Hi All I wish to thank all of you who have had many good suggestions re my FF Archer and Elizabeth West who spent some time in Madras, 1885/86. I have received lots of help! Vicki

I seem to recall that someone was asking after the name DUNNETT recently, so I hope this information from the Domestic Occurrences in the Times of India for 1892 is of interest. DEATHS 1892 Monday 23rd May Issue May 3rd at 9 Brighton Place Portobello, Scotland, Eleanor Black Dunnett the dearly loved child of M.A. and A.B. Dunnett of Bombay aged 3 years and 2 months. Joan -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1183 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hello Patrick If you have the time , would you be kind enough to see if there is a Robert Patrick Mullins listed in your document? Family lore says that Robert was posted there for a time and was in charge of the Sawmills but not when. Any information would be gratefully received Regards Patricia "I have a document giving the list of government appointments in the Andaman and Nicobar islands of gazetted and non-gazetted officers. Roughly from 1904 to 1937. ........" Patrick

Sylvia Thankyou for all the information you sent me I am going to try through to use some of the names and maybe I will be lucky enough to find Cathrine's maiden name. Once again thanks from Doreen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Murphy" <sylcec@ihug.com.au> To: <india@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [INDIA] my ggrandmother's maiden name > Doreen > Using the new FamilySearch I have found 5 children of William Crawford or > Crowford and his wife Catharine baptised in Cawnpore: > Sarah Anne Crawford > birth: 08 Mar 1865 - Cawnpore, Bengal, India > parents: William Crawford, Catharine > > Richard Thomas Crowford > birth: 01 Aug 1867 - Cawnpore, Bengal, India > parents: William Crowford, Catharine > > Kate Constance Berta Crawford > birth: 02 Feb 1870 > parents: William Crawford, Catharine > > Charles Edward Matthew Crawford > birth: 23 Apr 1871 - Cawnpore, Bengal, India > parents: William Crawford, Catherine > > Eliza Crowford > birth: 01 Feb 1876 > parents: William Crowford, Catherine > > However, like you, I have not found a reference to a marriage of William > and > Catharine. > > You will need to look at one or more of the original baptism records to > find > out William's occupation and this may give you a clue as to where to look > next for a marriage record. The oldest daughter Sarah Anne Crawford will > be > on LDS film 499017 > > Sylvia > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Eric Streckfuss [mailto:strecky@optusnet.com.au] >> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 2:18 PM >> To: india@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [INDIA] my ggrandmother's maiden name >> >> Dear Listers, I am searching for my ggrandmother's maiden >> name. She was married to a William C Crowford or Crawford as >> they are referred to as a 'Cawnpore' family i would think she >> was born and burried there.She and William had 3 children >> born in 1865 1867 and1876 Ihave tried Maureen Evers Family >> search beta search but no luck.I have tried Families in >> British India I do not know if her name was Barron. My mother >> said something about h er but I cannot recall what it was. >> I was too young and emptiedheaded! to be interested. I hope >> some kind lister can help me Thanks from Doreen >> > > > ===== India Mailing List ===== > > Families in British India Society: http://www.fibis.org > > > Archives for this list can be found at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=INDIA > and at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INDIA > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Patrick I would be grateful if you could look for any name of Bonner or Peace that appear in your documents. The information below may be of help. Edwin Bonner (Junior) (my wife's ggrandfather) Born on 26th February 1852 in Bangalore and was baptized in St Mark's Church on 27th April 1854. Edwin Bonner (Junior) married Grace Peace (daughter of Charles Peace and Grace Thompson) on 26th November 1879 in the Methodist Church, St Thomas' Mount. Edwin having become a Store Sergeant in 