Good evening Someone with a subscription to Ancestry can give me information on my ancestor Gne Thiault (immigration to Calcutta via Southampton England) in 1843. Thank you François Thiault France

Pat asked for some help with her grandfather's army records. Here are some preliminary comments. I have looked at the medal card on www.ancestry.co.uk. What it tells you is that William was awarded the Victory Medal, The British War Medal, and the 1914-15 Star. The notations (for example, Roll C/2/101B3, page 149) denote the actual medal rolls at The National Archives from whence the summary information on the medal card was extracted. Sometimes the actual medal rolls give worthwhile additional information, but I'm not sure whether this is the case with the Dorsetshire Regiment. More about that later. The little asterisk against the Victory Medal indicates that both the VM and BWM are impressed with his details as Private 8602. It's very likely that the Star is similarly impressed. The details further down on the medal card tell you that, for the purposes of the three medals, he first entered a theatre of war 5a on 6th November 1914. If you look on TNA web-site you will see that referred to as the 'Hedjaz' theatre. If you look on the web-site 'The Long, Long Trail here http://www.1914-1918.net/dorsets.htm you will see that on 6th November 1914 it was the 2nd Battalion of the Dorsets that landed in Fao in the Persian Gulf. So you know that William was serving with the 2nd Dorsets. There's a little bit more about the 2nd Dorsets there, including their capture at Kut-el-Amara, and subsequent re-formation. The re-formation corresponds to the notation on the medal card '2/Dorset R' and the new number 0733 The 'Correspondence' section of the medal card. Indicates that the Officer-in-charge of No. 6 Reserve Battalion, at Pashan Camp, Kirkee, India, submitted William's claims for his medals on 5th April 1919. Confirmation that the 2nd Dorsets were at Pashan Camp in 1919 is given here http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=111506 But in this thread you can see that there's a bit of mystery surrounding the camp. If you wish to obtain more information on the 2nd Dorsets during the First World War, and on Pashan Camp, may I suggest that you join 'The Great War Forum' as above, and ask the question. The GWF has thousands of experts in its ranks, all just waiting to help you! You could ask about the Medal Rolls at the same time. To obtain a copy of William's service records follow the process shown here: http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/AboutDefence/WhatWeDo/Personnel/ServiceRec ords/MakingARequestForInformationHeldOnThePersonnelRecordsOfDeceasedServiceP ersonnel.htm William will have qualified for the Long Service and Good Conduct Medal, and he may also have been awarded the India General Service Medal 1908 with Malabar Clasp (1921) as the 2nd Dorsets were involved in the Moplah Rebellion. His service records will tell you his entitlements. You can read about the Moplah Rebellion here http://www.keepmilitarymuseum.org/malabar.php?&dx=1&ob=3&rpn=history&sid=6b1 44b1886a79f4a044233576dfedf42 There's a 'History of the Dorsetshire Regiment 1914-1919' published by the Naval and Military Press. If you have any other questions, please contact me off-list. Noel

