I am currently research a Rochfort family, the head of which was one Marcus (Marius?) Rochfort. I have sourced from 'Poor Relations : the making of a Eurasian community in British India, 1733, some details of his teaching posts. Marcus Gustavus Rochfort was a teacher by profession and, at various stages of his career, he taught at the Upper Military Academy, and was headmaster of the PAI, from 1829-1830. In 1835 he was listed as a teacher at the Madrassa, all at Calcutta, and between 1842 and 1847 he was, first, headmaster and, later, Professor of Literature at the headmaster, Mahommed Mohsen School, Hooghly. I have checked the Fibiwiki, but can find no reference to the Upper Military Academy or the PAI. Can anyone tell me what the PAI was, and perhaps also something about the Upper Military Academy. I have found some additional information about the Mahommed Mohsen School from an issue of the Asiatic journal. Leonie Fretwell Burra, South Australia lfretwell@bigpond.com www.fretwell.kangaweb.com.au <http://www.fretwell.kangaweb.com.au/>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: NSWNSW Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/429.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Dear Rose My grandfather was stationed in Poona during the 1930s. My father was born in 1930 and grew up there. I see your message is quite old...did you manage to find any more information? I would be interested to find out what exactly, my grandfather would have been doing out there as I have no idea. He returned to the UK in 1939. Nicola Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello List Rick said: I have an ancestor Captain John Charles Desmier who was in the Country Service around 1825- 1830 in Calicut. Can anyone tell me what this Service was and maybe give me some ideas where I might be able to find out more about this person (eg career history). The FIBIS Fibiwiki has a page Country Sea Service which seems to be the same as Country Service. http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Country_Sea_Service Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lambuisman Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2561.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: William served in India from 1863-1876 (discharge papers). He had at least two sons born there (1881 Census). Besides Mary Jane I found one of those sons, and maybe another one, in the LDS records. Places of birth/baptism match with the places where the regiment was stationed at the time. None of them appear in the GRO Army Chaplains Births Indices, or the GRO Regimental Births Indices on findmypast. I don't see any 108th Reg. births there at all, even with other surnames. I'd best go after the LDS films, and try an e-mail to the GRO. Thanks for the Fibis link, somehow I have trouble navigating through their website. Loes Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I have an ancestor Captain John Charles Desmier who was in the Country Service around 1825- 1830 in Calicut. Can anyone tell me what this Service was and maybe give me some ideas where I might be able to find out more about this person (eg career history). Rick Desmier http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~desmier/ Queensland,Australia

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maureenr5 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2561.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Loes If you look at the LDS microfilm, or at the same records at the British Library, Mary's surname is unlikely to be given, as it would have been transcribed to the LDS records if it was there. However, the father's occupation would be given, and if he was in the Army, the regiment also, together with the rank. You would be therefore able to determine whether the father was William Bennett in the 108th Regiment As William Bennett was in the British Army, you may also be able to get information from British Army records. Sometimes the British Army birth records have more details than the India Office Ecclesiastical records, which are what the LDS records are. Refer the FIBIS Fibiwiki page "Chaplains Returns" http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Chaplains_Returns Cheers Maureen Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

In October I went to India as a veteran, visiting, cemeteries etc in Imphal/Kohima, Dinapur,Calcutta and Delhi. Would the two 'Listers' interested in photographs of Imphal and Kohima.please contact me after Christmas 'off List'. Dorothy (Solihull)

Thanks to Noel: I have now looked at the Presidency marriage return in the British Library microfilms, and it confirms that Alice Edith Campbell's father was James Campbell (sadly, it's not an awfully helpful name, sort of the Scottish equivalent of John Smith). I took the opportunity to check if he was on the graveyard list for St Thomas's Cathedral (which is where she married - interestingly since it is an Anglican cathedral, and her husband was a Catholic), and he wasn't. None of the Presidency returns seem to show father's occupation, and I haven't been able to trace her birth or christening, so I'm not sure of the next step - though presumably he wasn't an army officer, or the return would have shown a rank. Alice Edith was "of full age", but either she must have been living with her father or he must have died, I suppose. I looked for a Bombay directory but couldn't find one. I have a lot on Patrick Joseph O'Sullivan already, but will check the PRO next time I am at Kew in case there is further material which wasn't in the AMS record. Mark Somerset

