Here is another BOCARRO family of East Indians from Maharashtra, India. Dr. Amador BOCARRO was born on July 3rd., 1851, in Cavel, Bombay (source: fibis extract from Bombay Almanac BMDs). Before 1882, he married Angela Theresa MISQUITTA. Dr. Amador was an active participant in the activities of the Bombay East Indian Association, which was founded in 1887. After some years in Cavel, he moved north-east, to practise medicine and to live in Manmad, India. Amador 82 died on October 31st., 1934. Amador and Angela had issue: a. Hubert Alexander BOCARRO, born in Bombay, on July 17th., baptized on July 28th., 1883, in the church of Our Lady of Health, Cavel, as Alexander Uberto Bocarro. On December 22nd., 1914, in Bangalore, India, Hubert married (1) Rhoda Renee COSTELLO (1889 – 1922). Hubert and Rhoda changed their surnames from Bocarro to BRYANT. Hubert was working in the railways, at Jabalpur / Jubbulpore, now in Madhya Pradesh, India. Rhoda Renee Bryant died on November 4th., 1922; Hubert and family were staying at Sankli Street, Byculla, Bombay, then. Hubert Bryant, widower, storekeeper, married (2) on April 2nd., 1923, Millicent Dennis 36, widow. Hubert died on July 13th., 1924, aged 40 years. Hubert and Rhoda had issue. b. Dr. Lionel James (Jim) BOCARRO, F.R.C.S., born October 1st., baptized on November 3rd., 1884, in the church of Our Lady of Health, Cavel, Bombay. Jim migrated to England. In Q3 of 1919, in Lambeth district, London, England, James L. Bocarro married Violet Hilda PENNEY. Dr. Jim had a practice in Bermondsey, in East London, England. Violet H. Bocarro died in Camberwell, London, about Q3 of 1956. James L. Bocarro died in Camberwell, London, about Q4 of 1956. No issue. c. Ianthe Mildred BOCARRO, born on February 2nd., probably in the late 1880s. On November 23rd., 1912, in Igatpuri, India, Ianthe married Joseph Francis BURGESS. Joseph and Ianthe probably lived in Pali Village, Bandra, Bombay, all their lives. Joseph died on August 17th., 1950, in Bombay, India; Ianthe Mildred Burgess died on March 7th., 1955 (m.c.), in Peckham, London, England. Joseph and Ianthe had six known children. d. Lydia Florence BOCARRO, born on June 4th., probably in the late 1880s. On June 3rd., 1918, in Manmad, India, Lydia married Lionel Hubert FRANCIS. Lydia Florence FRANCIS died July 20th., 1934 (m.c.). No issue. e. Ernest Francis BOCARRO, probably born in the late 1880s or the 1890s. On November 21st., 1928, in Bangalore, Ernest married Florence CASON. At some stage, this family lived in Jubbulpore / Jabalpur, India. Ernest and Florence had issue. f. Mabel Angela Marie BOCARRO, born on September 1st., probably in the 1890s. On June 6th., 1925, Mabel married Victor WHYTE. Victor and Mabel had 4 children. I would be delighted to exchange BOCARRO family history notes with any descendant of this family, all cousins of mine. Best wishes. Peter Ferreira Toronto, Canada.

Can anyone tell me if there are any passenger list for ships departing India for the UK in the years between 1910 and 1938 please. Have searched without success! Regards Hazel in NZ

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LisaStevenson58 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2773.1.2.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: It is Elsie Donnell. Her mother was Ella Fraser married to George Donnell. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Thanks to Maureen for the advice on the pensions lists which I am now reading. Have yet to check out the British Library for the Bombay Calendar - shame it isn't elsewhere as a trip to the UK is out of the question at present. Cathie

