This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Kent, Funk, Cahall, Snyder, Masterson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/xh.2ADE/1636 Message Board Post: Looking for info on Jacob Kent and his wife Mary Funk Kent. They had children Isaac Kent and Clara Kent (Cahal). Isaac was in the Indiana 133rd Regiment in the Civil War. Clara married Enoch Cahall. Isaac married Martha Snyder (1) and Samantha Masterson (2). Seeking any info on this Clay County family.

This site might help. It starts off showing the changing state boundaries through the census, but if you click on Indiana, it shows how the county boundaries changed. http://www.negenealogy.com/ngo03.htm Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "jfrench1" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 10:18 PM Subject: [INCLAY] County line confusion > > My WHITE line shows up in Harrison TWP, Clay Co. IN in early 1800's. Then > as I trace them through the years they appear to move from Clay Co. to > Orange Co. to Center TWP, Greene Co., and then to Washington TWP, Brown Co. > In the 1900 Census, it shows some of them own their farms free and clear. > Is it possible they stayed in 1 or 2 places and the county lines changed? > > Perhaps someone can direct me to a site that has pictures of the changing > county lines. > > Jeanette S. French > [email protected] > > > ==== INCLAY Mailing List ==== > To contact the INCLAY list owner,send a message to; > [email protected] > >

Doris Neal, Are you still monitoring this list? I haven't seen you on line lately and we on the Clay List miss your assistance with Lewis Twp. research. Mary

My WHITE line shows up in Harrison TWP, Clay Co. IN in early 1800's. Then as I trace them through the years they appear to move from Clay Co. to Orange Co. to Center TWP, Greene Co., and then to Washington TWP, Brown Co. In the 1900 Census, it shows some of them own their farms free and clear. Is it possible they stayed in 1 or 2 places and the county lines changed? Perhaps someone can direct me to a site that has pictures of the changing county lines. Jeanette S. French [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Maurer Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xh.2ADE/955.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Was your Maurer related to Peter Maurer, because that is where he settled in Clay County, I think he has great-grandchildren there yet. Peter came from Germany in 1852, settled first in penn, Ohio, and the Vermillion co. and then to clay county. He was in the Civil War. Let me know if you find a relationship. The Clay County Historical Society have a few records on Peter.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/xh.2ADE/955.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Harry, my g-grandfathers sister married James Leander Maurer. His family came to the U.S. in the early 1800's and first settled in or near Altoona, Pa. They later relocated to Clay Co., Indiana. James Leander's grandfather was Jesse Maurer. Sorry I couldn't help you with your branch. Steve

Some Pucketts are buried in Sanders Cemetery, Lewis township.

what cemetery do you need and who out of it do you need. On 20 Jan 2003 09:08:42 -0700 [email protected] writes: >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Classification: Query > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/xh.2ADE/1458.3.1 > >Message Board Post: > >Thanks. However, the cemetery I have an interest in is thought to be >located in Lewis Twp., Clay County, IN. > > >==== INCLAY Mailing List ==== >Be sure to visit the InGenWeb site for links to all Indiana Counties; >http://www.ingenweb.org/ > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Maurer Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/xh.2ADE/955.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi, Ny name is Harry G Maurer and I live in El Oaso Texas. My father name was Leopold Maurer, His younger brothers name was Anthony and they immigrated into the United States from St Valentine Austria about 1924 to 1926. If you have info please email me Thanks [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Clay County Indiana GenWeb site Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/xh.2ADE/1458.3.1.1 Message Board Post: If you go to Rootsweb, actually access the Clay County Indiana GenWeb project, perhaps you can get a lookup. Pucket Cemetery is listed however it appears no one has posted names of people buried there. Good luck.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/xh.2ADE/1458.3.1 Message Board Post: Thanks. However, the cemetery I have an interest in is thought to be located in Lewis Twp., Clay County, IN.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/xh.2ADE/1458.3 Message Board Post: There is a Puckett Cemetary in Bartow County, Cartersville, GA. It is between Cartersville and Emerson, GA.