1878 (at the age of 26), Edwin served in that rank while remaining on the UL in the Ordnance Department of the Indian Army, for 11 years. He became a Sub-conductor effective 13th February 1889, at the age of 37 and thus became a fully-fledged member of the Ordnance Department. Records show that he was employed under Local Service (LS) terms and that he had been awarded a medal or medals during or before 1889 - but that was in respect of a campaign while serving with the RA or as a member of the Ordnance Department has yet to be ascertained. Between 1889 and 1895 Edwin served in the "Arsenal Office" at Fort St George. In 1986 became an Assistant Overseer there. He was pensioned on 1st April 1896 (age 43), in Madras. Edwin was serving at St Thomas Mount during 1889, and at Port Blair, Andaman Islands, during the years 1902 to 1906, and that he was in Bangalore by 1912. where he died on 6th June 1912 as a pensioned conductor. He appeared in the 1906-1908 India Army Lists as being a pensioned Conductor based at Port Blair. However, the birth entry for his daughter Alexandria, born 22 Mar 1902, gives Edwin as being a Commissioned Overseer, Port Blair. Is it possible that Edwin (Junior) was employed as a prison overseer? Grace Elizabeth Bonner (my Wife's grandmother) Born on 2 Nov 1886 but not sure where. She married Charles Fennimore Cooper on 26th Jul 1906 at Port Blair. Charles was a Superintendent of Land Records and work in Burma, India and the Malay Straits and was living in Mergui at time of Marriage. His father William Henry Cooper was an Assistant Apothecary and later became a Surgeon, believed to be with the army! Vincent Edwin Bonner Peace Bonner Son of Edwin Bonner (junior) and married Grace Peace (daughter of Charles Peace and Grace Thompson) on 26th November 1879 in the Methodist Church, St Thomas' Mount. born on 11th May 1891 Vincent first marriage was to Beryl Chambers Owen on 1st Dec 1910 in Port Blair, where he was an overseer and that the couple had a daughter, Dorothy Peace Bonner. Vincent's re-married twenty-one years later, as a divorcee to Eileen Bertha Pearson on 9th Mar 1937 when Vincent resided in Calcutta and worked as a Forest Officer. What happened in these 20+ years is a blank. It would be interesting to know for how many years Vincent lived in Port Blair. His father Edwin (Junior) was posted there in 1896 when Vincent would have been about eight and we know that Vincent was working on the island as late as 1916 in, we think, the same profession as his father Edwin. Where did Vincent go to school, where did he work - was it at the prison like his father? Alexandra Peace Bonner Born 22nd November 1902, Port Blair I thank you in advance for looking for any information. Regards allan -----Original Message----- From: india-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Sent: 02 January 2011 11:42 To: india@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INDIA] Cellular Jail, Port Blair, Andaman Islands I have a document giving the list of government appointments in the Andaman and Nicobar islands of gazetted and non-gazetted officers. Roughly from 1904 to 1937. Dates of joining the service from Chief Commissioner, General Administration. Departments include Medical, Forest, Public Works, Marine, Police, Jailors, Sawmills, Agricultural, Treasury and a few other establishments. Some of the occupations, such as postal, cable and wireless are not listed in this document. Due to the age of the document and a poor printout, some names and details are not very legible. Included are date of birth, joined service, appointment, pay of appointment and remarks. For those who have ancestors buried in Port Blair, Aberdeen, a large or most of the cemetery was swept away by the tsunami on boxing day 2004. Patrick ===== India Mailing List ===== Families in British India Society: http://www.fibis.org Archives for this list can be found at: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=INDIA and at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INDIA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Apologies to Maureen, it was she who provided the advice re shipping records, not Shirley. Must have had one of those old timers moments... Robin