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: abthomp Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2773.1.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: OK, could you or Barb confirm her mum's maiden name? I have Elsie down as a Donnel but am not sure that is correct. I have vague memories of one of her sisters - Flora or Vi being a Fraser. Cheers Alan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LisaStevenson58 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2773.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: That's right. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: abthomp Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2773.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: OK, Barb as in Jack's grandaughter - Uncle Lauries daughter? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LisaStevenson58 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2773.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Alan, Thank you for clarifying all those Siviter Bakers! I am doing some research for Barbara Thompson, Jack's daughter. I know you have sent her some material and I have seen the photos - fantastic. Thanks again, Lisa Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: abthomp Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2773.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In regards to Betram Henry Baker, he died on board the HMAS Armidale off the coast of Timor in December 1942 when the ship was attacked by the Japanese. Cheers Alan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: abthomp Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2773.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Lisa Also note the William Siviter who died in 1943 was the son of Siviter Baker and Sarah Ann Wiseman. Siviter Baker was the son of Siviter Baker and Mary Hampton. Siviter Baker (Jnr) was apparently a very well known gemologist and also performed in the circus. If you check my tree for the Siviter born 1849, died 1829 you'll see some pics of him in his circus outfit. The pics were provided by Clive Baker who is Siviter (Jnr) great grandson. Cheers Alan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: abthomp Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2773.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Lisa The William Siviter Baker who died in 1958 in the 1st cousin twice removed The William Siviter baker who died in 1943 is my Great Uncle. His sister was my grandmother Minnie Baker who married my grandfather John (Jack) Thompson. John and Minnie had three children, Marjorie Einifred Thompson, Lawrence Siviter Thompson and my father Albert Maurice Thompson. Most of the info I have got on the Bakers is via my father for Minnies side of the family, from Clive Baker in the UK for the family of William Siviter who died in 1958 and from the Bakers in Melbourne who are descendents of Thomas Siviter baker who was another son of William Siviter Baker (died 1922) and Bridget Green. The Bakers are tircky with their use of a limited number of first names and everyone having the middle name Siviter - luckily enough there's a few bracnces of the family still around and kicking. There is actually yet another William Siviter Baker, born 1876 the son of Thomas Siviter Baker who was the son of Siviter Baker. This William ended up in the US somewhere. So after all that what is your connection to the Bakers? Cheers Alan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LisaStevenson58 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2773.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Alan, I have a death certificate for William Siviter Baker b. c1887 in North Melbourne to William Siviter Baker and Bridget Baker nee Green He died 31 August 1958 in Brunswick and was a printer by profession. He married three times: Hilda Chalmers Shaw in c1914, no issue Thelma Martin in c1919, issue Thelma Veronica, Bertram Henry d. bef 1958 & Joseph John Violet Myrtle Clarke in Richmond c 1937 no issue. William Siviter Baker is buried in Coburg Cemetery. In what way is this W S Baker related to you? I know that there is another William Siviter Baker b. 15. 4 . 1849 in Birmingham. He died in Caulfield in 1943. His parents were (William) Siviter Baker & Sarah Ann Baker nee. Wiseman. He never married. I believe this to be the connection to you. Any help sorting this would be greatly appreciated. Lisa Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello List Cathie Regarding the military history of William King, you would hope to find a service record on Find My Past. However, not all these records have survived, so perhaps he is one of the records you have already seen, or perhaps there isn’t one at all. You might be able to clarify this by looking at some other Army records. The following are explained in the FIBIS Fibiwiki page British Army, section Records http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=British_Army#Records * WO 116 Disability and all Royal Artillery pensions and perhaps *WO117 Pensions awarded to soldiers for length of service. These are available to download free of cost from the National Archives website. Another option is the WO120 records. If you can’t visit the National Archives Kew, these are available on LDS microfilm, There is also a book which you may be able to see at your library (perhaps inter library loan) called British Army Pensioners Abroad, 1772-1899 by Norman K. Crowder. As William King died in India there may be a brief entry here which should include his previous regiment, which would then enable you to trace him further The Bombay Calendar 1843 would probably be available at the British Library or similar Library Cheers Maureen From: Cathie Sherwood <[email protected]> Subject: [INDIA] William King, pensioner & baker & Catherine Casey Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2013 06:31:47 +1000 I have just received, virtually overnight from Family Search - a wonderful service - the register entries for the marriage of William King to Catherine Robson in 1842 and his death entry 4 years later in 1846 and have some questions about the information obtained.

