This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: 1_ljb48 Surnames: german, speechly Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2784/mb.ashx Message Board Post: To Whom It May Concern, In my family tree, I have this family by the surname of German. That it belongs to Charlotte A German and married to Samuel Speechly 1857. Their children Louise Speechly, Daniel Speechly born 1860-1871 this is yet to confirm, and Fredrick Edward Speechly. Sorry not sure when they were born. Also not sure when Charlotte H. German was born? Can you shed any light on this matter of the family please, as it would be most greatful. If you would like to get in touch here is my email: [ [email protected] ] Best Regards Lesley Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I have today received from the Familysearch new photocopying service death records of my Gt Grandparents Edward Lloyd died and buried at Kararchi Holy Trinity 8th June 1883 and the actual record gives the cause of death. Jane Wilson Lloyd his wife died Allahabad 31st August 1878 and died from Cholera. This is an excellent service and has only taken four weeks for these records to arrive in my e mail box and increased my knowledge of this family https://familysearch.org/blog/en/policy-change-patrons-requesting-photocopies-family-history-library-salt-lake-city-utah/ I was given this link from members of this list so thank you and hope others can use it too. Edna Palmer

I have the name Maneckji Pestonji Tuback born about 1827 probably in Bombay. He was Commissioner of the Baroda Police. He married a Parsi and his children were Parsi. His father may have been Pestonjee Merwanjee Tuback born about 1809. What I am having difficulty with is a Parsi having what appears to be a non Parsi surname. Is it not unusual if not unheard of particularly in those times for the children of a mixed Parsi non-Parsi marriage to be Parsees? I am guessing that Tuback is German and maybe Jewish. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? David

I would just like to ask if anybody out there has any connections with the Martin family especially Percival Lushington Stuart Martin ? I have tried 'knocking on several doors' so to speak with as yet no luck.It would be nice to hear from someone with any information regarding him & the family.My link is with his mother Amy Frances Gordon Stuart whom wed Richard Martin in 1890. Would be nice to receive word with a positive response. Kindest regards Allsworth Redman