Pam I had a look in Ancestry and found the following details: Name: Mr Harold Thomas Moody Birth Date: abt 1917 Age: 55 Port of Departure: Rangoon, Burma Arrival Date: 7 May 1950 Port of Arrival: London, England Ports of Voyage: Colombo Ship Name: Derbyshire Search Ship Database:View the 'Derbyshire' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping line: Bibby Line Official Number: 164273 Harold is travelling with his wife Mrs Dorothy Woodward Moody age 47 but there are no children listed. His occupation is Chartered Electrical Engineer and the English address listed is: c/o British Industries and General Investment Trust Ltd, Dashwood House, 69 Old Broad Street, London EC1. Dorothy is listed as housewife and country of permanent residence is Burma. There is an earlier reference for him but he is travelling alone: Name: Harold Thomas Moody Birth Date: abt 1896 Age: 49 Port of Departure: Cape Town, South Africa Arrival Date: 25 Mar 1945 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England Ports of Voyage: Cape Town [Freetown] Ship Name: Andes Search Ship Database: View the 'Andes' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping line: Royal Mail Lines Ltd Official Number: 167337 English address is 68 The Grove, London N13. Occupation Electrical Engineer. Dorothy travelled separately: Name: Dorothy Woodward Moody Birth Date: abt 1904 Age: 42 Port of Departure: Durban, South Africa Arrival Date: 20 Jan 1946 Port of Arrival: Southampton, England Ports of Voyage: Durban [Cape Town] Ship Name: Carnarvon Castle Search Ship Database: View the 'Carnarvon Castle' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping line: Union-Castle Mail Steamship Company Ltd Official Number: 148766 Dorothy's English address is 5 Rosslyn Hill, Hampstead, London and it says Country of Last Permanent Residence is South Africa. On the same trip there is a John Moody aged 16, a student. I think he may be the son of Dorothy. He is recorded directly below Dorothy's entry and no address is given nor are there any ditto marks. There is also a Valerie Mary Moody aged 23 whose address is Holcombe House, Moretonhampstead, Newton Abbot. Her occupation is housewife. John and Valerie's last permananent address is also South Africa. Best wishes Penny (Willstrop) Denby Keston, Kent, England -----Original Message----- From: india-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of p.hislop@paradise.net.nz Sent: 03 January 2011 04:13 To: india@rootsweb.com Subject: [INDIA] Rangoon 1920's Harold Thomas MOODY md Dorothy Woodward FLETCHER in 1928, Rangoon. The last detail, before the above, I have on Harold is in the 1911 Census where he is living in Hornsey with his parents aged 16 and described as 'Learner at Electrical Engineering works'. There is a letter which describes him holidaying back in England in 1927 and purchasing a vehicle which he took back with him to Rangoon. I am trying to find out a little more about Harold and Dorothy and whether they had children and what he was doing in Rangoon? I would be grateful for any assistance anyone can give me....:-) Many thanks, in anticipation. Pam NZ ===== India Mailing List ===== Families in British India Society: http://www.fibis.org Archives for this list can be found at: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=INDIA and at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INDIA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello list Vicki asked about Shipping records and Shirley provided some good advice. Another suggestion is that many of the Australian records to and from Sydney have been indexed and digitised by Mary Anne Warner and volunteers. These can be searched at http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/ Also, the National Library of Australia is in the process of digitising all historical Australian newspapers and it was common to publish passenger and shipping movements in the local press. I have had some real wins finding people here when I could not trace them on the shipping records. Often the newspapers report names of all passengers, not just initials or Mr and Mrs too, so often more valuable. Go to http://www.nla.gov.au/ and search under the Australian newspapers tab on right hand side. Good luck! Robin

The 1895 edition is available through an Ancestry subscription. It may also be possible to purchase a CD-ROM of this edition from ArchiveCDbooks Ireland - it is still listed in their catalogue and they presently have a 50% off winter sale! http://www.archivecdbooks.ie/acatalog/india.html The Indiaman has apparently digitised the 1905 Thackers which is available on multiple CDs at enormous cost. Other than that you will need to go to a library which holds these (BL in England, State Libraries of NSW and WA in Australia). If you posted the names of interest, some kind person might even do a look-up for you! Cheers Sylvia > -----Original Message----- > From: JOAN B KELLEY [mailto:kelleyjb25@msn.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 11:44 AM > To: india@rootsweb.com > Subject: [INDIA] Thacker's Directory > > Mark, How do I get into Thacker's Bengal Directory? I have > a gfather who was the Post Master in Mussoorie in 1900. I > have other relatives in India in this time period. Thanks > for any help. Joan > > kelleyjb25@msn.com >