Hello List John and Chrissy, The FIBIS Fibiwiki has a page “Miscellaneous tips” section “Find the meaning of words used in India” http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Miscellaneous_tips#Find_the_meaning_of_words_used_in_India or http://tinyurl.com/nf6wr5c This includes items such as Hobson-Jobson, available online. Also mention of later dictionaries, not available online, which you could try to source through your library (perhaps an inter-library loan) or buy second hand (eg through Abebooks http://www.abebooks.com) Cheers Maureen Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 07:08:03 +1000 > From: "John Wellborne" <[email protected]> > Subject: [INDIA] Re; Dictionary of English Indian words, terms and > their translations > > > Hello Listers, > > Can anyone direct me to an available, preferably on line, dictionary of Indian - English meanings. > > I am pacifically looking for terms, and Indian words, and their English translation, as commonly used during the British Raj. > Huzhoor=Lord, Badmash=scoundrel, Shabash= Bravo!, Sahib, Mensahib etc. > > Further to this what is the Indian word for the Indian greeting, where the hands are placed together, as if praying,and the head bowed > I believe that " Namaste" is a correct terminology ? > > Cheers > > John & Chrissy Wellborne > > Bundaberg, Queensland, > > >

John and Chrissy There is an interesting Wikipedia article on "namaste". Best wishes Mark O'Sullivan Bath

I have just received, virtually overnight from Family Search - a wonderful service - the register entries for the marriage of William King to Catherine Robson in 1842 and his death entry 4 years later in 1846 and have some questions about the information obtained. 1. On his marriage record he is listed as a widower, aged 34, and his occupation is Pensioner HM Service (I have assumed that the second letter is an M as it is difficult to determine). So would that mean that he is listed on the Chelsea pensioner records? I have searched those in FMP with limited success and found some which might fit with a big push. When William died in Nov 1846, his occupation was given as pensioner and baker at Bycullah. Are there any other sources which might prove to be helpful. I also checked arrivals in FiBIs and found a William King and Elizabeth King arriving on the same ship at Bombay, the Rachel, in Feb of 1842. The transcription states that he was a pensioner and the source is the Bombay Calendar 1843. I have searched for this book but can't locate any mention of it and wondered if anyone knew its location when it was transcribed or will it have been filmed as I would like to see the original entry? An Elizabeth King died in April of 1842 and I found this death in FamilySearch, with the spouse listed as W King (still waiting to get this record from Family Search) but the death is not listed in the Fibis records. I have made the assumption that the William King, pensioner, who arrived in Feb 1842 with his wife, Elizabeth, who died a few months later, is the same William King, pensioner and widower, who married Catherine Robson in Sept 1842. 2. The second query relates to Catherine Robson. On the marriage entry for her and William, she gives her father as John Casey. I found a marriage for a Catherine Casey to John Robson, in 1834 in Bombay and he died in 1841 but can't find any children from the marriage which seems highly unusual to me, even given the high death rate. Am I correct in this assumption? I also found a birth of a Catherine Casey, illegitimate, to John Casey and Grace in 1808 but this was in Secunderabad. Is this a likely person as it would make Catherine about 26 years old when she married John Robson and that seems very old for a first marriage in India? According to her son-in-law and granddaughter, she was very pretty. Any advice on these queries would be appreciated. Regards Cathie

John, would be a really good subject for FibiWiki. There are quite a few here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_Indian_origin and more (or repeats) here: http://www.wmich.edu/dialogues/themes/indianwords.htm Noel

Hello Listers, Can anyone direct me to an available, preferably on line, dictionary of Indian - English meanings. I am pacifically looking for terms, and Indian words, and their English translation, as commonly used during the British Raj. Huzhoor=Lord, Badmash=scoundrel, Shabash= Bravo!, Sahib, Mensahib etc. Further to this what is the Indian word for the Indian greeting, where the hands are placed together, as if praying,and the head bowed I believe that " Namaste" is a correct terminology ? Cheers John & Chrissy Wellborne Bundaberg, Queensland,

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: laura_foenander Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2800.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hi have you found the following i was wondering if you did to http://www.victorianwars.com/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=1051 James BROWN, 14th Foot, India 1870's Postby andalucia » 03 Jan 2009 13:59 Hi All looking for an ancestor who served in India, not much to go on, but here goes. James Brown born abt 1842 in Wavertree, Liverpool. married a Jane Ann ( sometimes written Ann Jane ) in Liverpool and had a daughter Elizabeth in 1867. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maureenr5 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.asia.india.general/2834.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Janice, yes the muster records are also available on LDS microfilm. Cheers Maureen Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.