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maureenr5 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2783.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I think the possibility of getting a copy of a death certificate from the authorities in India is so low as to be non existent. In any event you would need to know exact details. The FIBIS Fibiwiki page Birth and death registration has some background information. http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Birth_and_death_registration For other possible sources of information see the FIBIS Fibiwiki "Beginners' Guide" http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Beginners'_Guide Cheers Maureen Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: theclanpeter Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2783.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for the reply. I have had help from FIBI.They think this is Elizabeth Cutler b1861. But I am not sure that this is her. That is why I need more information, and i'm hoping that the Death cert. will give me this. Not easy to trace my family, also there is death in the Ranchi area of Wiiliam A Stuart b 1909 that I am wanting to trace, we think he died in 1966 appx, no luck there either we seem to be an elusive lot. Thank you Arcot Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Velvet23 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2783.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Have you tried contacting the India Office at the British Library in London. http://indiafamily.bl.uk/ui/IorIntro.aspx I have used them in the past & althought they are unable to provide all the information, they do give you enough to get started. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: smallishbonnie Surnames: Palmer Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2526.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is what I have found for u in regarding ur late uncle, go to this site:- I also related to the Palmer Families who lived in India, and who my late grandfather was married to Ada Louisa Georgeaina Palmer. The Bombay Explosion - Merchant Navy Officers www.merchantnavyofficers.com/bomEx.html Both the docks were situated behind lock gates and a further two ships were tied up ... on source of information either way it was a considerable amount in 1944. ... during adverse weather conditions two airmen were killed attempting to land their ..... son of Harold Palmer, Assistant Officer Commanding Bombay Fire Service. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Here is a HENRIQUES family group, who lived in Bombay, India. I hope that this posting assists some of you HENRIQUES researchers, on this list. Anthony Joseph HENRIQUES, son of Antonio Francisco and Maria Francisca HENRIQUES, was born about 1850. Anthony married (1) Luiza Quiteria dALMEIDA (c1857  1886) and they lived in Gorai, Bombay, where they had two children. Luiza, aged 28, died on April 22nd., 1886 and was buried with m.i. in mid-nave in Holy Magi Church, Gorai. Anthony married (2) Monica Francisca GOMES (c1863  1908). Monicas parents were Evaristo Francisco GOMES and Clara ESPERANCE from Bandra West. Anthony and Monica lived in Bandra, in Pali and in Boran. Anthony died on September 25th., 1904 and Monica on December 26th., 1908 and they were buried in St. Andrews churchyard, Bandra, just south of the statue of Christ the King. Anthony and Luiza, his first wife, had issue: A. Esperance Clementine HENRIQUES, born about 1882. On February 25th., 1904, in St. Andrews Church, Bandra, Clementine married Alexander Lawrence Nicholas DSOUZA. They had issue. B. Dr. Joseph Francis HENRIQUES (Dr. Joey), born in Gorai, on December 1st., 1883, baptized in Cavel, Bombay, on February 17th., 1884. Dr. Joey married Mary Quiteria DSOUZA. They had one child, a girl. Anthony and Monica, his second wife, had issue, all baptized in St. Andrews Church, Bandra: C. Guilhermina Adelaide Quiteria HENRIQUES, (red hair), born in Bandra on November 19th., 1890. On January 31st., 1910, in St. Andrews Church, Bandra, Adelaide married William Anthony de ALMEIDA - both were described as from Boran. They had issue. D. Luiz Estevao Evaristo HENRIQUES, born in Bandra on July 23rd., 1892, bp. in St. Andrews Church, Bandra, on August 8th., 1892. Luiz married May PIRES. They lived in Poona and they had issue. E. Wilhermine Rosa HENRIQUES, (red hair), born in Bandra on December 23rd., 1893, bp. in St. Andrews Church, Bandra, on January 7th., 1894. On May 3rd., 1915, in Cavel, Bombay, Wilhermine married Andrew C. HENRIQUES. They had issue. F. Felix HENRIQUES, born in Bandra. Later, he went away and disappeared from the family. He had a daughter with red hair. G. Luthgarde Agnes HENRIQUES, born on August 11th., 1896, in Bandra, bp in St. Andrews Church on August 11th., 1896. On May 20th., 1918, in Gloria Church, Bombay, Luthgarde married Nicholas F. ALMEIDA, of Kurla. They had issue. I would be delighted to share HENRIQUES family history notes with any descendant or researcher of this family, all cousins of mine. Best wishes. Peter Ferreira Toronto, Canada

This will be a step forward, but what a pity that it is FindMyPast that is doing this rather than Ancestry. A major issue with FindMyPast is that for many of its databases (I cannot say all because I have not used all of them) there is no 'browse' facility - that is, having looked at one page you cannot browse the pages either side or, should you wish to, browse the entire dataset. In contrast, on Ancestry you can browse the entire dataset. To give an example, FindMyPast released merchant seamen's records in 2012. The dataset is not browsable. The search fields are first name, surname, county of birth, place of birth, year of birth and discharge number. For the period in which I am interested, the discharge number is not relevant, and it would be desirable to search on register ticket number, but this number has not been transcribed and the search field does not exist. In practice searches are conducted on name, but this relies on the name being accurately transcribed. Otherwise, the searcher is reduced to guessing what the transcription may be - and believe me I have found some that were previously unknown to me. But some records of known seamen still elude me because I cannot browse the dataset. I am quite certain that the usefulness of the proposed digitised India Office records will be an order of magnitude greater if a browse facility is incorporated, and I would suggest FIBIS might like to liaise with FMP on this matter. For the record, I have a subscription to both the pay-to-view sites mentioned in this post. Noel

Hello List Norm, the FIBIS Fibiwiki has a page DNA http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=DNA For information, if you are a FIBIS member you can listen to a lecture in the Social Network section of the FIBIS website, and there is an article in a recent FIBIS Journal. If you are not a FIBIS member, there is reference to a book on the subject "DNA and Social Networking - A Guide to Genealogy in the Twenty-First Century" by Debbie Kennett Cheers Maureen (Sydney) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of norman archibald Sent: Friday, 1 March 2013 12:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [INDIA] Genetic Testing at 23andme.com Rohan, What test would you recommend I take to determine ethnicity.? Would you know if there is a specific test.?? Norm.