I have a document giving the list of government appointments in the Andaman and Nicobar islands of gazetted and non-gazetted officers. Roughly from 1904 to 1937. Dates of joining the service from Chief Commissioner, General Administration. Departments include Medical, Forest, Public Works, Marine, Police, Jailors, Sawmills, Agricultural, Treasury and a few other establishments. Some of the occupations, such as postal, cable and wireless are not listed in this document. Due to the age of the document and a poor printout, some names and details are not very legible. Included are date of birth, joined service, appointment, pay of appointment and remarks. For those who have ancestors buried in Port Blair, Aberdeen, a large or most of the cemetery was swept away by the tsunami on boxing day 2004. Patrick

Hello List Vicki said: Frank & Elizabeth Archer were believed to have had two children who died in India as well before they went back to England and subsequently emigrated to Australia. Could someone suggest how I check the passenger lists to find them, either on the trips to and from India and to Australia from England. Their first child born in Enfield Australia was born in March 1888. I suspect they paid their own way to Australia so it will be hard to find them. The FIBIS Fibiwiki "Passenger Lists" http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Passenger_lists has links for *Ancestry , which has UK incoming passenger lists 1878 - 1960 containing the names of people arriving at United Kingdom ports from places outside Europe, so Vicki may find a record here. *FindMyPast, which has UK outbound passenger lists 1890 - 1960 . However these dates are outside Vicki's range. Unless Vicki has evidence the family returned to England before migrating to Australia, it is possible they travelled directly from India to Australia. If the Enfield, Australia is the Enfield in Sydney, the NSW State Archives at the Rocks has microfilms of shipping records, but I'm unsure of the date range. I was looking at 1913, (without success unfortunately) Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

Hello List There has been an addition to the FIBIS Fibiwiki page "Directories online", under the heading Army Lists. The book is called "Lists of the officers of His Majesty's, and the Hon. Company's troops, serving under the presidency of Bombay. Adjutant General's Office. January 1st 1798 The link is available through http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Directories_online Also , for Joan who enquired, the FIBIS Fibiwiki page "Directories online" advises there is a 1895 Thacker's Indian Directory available through Ancestry. 1895 is also available on a CD, otherwise Thacker's is available at the British Library and some other large libraries. Cheers Maureen (Sydney)

Hi Patric,   Would it be too much to ask if you could see if the name Charles Edward Walker appears on your document.  According to my family myth, my Grandfather Charles for his WW1 service he was sent to the Port Blair Jail - don't know whether he served as a warder or a policeman.. Thanking you,   Chris - Langwarrin, Vic