Ivan I am guessing that the "Artillery" in this case is not the HM Army Royal Artillery, but one of the East India Company's Armies' Artillery. As the marriage occurred in Baroda, my guess would be that Richard Herbert would have been in the Bombay Artillery. I would recommend that you trawl through the Bombay Army Muster and Casualty Rolls for the early 1800s to try and identify both Richard Herbert, and a possible father or former husband of Judith. You can access these records by ordering up the LDS microfilms for viewing at your nearest Family History Centre or LDS Agency: 1794-1799 FHL BRITISH Film 1966515 1800-1805 FHL BRITISH Film 1966516 1806-1812 FHL BRITISH Film 1966553 1812-1819 FHL BRITISH Film 1966554 Good hunting! Sylvia (Sydney) > -----Original Message----- > From: Ivan Gregory [mailto:ivang@bigpond.net.au] > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 11:40 AM > To: india@rootsweb.com > Subject: [INDIA] Judith Macavoy > > I recently sighted a burial entry in 1816 for Judith Herbert > nee Macavoy who is described as a European woman from the > artillery. I have not been able to find her birth, probably > between 1790 and 1795. I had thought she could be the > daughter of a soldier and an Indian woman. I am wondering > whether the burial record description of her as a European > woman can be relied upon. > I have a copy of her marriage registration to Richard > Herbert, a gunner of artillery, in 1812 in Baroda. > Does anyone have comments on the reliability of burial records? > Ivan Gregory, Melbourne.

I recently sighted a burial entry in 1816 for Judith Herbert nee Macavoy who is described as a European woman from the artillery. I have not been able to find her birth, probably between 1790 and 1795. I had thought she could be the daughter of a soldier and an Indian woman. I am wondering whether the burial record description of her as a European woman can be relied upon. I have a copy of her marriage registration to Richard Herbert, a gunner of artillery, in 1812 in Baroda. Does anyone have comments on the reliability of burial records? Ivan Gregory, Melbourne. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 843 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Biddy69 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2562/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Michael Ford was a member of the 39th Dorset Regiment of Foot that served in India from 1832. Michael was returned to England on 23 June 1846 as an invalid soldier. Whilst in India Michael married Harriet Sausby (as written on the marriage certificate) in 1835 at Bangalore. Harriet was born 1822 at Dinapore and according to her death certificate her parents were William and Harriet. William was suppose to be a British Soldier and Harriet a full blood Indian lady. Trying to find a surname for Harriet (mother). The Sausby surname has also be written Sansby, Salusbury, Salisbury, Saulsbury, Saulbury. Any ideas, help, lookup or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Cheers Biddy Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello List Eileen said: we have the Army Record of William Wilks which states that on "16th December 1874 he was discharged to Pension at Ranikhet, India". He died in Darjeeling on 18th December 1894 and was buried in the Military Cemetery at Jalapahar, Darjeeling. We have no dates as to the"Special Services" in which William Wilks was involved. My father did mention he might have been commissioned by the British Government to go with a Mr Paul, who was the Commissioner for Darjeeling,into Lhasa Tibet in disguise to trace the whereabouts of Sir Ashley Eden, who was being held prisoner there.They were betrayed and imprisoned but managed to escape and return to India. Sir Ashley Eden is mentioned in these two links http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Eden (Wikipedia) http://www.archive.org/stream/dictionaryofindi00buckuoft#page/130/mode/2up/ (Dictionary of Indian Biography) (Archive.org) His connection with the Himalayan area is Bhutan in the early 1860’s. There is no mention of any trip to Lhasa, Tibet. Mr Paul is very likely Alfred Wallis Paul and his details are in this 1905 India List, which says he was appointed a deputy commissioner in August 1887. http://books.google.com/books?id=3VQTAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA584 Elsewhere a reference says “3lst January 1888....Mr. A. W. Paul, Officiating Deputy Commissioner, Darjeeling, is confirmed in that appointment.” He subsequently was Political Officer/British Commissioner in Sikkim Sir Ashley Eden and Alfred Wallis Paul were accordingly in different time periods, and the William Wilks story appears to lack consistency. In the Dictionary of Indian Biography there is also an entry for Lama Chibu http://www.archive.org/stream/dictionaryofindi00buckuoft#page/80/mode/2up/ . He befriended captives in Sikkim, and subsequently was rewarded with an estate in Darjeeling, so Lama Chibu’s story contains some elements of those mentioned by Eileen. Lama Chibu was also connected with Sir Ashley Eden. This link, Chapter 7 from a book called The Pundits: British Exploration of Tibet and Central Asia by Derek J Waller http://books.google.com/books?id=PYqWhpyoQsoC&pg=PA193 is about a man who did venture into Lhasa from Darjeeling in 1879, Babu Sarat Chandra Das. He is thought to be the basis for Kipling’s secret agent character in Kim, Hurree Chunder Mookerjee For those who would like to read, or reread Kim, an online link is available in the FIBIS Fibiwiki page Rudyard Kipling http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Rudyard_Kipling It appears that virtually no Europeans had been to Lhasa at that time. In conclusion, the story involving William Wilks has inconsistencies and it appears he perhaps may have been telling a story that had historical elements involving other people, but was not about himself. Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lambuisman Surnames: Bennett Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2561/mb.ashx Message Board Post: William Bennett served in the 108th Regiment. Nov 1867 this regiment was stationed in Madras, 4-4-1868 in Bombay, 10-4-1869 in Poona. Mary Jane Bennett, who might be his daughter was born 5-3-1868 and baptized 10-3-1868 in Poona (both IGI records) I know Bombay and Poona are not far apart. Is it likely that her mother was in Poona while the regiment had moved on to Bombay? Also, on the IGI record the mother is just named Mary. To prove the parentage I need her surname. If I get hold of the image, is there a chance her surname would be there? Would the regiment number be mentioned? Loes Loes Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Francois, The passenger lists on www.ancestry.co.uk start in 1878. However what are described as 'Alien arrivals' into England for the years 1810-1811, and 1826-1869, do show one person with the surname THIAULT. Unfortunately my subscription does not permit me to view the details. As per other comments, it would be easy for you to purchase the pay-to-view credits. I presume that it is Gustave Thiault whom you are looking for? A Mr. Thiault left Southampton on 24th August 1843 on the P&O steamer Bentinck and arrived in Calcutta on 18th November 1843. This may have been Gustave? There are several entries on the FIBS web-site relating to him. And looks like one on the familysearchbeta site where it refers to Gustave as 'C. L. G. Thiault.' Noel

