There is the possibility your family member arrived in New Orleans. Many Central Europeans did so, and then traveled to states like Illinois and Indiana via river. They usually were headed for a friend or relative who was already in that region. Water travel must have been low cost. Others got to Chicago via water and foot, then took a single route to Minnesota. I can't remember the number but it is Foster Avenue on Chicago's North side. There are some books about these immigrant routes. Frank Sellers

boy this is a hard one.. might try the Clay Co Genealogical Society they are on the web or they can be reached at p o box 56 centerpoint in 47834 On 11 Oct 2002 19:56:53 -0600 [email protected] writes: >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Surnames: Stritch and Hovauzec >Classification: Query > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/xh.2ADE/1594 > >Message Board Post: > >My great great grandparents were married in Brazil in 1893. (Thomas >Stritch and Mary Hovauzec?) They were from Austria originally. They >had 9 children. The children and them ended up in Connecticut. Anyone >have any idea what would have made them come as far inland as indiana >and what might make them move to CT before WWI? Also do these names >sound familiar? I could also use suggestions about where there are >good resources for getting records. I live in New England so a sunday >drive to indiana is not an option and other than this marriage the >family on all sides is in New England so I'm out of my field here. > >Any contructive help appreciated. > >D James > > >==== INCLAY Mailing List ==== >Help support Rootsweb,become a member at; >http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

I have no idea of the family names that you are trying to find in Brazil but am interested in your James name. Are your James family also from that area of Indiana? My husbands great grandmother was an Emma Helen James and we cannot find her parents names so far. Story is that they are related to the infamous Jesse James. Are you also? Our Emma Helen was married and died in Vermilion County which is next to Clay County in Indiana. Thanks for your time. Kaye

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Stritch and Hovauzec Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/xh.2ADE/1594 Message Board Post: My great great grandparents were married in Brazil in 1893. (Thomas Stritch and Mary Hovauzec?) They were from Austria originally. They had 9 children. The children and them ended up in Connecticut. Anyone have any idea what would have made them come as far inland as indiana and what might make them move to CT before WWI? Also do these names sound familiar? I could also use suggestions about where there are good resources for getting records. I live in New England so a sunday drive to indiana is not an option and other than this marriage the family on all sides is in New England so I'm out of my field here. Any contructive help appreciated. D James

There is a photo of the Egner Coal Mine in the Mines and Miners Book at the Clay County Genealogical Society. I am not sure who the owners were, but the mine was up in Dick Johnson Twp. Mary

I am back trying to find descendants of and other information about John James Stewart and his wife, variously known as Jennie or Jean McCarty, McArthur, and other variations. Her obit in 1910 says that she was his widow, but I haven't been able to find when he died. She was buried in Cottage Hill cemetery, and although I've seen postings on this list about the cemetery, I paid no attention at the time. The obit says she was the oldest resident of Brazil and one of the oldest residents of Clay County. Her obit also says she was survived by 4 sons and 2 daughters. I have James, Archibald, Robert, and William; Janet and I don't know the other daughter. JAMES md Anna Wimsey. She died in 1909 and was survived by James and 7 children, Kate (Mrs. Bert Yocum), Della ( Mrs. William Freeds), Margaret, Peter, Frank, Paul and Helen. I know that the daughters had children--Yocum daughter b Feb 28 1910 and son b Aug 2 1907. Freads had a son John W b July 25, 1917. ARCHIBALD md Emma Brokaw and they had Alma, James, Jennie, and Lydia. ROBERT md Estelle Grimes and they had Agnes, who md John Huber, and George. WILLIAM md more than once and I can't determine any wife for certain except for Iva Hamilton. They were older when married, so it's possible he had children by earlier wives. I have the ancestors of this family way back into Scotland, and have a pretty good handle on other descendants in Vigo and Sullivan Counties. I've just started working on the Brazil bunch. Judy Dukes in Terre Haute

library used to have the old movie On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:54:35 EDT [email protected] writes: >The librarian at the Brazil Annex didn't think they have a movie, so >that's >why I asked the list. She's to let me know if she locates one. In >the >meantime, I found the 2001 posting about this. > >Brenda Robison >Indianapolis, IN >----------------------------------------- >Subj: Re: photo of downtown Brazil, 1900 >Date: 09/18/2001 6:12:34 AM Central Daylight Time >From: [email protected] >Reply-to: [email protected] >To: [email protected] > >you might contact Lynn's Pharmacy , Double N Diner, or the public >library.. >the first two have a few old pictures in their business places, the >last one >had a movie of Brazil the early years --- a few years ago haven't >viewed it >lately. > >>On 17 Sep 2001 20:55:21 -0600 [email protected] writes: > >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Classification: Query > >Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/xh.2ADE/1396 > >Message Board Post: > >I am looking for a photo of the business in downtown Brazil around >880-1920. >I am especially interested in a photo of my great grandfather's >(Herman H. >Egener) shoe shop which was located at 207 E. National. I am told it >was next >to the existing fountain, where the city offices are now. The >building is >gone. > > >==== INCLAY Mailing List ==== > > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