Hello Maureen, Further to your Email-we have the Army Record of William Wilks which states that on "16th December 1874 he was discharged to Pension at Ranikhet,India".He died in Darjeeling on 18th December 1894 and was buried in the Military Cemetery at Jalapahar, Darjeeling. We have no dates as to the"Special Services" in which William Wilks was involved.My father did mention he might have been commissioned by the British Government to go with a Mr Paul, who was the Commissioner for Darjeeling,into Lhasa Tibet in disguise to trace the whereabouts of Sir Ashley Eden,who was being held prisoner there.They were betrayed and imprisoned but managed to escape and return to India. I don't know whether this escapade occurred while William was in the Army or after he was discharged. I would love to know exactly what happened. Look forward to hearing from you. Regards Eileen : maureen.evers@bigpond.com > To: india@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 08:26:31 +1100 > Subject: [INDIA] William Wilks/British Dignitary held in Lhasa. > > Hello List > Previous correspondence has been under the title Fatehgarh and the mutiny by > F. R Cosens; 1 edition; First publish... > > Eileen has indicated that William Wilks was a private in the 13th Foot at > the time of the Mutiny. Has she checked out British Army records, in > particular soldiers discharge records available on Find My Past? > > The FIBIS Fibiwiki page British Army has details > http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=British_Army > > The FIBIS Fibiwiki page 13th Regiment of Foot has a history of the Regiment > to 1867 > http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=13th_Regiment_of_Foot > > Eileen does not indicate whether William Wilks was still in the Army when he > went to Lhasa and what possible date range applies > The FIBIS Fibiwiki page Tibet http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Tibet > has details of a book "Britain and Tibet 1765-1947: A Select Annotated > Bibliography" which may possibly refer to the British Dignitary held in > Lhasa. > Another possibility which may refer to the British Dignitary, is a book > mentioned on the FIBIS Fibiwiki page "People in the North West and nearby > countries" > http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=People_in_the_North_West_and_nearby_co > untries > called Tournament of Shadows > Cheers > Maureen (Sydney) > > -----Original Message----- > From: india-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Robert Goodlad > Sent: Tuesday, 7 December 2010 10:51 AM > To: india@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [INDIA] Fatehgarh and the mutiny by F. R Cosens; 1 edition; > First publish... > > > Dear Tim, > Thank you so much for your Email.You were quite right in thinking that my > asking for information was more of a general nature. William Wilks did > fight in the Indian Mutiny and was awarded the Mutiny Medal, his Number was > 2975 , the top one you mentioned. He was present at Balwah 17th to 25th > April 1858. At the capture of Fort Nugger 29th April 1858.Present at the > action at Almora 9th June 1858 and present at the action at Toolsepore 23rd > December 1858. The reason I got in touch with you was hoping that you might > be able to help me. William Wilks was given a very large mansion in > Jalapahar,. Darjeeling 'For some special services rendered to the British > Government'. My father, unfortunately he is not alive anymore, always told > us that William went in disguise into Lhasa, Tibet to rescue a British > Dignitary who was being held prisoner there. They were betrayed and > imprisioned but managed to escape and all of them returned to India'.I have > tried to find out anything about ! > this incident but have had no luck. So when I read your Email, I thought > 'give it a try you never know' . I hope you don't mind. Keeping my fingers > crossed. Looking forward to your reply. Eileen > > > > > > ===== India Mailing List ===== > > Families in British India Society: http://www.fibis.org > > > Archives for this list can be found at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=INDIA > and at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INDIA > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List David said: Can anyone on the List inform me if there is somewhere that has recorded the deaths that occurred during the Japanese invasion and occupation of Burma. I am particularly looking for my grandfather, Arthur Cornelius, his son, Donald and his sister Mabel George. Mabel's husband, Clarence, is listed in the casualties of the trek. The only information that I have is from my aunt who as a young girl managed to get the last plane out with her mother, Lena Cornelius. They said that Chinese pilots brought Mabel's cases but were unable to communicate what had happened to her. The FIBIS Fibiwiki has a page Burma http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Burma. In the section "Trek Out of Burma in 1942" there is mention in one of the posts of Red Cross records in Geneva, probably the ICRC Archives (link given).These however were records about survivors It is unclear whether they have records about deaths, (I can't see any information to indicate what is held) however it seems as David is enquiring about his grandfather he would be entitled to a free enquiry but with reply timeframe between 6 and 12 months. Enquiries about other relatives would be subject to a charge. Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

David, my cousin remembers the Red Cross interviewing the surviving internees at Maymyo. The List that the Red Cross made up appears to be the same one that is held at the BL - IOR M/8/59. The reason we believe it is the same document the Red Cross produced is because the same error is in there regarding our family. There are a few deaths (about thirty) recorded - only what the survivors could remember or which were noted in diaries. No Cornelius or George. We are waiting permission to publish the complete record, which contains just under 700 names. Burial registers I have seen in Burma contain very few entries for the war years. with regards, Mark

Maureen, Thankyou so much, a great Christmas present! Regards, Merran Ainslie I.M.L. stands for India(n) Miscellaneous List and it is a subgroup of the Unattached List. Quoting from an Access to Archives link the FIBIS Fibiwiki page Unattached List http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Unattached_List says: There were also a number of miscellaneous appointments on the Unattached List comprehended under the term 'India Miscellaneous List' Cheers Maureen (Sydney) ===== India Mailing List ===== Families in British India Society: http://www.fibis.org Archives for this list can be found at: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=INDIA and at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INDIA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List Merran said: I have two burial detail records which state the following-... widow of late Lieutenant William Forsyth I.M.L. (c1930's)...Sub Conductor Ford I.M.L., attached Embarkation Staff Basrah Mesopotamia. (1921) Would the first two letters mean Indian Military? And the third ?? I.M.L. stands for India(n) Miscellaneous List and it is a subgroup of the Unattached List. Quoting from an Access to Archives link the FIBIS Fibiwiki page Unattached List http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Unattached_List says: There were also a number of miscellaneous appointments on the Unattached List comprehended under the term 'India Miscellaneous List' Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

I would recommend 'Hostages to India' by Herbert Alick Stark (first edition published in 1926). I thoroughly recommend it.