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: joharrison150 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2566.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for the advice Maureen. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maureenr5 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2566.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Jo-Anne For information generally about records relating to India, see the FIBIS Fibiwiki Beginners' Guide http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Beginners'_Guide For a birth in Calcutta in 1922, try the British Library or LDS microfilms. Refer the FIBIS Fibiwiki page "Using LDS Microfilms", noting Calcutta was in the Bengal Presidency. http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Using_LDS_Microfilms Cheers Maureen Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maureenr5 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2565.5.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Harry Thomas/Thomas Harry HILL The new LDS Family Search site has the following Marriage records for India which have the names Thomas Henry Hill Groom's Name: Thomas Henry Hill Groom's Birth Date: 1818 Groom's Age: 34 Bride's Name: Caroline Ann Hepburn Bride's Birth Date: 1828 Bride's Age: 24 Marriage Date: 05 Jul 1852 Marriage Place: Allahabad, Bengal, India Groom's Father's Name: Thomas Hill Bride's Father's Name: Thomas Milner Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M75005-8 System Origin: India-EASy Source Film Number: 498990 Groom's Name: Thomas H. B. Hill Groom's Birth Date: 1841 Groom's Age: 23 Bride's Name: Ann Mccullock Bride's Birth Date: 1850 Bride's Age: 14 Marriage Date: 05 Aug 1864 Marriage Place: Roorkee Bengal, India Groom's Father's Name: Thomas H. Hill Bride's Father's Name: James Mccullock Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M02034-6 System Origin: India-EASy Source Film Number: 499027 Groom's Name: Thomas Henry Bartley Hill Bride's Name: Ethel Bates Prupia Bride's Birth Date: 1872 Bride's Age: 18 Marriage Date: 26 Apr 1890 Marriage Place: Simla, Bengal, India Bride's Father's Name: George Prupia Groom's Marital Status: Widowed Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M75035-5 System Origin: India-EASy Source Film Number: 510892 For information about searching for records relating to India, see the FIBIS Fibiwiki Beginners' Guide http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Beginners'_Guide Cheers Maureen Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi This is my first posting to this list and I am trying to find some details on Francis(Frank) Frederick ARCHER who spent some time in India and also his wife. Elizabeth West went out to India from England to marry Frank on 25 August 1885 at the Wesleyan Mission Church at Royapetta Madras. I have an advertisement which states: Mr Frank Archer, Practical Watch & Clock Maker from London - begs to inform the INHABITANTS OF COCHIN, that He is now here on a visit, and is ready to do all kinds of repairs to Watches, Clocks, Musical Boxes, Sewing Machines etc etc. Will call at private residences if required. CHARGES MODERATE. Apply to the above at Mr F B MICHAEL'S, SHIP SUPPLIER, PRINCES' STREET. I also have family papers that state he was at the Telegraph Works, Madras RY CO, ARCONUM, MADRAS, INDIA. Another letter is from a Lt Col E Begbie, Q's O Madras Sappers, dated 5 July 1885, Bangalore. It is addressed to Frank Archer and speaks about some work being done at (Mr) or Mt Helios.....My assistant, Quarter Master Sergeant Beard will arrive at Arconum....and look over the alterations. Frank & Elizabeth Archer were believed to have had two children who died in India as well before they went back to England and subsequently emigrated to Australia. Could someone suggest how I check the passenger lists to find them, either on the trips to and from India and to Australia from England. Their first child born in Enfield Australia was born in March 1888. I suspect they paid their own way to Australia so it will be hard to find them. I also welcome any contact with anyone tracing the same family. Thanking you Vicki

Mark, How do I get into Thacker's Bengal Directory? I have a gfather who was the Post Master in Mussoorie in 1900. I have other relatives in India in this time period. Thanks for any help. Joan kelleyjb25@msn.com