The librarian at the Brazil Annex didn't think they have a movie, so that's why I asked the list. She's to let me know if she locates one. In the meantime, I found the 2001 posting about this. Brenda Robison Indianapolis, IN ----------------------------------------- Subj: Re: photo of downtown Brazil, 1900 Date: 09/18/2001 6:12:34 AM Central Daylight Time From: [email protected] Reply-to: [email protected] To: [email protected] you might contact Lynn's Pharmacy , Double N Diner, or the public library.. the first two have a few old pictures in their business places, the last one had a movie of Brazil the early years --- a few years ago haven't viewed it lately. >On 17 Sep 2001 20:55:21 -0600 [email protected] writes: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/xh.2ADE/1396 Message Board Post: I am looking for a photo of the business in downtown Brazil around 880-1920. I am especially interested in a photo of my great grandfather's (Herman H. Egener) shoe shop which was located at 207 E. National. I am told it was next to the existing fountain, where the city offices are now. The building is gone.

IT must be at the Brazil Library for it isn't in the genealogy library. Mary

I made a note in Sept 2001 that says the Clay Co Library has an old movie of Brazil, IN. The info probably came from a posting on this list. Does anyone have any details? Which library has the movie? What year was it made? Has it been transferred to video? Video for sale? Brenda Robison Indianapolis, IN

Saw your post on William Millard Green. If he was your ggrandfather we would be some kind of cousins. I am the grandson of his youngest brother John Deck Green that lived in Clay County from his birth, July 4, 1869 until he died from a coal mining accident, March 1, 1910. Please write me privately, I am sure we both have information we could exchange. Harold "Wayne" Green Indianapolis, IN (formerly of Clay County) [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Green, Foulke, Helderman Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xh.2ADE/1593 Message Board Post: I am looking for any information about the family of my ggrandfather, William Millard GREEN, born 1868 (possibly in Clay Co.), died 1 Jul 1942, Linton, Greene Co., IN. Married Fannie Pearl FOULKE 29 Sep 1889, Clay Co., IN. (she b. 1871, Clay Co, d. 1942, Linton, Greene Co.) Eight children: William Edward, Sadie May, Leonard Rue, Phoebe Ellen, Wynne Victoria, Theodore Millard, Harry Elmer, & Robert. Thank you.

You're right, the mortality index is for the 12 months preceding the census date. Thanks for the information about Indianapolis. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "lmitch" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [INCLAY] Mortality list/Mattox > You can call the Indiana State Library in Indianapolis, genealogy division, > and they have an index to check the mortality index for a name you seek. > They can't give you the info from the index, as I understood it, just tell > you if your person is listed. I know you want 1860, but for the 1880 census > she told me the person had to die between June 1879 and June 1880. My person > died in January 1879, so I was out of luck. I don't know if it is exactly > the same sequence of months for 1860. If you decide to call, I had to try > about 10 times over several hours before I got through with another question > today. 317-232-3689 I believe they close at 4 or 4:30 today, but on > Thursday are open until 8:00, possibly later. Anyway, there are evening > hours on Thurs. so you might get through anytime up until 8.... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Strahle" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:26 AM > Subject: [INCLAY] Mortality list/Mattox > > > > Is the a Mortality List for the 1860 census in Indiana? I am looking for > the death of a John B Mattox who was most likely the son of Baptist Mattox. > John can be found in the 1850 census in the household of Baptist. John > marries Maria J Neal in Clay Co in 1855. In the 1860 census, Maria is > listed as head of household with a child b c, 1859 so there is a good chance > that John died in the year proceeding the census. > > > > Bill Strahle > > > > > > ==== INCLAY Mailing List ==== > > This list brought to you by Rootsweb,be sure to check us out at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > ==== INCLAY Mailing List ==== > >

You can call the Indiana State Library in Indianapolis, genealogy division, and they have an index to check the mortality index for a name you seek. They can't give you the info from the index, as I understood it, just tell you if your person is listed. I know you want 1860, but for the 1880 census she told me the person had to die between June 1879 and June 1880. My person died in January 1879, so I was out of luck. I don't know if it is exactly the same sequence of months for 1860. If you decide to call, I had to try about 10 times over several hours before I got through with another question today. 317-232-3689 I believe they close at 4 or 4:30 today, but on Thursday are open until 8:00, possibly later. Anyway, there are evening hours on Thurs. so you might get through anytime up until 8.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Strahle" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: [INCLAY] Mortality list/Mattox > Is the a Mortality List for the 1860 census in Indiana? I am looking for the death of a John B Mattox who was most likely the son of Baptist Mattox. John can be found in the 1850 census in the household of Baptist. John marries Maria J Neal in Clay Co in 1855. In the 1860 census, Maria is listed as head of household with a child b c, 1859 so there is a good chance that John died in the year proceeding the census. > > Bill Strahle > > > ==== INCLAY Mailing List ==== > This list brought to you by Rootsweb,be sure to check us out at > http://www.rootsweb.com/ > > > >