I think the medals queried by Pat for William CHEESEMAN were the three WW1 medals known by the troops as "Pip, Squeak and Wilfred", the star being the 1914-15 Star and the other two the British Defence Medal and the Victory Medal. Regards, Leslie visiting cold Cardiff

Hello List, I am hoping some lister may be able to help me re above. I have two burial detail records which state the following- ... widow of late Lieutenant William Forsyth I.M.L. (c1930's) ...Sub Conductor Ford I.M.L., attached Embarkation Staff Basrah Mesopotamia. (1921) Would the first two letters mean Indian Military? And the third ?? I have queried this sometime ago but with no success with the suggestions made. I hope perhaps someone new to the list may have have come across these letters after someone's name. My regards Merran Ainslie

Hello List Ann said: I am looking for information about my grandfather Eric Parker. He joined the Indian Army in 1918 .... I have some information about his time in Tibet but virtually no information about his time in India. I live in Canada so I do not have access to the British Library. The FIBIS Fibiwiki has a page called Indian Army http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Indian_Army Eric Parker's record may be available in the series "Indian Army Records of Service IOR/L/MIL/14/239/1-72481". Ann could contact the British Library, or if she is a FIBIS member, FIBIS can obtain documents and do research for her. (Details of both in the FIBIS Fibiwiki page British Library http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=British_Library) Also mentioned on the Indian Army page are Indian Army Lists which may give an indication of Eric Parker's service. These are available on LDS microfiche to 1940. His time as a tea factory manager may possibly mean he had a mention in one of Thacker's Indian Directories of the late 1920's/1930s. These are available at the British Library and in some National/State/University Libraries. Ann could check the library catalogues for the major libraries accessible to her. Eric Parker's marriage is listed on the LDS beta site https://beta.familysearch.org, so a copy of the record from the LDS microfilm could be obtained if required Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

Hello List Pat said: My grandfather, William George Christian Cheeseman was born in Surrey in 1889 and joined the Dorset Regiment in 1908.I realise that a lot of records were burnt in the blitz but I am still hoping to find out a bit more, William Cheeseman was a Staff Sargeant Major when he retired about 1935....Correspondence O/C. No 6. Res Bn Pashan Camp. Kirkee, India submits claims 5.4.19 Kirkee in 1919 tends to place him in the 2nd Battalion of the Dorset Regiment. The relevant FIBIS Fibiwiki page is 54th Regiment of Foot http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=54th_Regiment_of_Foot The links indicate the Battalion was in Mesopotamia during World War 1 and were involved in the Malabar Campaign (Moplah Rebellion) in 1921 Pat could enquire whether it is possible to obtain his Army discharge papers/service papers from the Army Personnel Centre. For details see the FIBIS Fibiwiki page British Army http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=British_Army Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