Noel wrote: I am quite certain that the usefulness of the proposed digitised India Office records will be an order of magnitude greater if a browse facility is incorporated, and I would suggest FIBIS might like to liaise with FMP on this matter. --ooOoo-- Of course, we are as anxious as all listers to see how matters will turn out when FindMyPast finally get on line and when this will be. It is some time since we have been in contact with them but understand that they are rather in the hands of the British Library in terms of how they present the India Office Records. It may be known that FMP has a contract with FIBIS whereby their visitors, who are unable to interpret some of the special terms, abbreviations, placenames, etc., will be led to our FibiWiki where we hope to provide explanations (free of charge). If, in general, anybody comes across terms and abbreviations which are not included in our wiki, please let us know and we shall try to learn and post them. It may be noticed that, in view of FMP's impending entrance into this pursuit, FIBIS Volunteers are currently focusing our efforts on the provision of data which do not appear in the formal India Office Records. These include BMD announcements from various newspapers and pictures of gravestone inscriptions. May I plea for any further volunteers to help with our work to extend our database further? Thanks and Good Hunting! Peter Bailey Chairman Families in British India Society www.fibis.org

Sorry David I hit the wrong key and sent the message before finishing. Joan Hi David Although a few years later than you have mentioned, on the FIBIS site there is a birth/baptism of a son to a Jacob SASSOON in 1885 shown in the Times of India as follows, plus a few other entries all in the T/India if helpful. Entry from Births 1885 Surname Sassoon Son or daughter son Gender m Place Byculla Year 1885 month Dec day 14 Exact Entry Dec 14 at Braganza Hall Victoria Rd Byculla the wife of Jacob E Sassoon Esq of a son Edition Year 1885 Edition Date 15 Dec Just in case Jacob E is the father of your Jacob, here is his marriage of Jacob in 1880 Entry from Marriages 1 January 1880 to 22 May 1880 Grooms Surname Sassoon Grooms First names Jacob Brides Surname Isaac Brides First names Rachel Place Byculla Year 1880 month Mar day 7 Register Entry March 7th at Braganza Hall Byculla by the Rev M Gindii Jacob the eldest son of Elias David Sassoon to Rachel the youngest daughter of Simon Hyam Isaac of Calcutta Edition Year 1880 Edition Date 10 Mar ALSO here is the death of the Jacob E SASSOON Esq in 1916 Entry from Deaths 1916 click to find all other "Surname"s with value "Sassoon" in "Deaths 1916" Surname Sassoon Given name(s) Jacob Place Bombay click to find all other "Year"s with value "1916" in "Deaths 1916" Year 1916 month Oct day 22 Register Entry Sir Jacob Sassoon Baronet died at his residence Braganza Hall Victoria Road on Sunday 22nd October 1916 Edition Year 1916 Edition Date 23 Oct You will find more information on the www.fibis.org site if the above fits with your SASSOON family. The person I am interested in is Jacob Ezekiel Ezra SASSOON born 1881/2. He was a Bombay based merchant. His wife's name was Annie and she was born in 1890/91. They had a daughter born about 1929 whose name was either Dorothy or Florence. That is all I have other than that like other Sassoons he appears to have been very wealthy. David Railton