Is the a Mortality List for the 1860 census in Indiana? I am looking for the death of a John B Mattox who was most likely the son of Baptist Mattox. John can be found in the 1850 census in the household of Baptist. John marries Maria J Neal in Clay Co in 1855. In the 1860 census, Maria is listed as head of household with a child b c, 1859 so there is a good chance that John died in the year proceeding the census. Bill Strahle

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xh.2ADE/37.74.1.1 Message Board Post: Mary, Those names are unfamiliar to me. My White family is mostly from Putnam Co, IN. Sorry. Will keep you in mind if I do get any info on these two. Lynnda

There were NEES in Clay Co. Indiana

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Fernsel, Hinote Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/xh.2ADE/361.1.3 Message Board Post: Are you still looking for Indiana Fernsel's' I have a little more information... BIOGRAPHY DIRECTORY HISTORY POLITICS RELIGION This lists the Town, Acres owned, Farm Location, Where born, Date born, and Date Arrived in USA ============================================= Fernsel, John Ashboro 80 Sugar Ridge Germany 1834 1866 Fernsel, Philip Ashboro 165 Suger Ridge Germany 1828 1854 Fernsel, J. P. Ashboro 140rntSuger Ridge Clay Cnty 1867 This is the first I have had mention of Uncle Jacob. ============================================= Name First Name Died Age Page Paper 1880 FERNSEL ELIZABETH 61/05/01 81 02 TRIB 1897 FERNSEL GEORGE F. 55/08/02 58 02 TRIB 1834 FERNSEL JOHN 21/08/27 87 02 TRIB 1862 FERNSEL MATILDA P. 45/12/12 83 02 TRIB 1883 FERNSEL MONROE 53/09/23 70 02 TRIB 1900 FERNSEL ROY D. 65/04/17 65 22 SPEC 1900 FERNSEL ROY D. 65/04/20 65 25 BUYG 1874 FERNSELL JACOB 29/04/23 55 01 TRIB 1874 FERNSELLMARTIN G. 51/12/15 77 02 TRIB These dates could have been when born by subtracting death years from death date TRIB = Tribune ============================================= Fernsel, Philip Ashboro 165 Suger Ridge Germany 1828 1854 ============================================ I believe Philip to be the great grandfather of my Joseph and came to US at that time. I can not find his wife's name and the connection to the rest buried in the cemetery in Ashboro though I believe he is related. There are not a lot of Fernsels in Indiana and Ashboro is a very small town. I will write the cemetery as I have seen the graves but at that time I was not into geneology. We now live in Florida and don't travel that much back to Indiana. Our son has been to Germany several times and thinks he has been close to his Roots and not known that this was the place. Do you live near where they are from over there? Are you a Fernsel? I wrote about Aunt Polly. Did you read my message? Are you still hunting the Indiana Fernsels?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hinote Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/xh.2ADE/361.2 Message Board Post: Indiana Hinotes! Are you still looking for the Hinotes in Indiana. I have information on our line back to William. I have hit a brick wall there. If you can give me any help I would appreciate it. I was in contact with Mary Putman. Is she still there. I hope nothing has happened to her. Here is what I have if you are interested. William Hinote - b. Putnam Cnty, IN & Elizabeth Fernsel b. Ohio Clay County Indiana 1998 recent death list HINOTE, William 11 Nov.1901, 53 y. ============================================= Clay County, Indiana Index to Marriage Record 1860 - 1920 Inclusive Volume I Letters A to H Inclusive Original Record Located in County Clerk's Office Brazil W. P. A. Compiled by Indiana Works Progress Administration 1940 County: Clay Name: Mary E Fernsel Spouse: William Highnote Marriage Date: 07 Mar 1880 Book: 5 Original Source Page: 106 County: Clay -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clay County, Indiana Index to Marriage Record 1860 - 1920 Inclusive Volume I Letters A to H Inclusive Original Record Located in Cnty Clerk's Office Brazil W PA Compiled by Indiana Works Progress Administration 1940 Name: William Highnote Spouse: Mary E Fernsel Marriage Date: 07 Mar 1880 Book: 5 Original Source Page: 106 ============================================= Clay County 1900 Census Township: Sugar Ridge Page: 2 Birthdate Age Born Born Born ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wm. Head Dec. 1846 53 Indiana Indiana Indiana Elizabeth Wife Nov. 1852 47 Ohio Germany Germany Alice Daughter May 1882 18 Indiana Indiana Ohio Wm. F. Son March 1883 17 Indiana Ohio Nancy C. Daughter June 1885 14 Indiana Indiana Ellen B. Daughter Jan 1888 12 Indiana Indiana Harry H. Son Nov 1890 9 Indiana Indiana Carl J. Son March1897 3 Indiana Indiana Married March 07, 1880 ============================================= Mary Elizabeth would have been 28 years old when married and she would have been 45 when Carl was born.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Nees Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xh.2ADE/411.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Kris, I'm researching my line through Indiana - William Jackson Nees b 1830 Carroll County, Albert Nelson Nees b 1856 Clinton County. Do you have any information on the Nees tree that might connect? Thanks. Larry