Hi, I am interested to know if there are mentions of any  "Janes" Both Thomas and Thomas-- Father and son. And the other Janes are of interest also. A cousin, watching a BBC presentation several years ago mention a memorial wall (place unknown) that had a "Dibnah"....another family member. So:  Janes -any and all         Dibnah-any and all  I hope I have luck here.  Thank you for the offer and results. Kerrie Farmer Way over here in a very cold and wet Western North Carolina, USA--my daughter tells me it is the same over in Lakenheath. ________________________________ From: "Medals726@aol.com" <Medals726@aol.com> To: india@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 2:14:25 PM Subject: Re: [INDIA] Fatehgarh and the mutiny by F. R Cosens; 1 edition; First publish... Bev- I have an original of Fatehgarh and the Mutiny by Cosens in  my books on the Indian Mutiny.  Contact me off line and let  me know what you are looking for in the book. Tim B. In a message dated 12/4/2010 1:50:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  jarvispearson@hotmail.com writes: Hi  List, I've been advised by a fellow researcher that the book below  contains a written account of my ancestors escape/actions during the Indian  Mutiny. Fatehgarh and the mutiny by F. R Cosens; 1 edition; First  published in 1933. I would love to access/read this book but on  searching the listings I have found suggest I can:- Buy it from Amazon  for £100 (not a feasible option at present...unfortunately) Gain library  access in Michigan, Minnesota & Central Library AIOU Islamabad! I  am in the UK :( Any other  suggestions?? Thanks Bev (Reasearching India Family Names:  ELLISON, ROBBINS, HINE, BERESFORD, BLYTH, MADDEN, NAVIN & REA)    ===== India Mailing List ===== Families in British India  Society:  http://www.fibis.org Archives for this list  can be found  at: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=INDIA and  at:  http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INDIA ------------------------------- To  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com  with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of  the message ===== India Mailing List ===== Families in British India Society:  http://www.fibis.org Archives for this list can be found at: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=INDIA and at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INDIA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bev- I have an original of Fatehgarh and the Mutiny by Cosens in my books on the Indian Mutiny. Contact me off line and let me know what you are looking for in the book. Tim B. In a message dated 12/4/2010 1:50:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jarvispearson@hotmail.com writes: Hi List, I've been advised by a fellow researcher that the book below contains a written account of my ancestors escape/actions during the Indian Mutiny. Fatehgarh and the mutiny by F. R Cosens; 1 edition; First published in 1933. I would love to access/read this book but on searching the listings I have found suggest I can:- Buy it from Amazon for £100 (not a feasible option at present...unfortunately) Gain library access in Michigan, Minnesota & Central Library AIOU Islamabad! I am in the UK :( Any other suggestions?? Thanks Bev (Reasearching India Family Names: ELLISON, ROBBINS, HINE, BERESFORD, BLYTH, MADDEN, NAVIN & REA) ===== India Mailing List ===== Families in British India Society: http://www.fibis.org Archives for this list can be found at: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=INDIA and at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INDIA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message