HI All I Wish everybody a very Happy and Healthy 2011 I thank Mark, Liz, Sylvia and Maureen for your informative and useful comments. Sorry for lack of information in my original email but I attach more information on the Bonner, Peace, Clough (Cluff), and Cooper Clans Edwin Bonner (Junior) Edwin Bonner (Senior) and his wife Elizabeth had 15 children, His son Edwin Bonner (Junior) was the second child and eldest son. Edwin Bonner Junior was born on 26th February 1852 in Bangalore and was baptized in St Mark's Church on 27th April 1854. Edwin Bonner (Junior) married Grace Peace (daughter of Charles Peace and Grace Thompson) on 26th November 1879 in the Methodist Church, St Thomas' Mount. The children of this marriage were:- Alice Ethel Bonner, born 10th July 1881 (Moira Breen's maternal grandmother - Moira is my wife's 2nd cousin) Margaret (Poppy) Bonner, born 28th November 1884 Grace Elizabeth Bonner, born 2nd November, 1885 (my wife's maternal grandmother) Vincent Bonner born 11 May 1891 Alexandra Peace Bonner, born 22nd November 1902, Port Blair Edwin having become a Store Sergeant in 1878 (at the age of 26), Edwin served in that rank while remaining on the UL in the Ordnance Department of the Indian Army, for 11 years. He became a Sub-conductor effective 13th February 1889, at the age of 37 and thus became a fully-fledged member of the Ordnance Department. Records show that he was employed under Local Service (LS) terms and that he had been awarded a medal or medals during or before 1889 - but that was in respect of a campaign while serving with the RA or as a member of the Ordnance Department has yet to be ascertained. Between 1889 and 1895 Edwin served in the "Arsenal Office" at Fort St George. In 1986 became an Assistant Overseer there. He was pensioned on 1st April 1896 (age 43), in Madras. Edwin was serving at St Thomas Mount during 1889, and at Port Blair, Andaman Islands, during the years 1902 to 1906, and that he was in Bangalore by 1912. where he died on 6th June 1912 as a pensioned conductor. He appeared in the 1906-1908 India Army Lists as being a pensioned Conductor based at Port Blair. However, the birth entry for his daughter Alexandria, born 22 Mar 1902, gives Edwin as being a Commissioned Overseer, Port Blair. Is it possible that Edwin (Junior) was employed as a prison overseer? Grace Elizabeth Bonner (my Wife's grandmother) Was born on 2 Nov 1886 but not sure where. She married Charles Fennimore Cooper on 26th Jul 1906 at Port Blair. Charles was a Superintendent of Land Records and work in Burma, India and the Malay Straits and was living in Mergui at time of Marriage. His father William Henry Cooper was an Assistant Apothecary and later became a Surgeon, believed to be with the army! Vincent Edwin Bonner Peace Bonner Vincent first marriage was to Beryl Chambers Owen on 1st Dec 1910 in Port Blair, where he was an overseer and that the couple had a daughter, Dorothy Peace Bonner. Vincent's re-married twenty-one years later, as a divorcee to Eileen Bertha Pearson on 9th Mar 1937 when Vincent resided in Calcutta and worked as a Forest Officer. What happened in these 20+ years is a blank. It would be interesting to know for how many years Vincent lived in Port Blair. His father Edwin (Junior) was posted there in 1896 when Vincent would have been about eight and we know that Vincent was working on the island as late as 1916 in, we think, the same profession as his father Edwin. Where did Vincent go to school, where did he work - was it at the prison like his father? Dorothy Peace Bonner is the Dolly in Mark Shand's book Travels on my Elephant. On page 126 he describes a meeting with Dolly Bonner at McCluskiegunge. Dolly is now dead and her house has been left to the church. I quote from the book "At "Bonner Bhavan" whose grand wrought iron gates were designed as peacocks, I talked with Dolly Bonner, a bitter but intelligent and controversial old lady .." I am looking for where the families lived what they did in Port Blair during these years. Would also like to hear from anybody else who is searching Bonner, Peace, Clough (Cluff), Cooper, Thomson, Korb in India, Burma and the Malay Straits. Regards allan

Hi Ann, An offshoot of our tree has a Constance Mary SPAIN marrying our Frederick William CLARKE in Calcutta in 1902. Mary was born/bapt cir 1885. Her father was R.G.SPAIN, mother and further details unknown. I also have a Sarah SPAIN, who married Henry Gray, in Canada I should think, they had one son that I know of, John Henry GRAY, b, 1830 in Canada, he then came Victoria, Australia for the gold rush. I don't believe there is any relationship between these families, but who knows. Are any of these in your tree? Happy New Year, ,-._|\ best wishes, / Oz \ jill , brisbane. \_,--.x/ jmglover@tpg.com.au v Happiness is a voyage, not a destination, There is no better time to be happy than... NOW