Hi David Although a few years later than you have mentioned, on the FIBIS site there is a birth/baptism of a son to a Jacob SASSOON in 1885 shown in the Times of India as follows: Entry from Births 1885 Surname Sassoon Son or daughter son Gender m Place Byculla Year 1885 month Dec day 14 Exact Entry Dec 14 at Braganza Hall Victoria Rd Byculla the wife of Jacob E Sassoon Esq of a son Edition Year 1885 Edition Date 15 Dec Just in case he is the father of your Jacob Ezekiel here is the death of the Jacob E SASSOON Esq in 1916 The person I am interested in is Jacob Ezekiel Ezra SASSOON born 1881/2. He was a Bombay based merchant. His wife's name was Annie and she was born in 1890/91. They had a daughter born about 1929 whose name was either Dorothy or Florence. That is all I have other than that like other Sassoons he appears to have been very wealthy. I have read what I believe is the main book on the Sassoons in India and England 'The Sassoons: Portrait of a Dynasty' by Stanley Jackson and it makes no mention of him. Unlike the other Sassoons this man appears to have kept a very low profile. Does anyone have any ideas? David Railton ===== India Mailing List ===== Families in British India Society: http://www.fibis.org Archives for this list can be found at: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=INDIA and at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INDIA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rohan, What test would you recommend I take to determine ethnicity.? Would you know if there is a specific test.?? Norm.

David This is not a very helpful reply to your query, but I had a friend as a student, David Walker, now sadly deceased. He became a successful costume designer and told me he was related to the Sassoons through his mother, who looked very similar to my part-Indian grandmother. I will look for the card he sent telling me this just in case his mother was the Annie or Dorothy you mention. He met some of his distant Sassoon relatives. Sorry not to be more precise. Like you, I have come back to search but have got no further with my Indian ancestor. Dian

Hello List Warren, the information you want will be accessible from the FIBIS Fibiwiki page Medals, and the link there called "Medals for volunteers" http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Medals Cheers Maureen (Sydney) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Warren B Abbott Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 2:07 AM To: India Message Subject: [INDIA] Ribbons Dear listers, Would someone please describe the colour of the ribbons on the Volunteer Decoration and the Delhi Durbar Medal of 1911. Thanks very much Warren Abbott

I am coming back to a query I have raised on the List in the past, this time with a little more information. The person I am interested in is Jacob Ezekiel Ezra SASSOON born 1881/2. He was a Bombay based merchant. His wife's name was Annie and she was born in 1890/91. They had a daughter born about 1929 whose name was either Dorothy or Florence. That is all I have other than that like other Sassoons he appears to have been very wealthy. I have read what I believe is the main book on the Sassoons in India and England 'The Sassoons: Portrait of a Dynasty' by Stanley Jackson and it makes no mention of him. Unlike the other Sassoons this man appears to have kept a very low profile. Does anyone have any ideas? David Railton

Warren, 1. By 'Volunteer Decoration' I assume that you are referring to the Volunteer Officers' Decoration, instituted in 1892? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volunteer_Officers'_Decoration 2. The ribbon for the above was 38mm wide and dark green. There is a good description here http://www.northeastmedals.co.uk/britishguide/territorial_decoration/volunte er_officers_decoration.htm and a number of images that you can see via Google Images. 3. The information on the Delhi Durbar Medal of 1911 is here http://www.northeastmedals.co.uk/britishguide/the_delhi_durbar_medal_1911.ht m. Officially the ribbon is 32mm wide, dark blue with two central red stripes 3.5mm wide. However, some illustrations seem to show a lighter shade of blue. Once again there are a number of images that you can see using Google Images. 4. Medals are often found with replacement ribbons. Noel

Hi All, The price of the genetic testing service at 23andme.com was recently reduced to *$99*. I bought it a couple of months ago when it was $299. :( 23andme has a new feature called Ancestry Composition that can tell you fairly accurately if you have any South Asian ancestry. https://www.23andme.com/ancestry/recent/#ancestry-composition I found one previously un-known half second cousin through the service. They currently have only 200,000 people tested but are targeting to test a million by the end of the year. When I tested it took 3 weeks to get results, but results are now taking 8 weeks or more due to the backlog created by the revised prices. Regards, Rohan