Hi Pat I was going to suggest that the Star medal was the Burma Star campaign medal, but looking at the dates they dont fit, as the Burma campaign was 1942-1944, and the records are 1914-1920. Can I ask where you found the record of correspondence ? Liam On 10 Dec 2010, at 06:07, Pat wrote: > Hi, > > My grandfather, William George Christian Cheeseman was born in > Surrey in > 1889 and joined the Dorset Regiment in 1908. > I realise that a lot of records were burnt in the blitz but I am still > hoping to find out a bit more, > William Cheeseman was a Staff Sargeant Major when he retired about > 1935. > > I have seached Ancestry and The National Archives and have come up > with the > Medal Index. > Does anyone know what it all means or could they suggest where to go > next? > > Medal Index 1914-1920 > Dorset Regiment Pte 8602 > " " " 0733 > > Victory C/2/101B3 Page 149 > Britis " " > 15 Star C/2/2A " 10 > > Theatre of Warfirst served in 5A) Asia > Date of entry therein 6.11.14 > > > Correspondence > > O/C. No 6. Res Bn Pashan Camp. Kirkee, India > submits claims 5.4.19 > > Many thanks > > Pat > nz > > ===== India Mailing List ===== > > Families in British India Society: http://www.fibis.org > > > Archives for this list can be found at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=INDIA > and at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INDIA > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Many thanks Maureen for your helpful information. I've just started looking into my grandfather's time in India and have been overwhelmed about which way to go. You've given me the jumpstart that I needed. Thanks again, Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Evers" <maureen.evers@bigpond.com> To: <india@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 3:30 PM Subject: [INDIA] FW: Eric Parker > Hello List > Ann said: I am looking for information about my grandfather Eric Parker. > He > joined the Indian Army in 1918 .... > I have some information about his time in Tibet but virtually no > information > about his time in India. I live in Canada so I do not have access to the > British Library. > > The FIBIS Fibiwiki has a page called Indian Army > http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Indian_Army > Eric Parker's record may be available in the series "Indian Army Records > of > Service IOR/L/MIL/14/239/1-72481". Ann could contact the British Library, > or > if she is a FIBIS member, FIBIS can obtain documents and do research for > her. > (Details of both in the FIBIS Fibiwiki page British Library > http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=British_Library) > > Also mentioned on the Indian Army page are Indian Army Lists which may > give > an indication of Eric Parker's service. These are available on LDS > microfiche to 1940. > > His time as a tea factory manager may possibly mean he had a mention in > one > of Thacker's Indian Directories of the late 1920's/1930s. These are > available at the British Library and in some National/State/University > Libraries. Ann could check the library catalogues for the major libraries > accessible to her. > > Eric Parker's marriage is listed on the LDS beta site > https://beta.familysearch.org, so a copy of the record from the LDS > microfilm could be obtained if required > > Cheers > Maureen (Sydney) > > ===== India Mailing List ===== > > Families in British India Society: http://www.fibis.org > > > Archives for this list can be found at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=INDIA > and at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INDIA > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, My grandfather, William George Christian Cheeseman was born in Surrey in 1889 and joined the Dorset Regiment in 1908. I realise that a lot of records were burnt in the blitz but I am still hoping to find out a bit more, William Cheeseman was a Staff Sargeant Major when he retired about 1935. I have seached Ancestry and The National Archives and have come up with the Medal Index. Does anyone know what it all means or could they suggest where to go next? Medal Index 1914-1920 Dorset Regiment Pte 8602 " " " 0733 Victory C/2/101B3 Page 149 Britis " " 15 Star C/2/2A " 10 Theatre of Warfirst served in 5A) Asia Date of entry therein 6.11.14 Correspondence O/C. No 6. Res Bn Pashan Camp. Kirkee, India submits claims 5.4.19 Many thanks Pat nz

Carol, Just loved those tiny hats on the ladies. This sort of collection really should be in a museum and properly cataloged. I found the only picture of my Father (George Denzil Rogers) as a 7 year old child while going through a box of pictures of Kashmir at the India Office Library many years ago.... Cheers Peter Rogers, Suffolk UK. ------------------------------- > In case anyone is interested I receive an update of auctions in > Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, UK, and have just been told that there is an > auction coming up next Thursday and they have just sent me the catalogue > which includes many things about India, late 1800s old photograph albums, > too many to mention but of Poona, Seringapatam, Bangalore, Oudh, Mysore, > Maharajahs, Charles Webley Hope, just too much to list. > > Their website is www.bespokeauctions.co.uk Phone number: (0) 1684 > 299907 I have nothing whatsoever to do with them, financially or > otherwise - am actually looking for an old pine kitchen > table!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Carol T.

Hi All, I just wanted to say a big thank you to everyone who contributed to my email post/thread for Book Recommendations. I have now found and ordered a collection of the books mentioned via Amazon & Ebay and I hope to relax and read over the Christmas period. Perhaps others may be inspired to do the same. Ho...Ho...Ho... Merry Christmas Bev

Bev - as you are in the UK, why not check the catalogues of some specialist book sellers, from whom you could select both new and second hand titles? In this respect I suggest: Verandah Books - http://www.verandahbooks.co.uk/search.php Pagoda Tree Press - http://www.pagodatreepress.com/ (publishing arm of Hugh Ashley Rayner - next item) Hugh Ashley Rayner (Bath) - http://web.mac.com/hughashleyrayner/Indiabooks.co.uk/HOME_PAGE.html Ken Trotman Books - http://www.kentrotman.com/indexmn.htm - For militaria I have no connection with any of the above booksellers, but have in the past made purchases from each (& I live in Australia) Sylvia > -----Original Message----- > From: Beverley Jarvis-Pearson [mailto:jarvispearson@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 10:49 PM > To: india@rootsweb.com > Subject: [INDIA] Book Recommendations > > > Hi List, > > I hope this question isn't too off topic but with Christmas > coming up I wondered whether any listers had suggestions for > books that are a good read on the subject of the British in > India 17/1800's?

Hi Keith and others who contributed to the list of reference books for other list members which will give those of us Downunder some valuable summer-time reading. I look forward to time off to spend on this pleasurable pastime! Regards Ainslie.

A book set further south and with a connection to Australia is "The Last Nizam" by John Zubrzycki. It is a good read with copious endnotes and an extensive bibliography. Thanks to everyone for sharing their knowledge throughout the the year - although I haven't asked many questions I have learnt a lot. Season's greetings .......... Ros.