Thank you for your help and this information, I'll go to the site cordially François

> Ancestry does have > Gne Thiault arrival in Southampton from Le Havre 23/8/1843 on board Areadne. Hand written he puts occupation as France and nationality Mars..... Obviously nationality should be French, but no idea of his occupation. hope this is of some help. Regards Lesley

François wrote: Someone with a subscription to Ancestry can give me information on my ancestor Gne Thiault (immigration to Calcutta via Southampton England) in 1843. Ancestry does not, as far as I know, have Arrival/Departure data for as early as 1843. However, you can find on the Fibis Search website: www.search.fibis.org Arrival or Departure Arrival Month & Day Nov 18 Year 1843 Name of Ship Bentinck Type of Ship P&O Steamer Captain A. Kellock Title or Rank Mr. Passenger Surname Thiault Origin Southampton Origin date Aug 24 Destination Calcutta Port 1 Point de Galle Port 2 date Nov 16 Source Madras Almanac Edition 1844 Hope this helps Good Hunting! Peter Bailey Chairman Families in British India Society www.fibis.org

Here in Victoria, Australia, our public libraries have access to Ancestry. I book the "Genealogy computer" for an hour each week, for when I go to a neighbouring large town to do my shopping, and it is free. I am a member of the library. Check to see if there is a similar set up where you live. If you get stuck, contact me off line with your information, and I will see if there is anything on Ancestry that I can find for you.... but it might be in a week or two. Cheers De in Aus Searching for RAYMOND, HARDIE, BURNS, WALLIS, DAVIDSON, WHITE, ALLEN, OWEN/S, LARENGO, PATHE, SCOTT, WICKENS, MAYBERY, WILKINS.

Francois, I guess that you are looking for information from passenger lists. Unfortunately Ancestry only has passenger lists for inward travel to UK and only from 1878. David -----Original Message----- From: india-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of thiault francois Sent: 13 December 2010 19:57 To: india@rootsweb.com Subject: [INDIA] Good evening someone with a subscription to Ancestry cangive me information on my ancestor Gne Thiault immigration toEngland (Southampton) in 1843. thank you Good evening Someone with a subscription to Ancestry can give me information on my ancestor Gne Thiault (immigration to Calcutta via Southampton England) in 1843. Thank you François Thiault France

Dear Francois, You are actually able to look it up yourself, you only have to buy temporary credits to Ancestry, and it won't cost you a great deal, you'll also have control over exactly what you are looking for. The link for Pay Per View is http://www.ancestry.co.uk/subscribe/signup.aspx Best wishes Liz Researching Chater or Armenians in India and Hong Kong in 2010? Please go to www.chater-genealogy.com.