I hope that this is not a duplicate to anyone, but thought that it might be of use for those of you that are interested in Genealogy ... I have removed the mailer's name for their privacy. I received this from one of genealogy mailing lists that I am subscribed to, and thought that you might find it interesting and/or enlightening. -- Jon Kilburn homepages: http://www.kilburn.org/ email: [email protected] or: [email protected] ---------- SPELLING DOESN'T COUNT by Donna Przecha Frequently when you ask beginning researchers what surnames they are working on they will say, "Browne - with an e" or "Vaughan - that's an" or "Prichard - without the t." While it may seem that they are being extra careful to get the right family, they may be making a big mistake. When it comes to old documents, spelling doesn't count, especially with names. Instead of narrowing the field of research with exact spelling, it is important to enlarge it as much as possible with every possible spelling. One researcher said she could add five generations onto another researcher's line, but the second person wouldn't accept the information because the name was spelled Browne and her family only used Brown. Prior to Samuel Johnson publishing the first Dictionary of the English Language in 1755, there were no spelling rules. Even today there really are no rules for spelling names. You can spell your name any way you want. With modern records, once you have a social security card (now issued at birth), a birth certificate and a driver's license or passport, it is usually too much trouble to vary the spelling. Records are computerized, can easily be crosschecked and if everything doesn't match exactly, you don't exist! While a person is pretty much committed to the parents' way of spelling the surname, it is easy to see there are even fewer rules nowadays for spelling first names. Sherry may be Sherree, Sheri or even Shayree. Laurie could be Lori, Laurey, Lauree, Laury, Lory, Lorie, Loree, etc. Unusual given names might be spelled phonetically in documents. Given names, then as now, often had nicknames. While Liz or Beth for Elizabeth is easy to understand, in many cases, the nickname used in the 17th century does not stand for the same name today. Polly was a common nickname for Mary. Marguerite might be called Daisy since the former is the French word for the flower. For more information, see Sue Roe's list of nicknames. Also consider nicknames during the research process. As previously mentioned, nowadays people are usually consistent in spelling their surnames. Why weren't our ancestors consistent? There are two big reasons: 1) The ancestor may not have been literate and 2) the record was created by another person. If the ancestor was unable to read and write, he may not have known how to spell his own name at all. Even if he had memorized the spelling, a literate person recording the information may not have asked. Records we use for research are mostly church records, civil records, wills and census records. These were usually written by a non-family member - a clergyman, census enumerator, town or county clerk. The recorders may have thought they knew best how to spell a name and did not even bother to ask. The illiterate farmer would not presume to correct an educated minister. For more information on common variations and why they occurred, see Genealogy.com's Name and Word Spellings. You should write down every possible spelling variation and check each one. This can be time consuming in an alphabetical list (much easier if it is Soundex) but it is essential. The name Truesdell can begin Trus or Trues and end with dale, del, dell or dle - quite a few possibilities. However, one essential marriage record was recorded as Trasdle - and missed because the researcher (yours truly) did not cast a wide enough net! The family, of English origin, lived for a while in Quebec where there are many French families named Truedell. Strangely enough, these two names never seemed to be used interchangeably. However, it is necessary to scan the Truedells in an index looking for any with English given names. You may find in an area two surnames that are very similar but it almost seems that everyone knew they were different and made a special effort to keep them straight in records. Another reason for spelling variations could be an accent when saying the name. It is very difficult to know what type of accent a person had 300 years ago. One name that has two different spellings is Royce and Rice. To American ears this seems very different, but anyone who has watched an English TV program is probably aware that people with heavy regional accents may say "royte" for "right." On the other hand, if you have watched Archie Bunker on TV he routinely says "chice" (rhyming with rice) for "choice." So either spelling, Royce or Rice, might be pronounced either way, depending on the accent. If this can happen with a one syllable English name, think of the possibilities with foreign names. When researchers find letters or wills that they believe were written by their ancestors, they are sometimes dismayed by the spelling and grammar they find - "was borned" in the family Bible is not unusual. Since there were no spelling rules prior to 1755 in England or, 1828 in the U.S. when Noah Webster published the first American dictionary, you should not worry about spelling. Prior to 1755 everyone spelled as they deemed fit. Since English words come from Latin, Greek, Anglo-Saxon, German, Danish, French and a host of other languages, there are many different ways of forming the same sound, depending on which language rules you are following. One scholar might have felt it appeared more learned to use Latin or French roots whereas a more practical person might feel a word should be spelled as it sounded - bot, not bought. (This argument continues to this day with many linguists proposing radical changes in spelling so that words are spelled as they sound. This would make spelling easier for future generations but would create years of confusion for those who learned the old rules.) Even in the 19th century it is obvious from looking at letters and wills that standard spelling still was not widely accepted. Since no spelling rules existed prior to 1755 in England and 1828 in the U.S., expect to find a broad range of spelling and grammar styles. Census, parish and vital records usually contain fairly standard information so spelling of words is not too much of a problem. Some of these records may contain occupations that may be spelled in a variety of ways - joyner or joiner (carpenter). The bigger problem usually is an obsolete occupation or name. There are several Web pages that will help you decipher cordwainer (shoemaker) or husbandman (tenant farmer). Beginners often make two common mistakes when reading handwritten documents. They create spelling errors where none exist because they do not know that some letters used to be written differently. The word we usually read as "ye" as in Ye Olde Shoppe is not a strange, outdated word at all. The letter that appears to be a y is actually a character known as a thorn that stood for the letters "th." "Ye" is actually a very modern "the" using an outdated symbol. In both typeset and handwritten documents, it appeared that words with two esses were spelled fs. (For more information on reading old handwriting see Sabina J. Murray's Deciphering Old Handwriting.) The letter that appears to be an f is actually the accepted way of writing the first s. It was never intended to represent an f. The silent e on the end of almost any word was common. Doubling letters was also popular - "shoppe" being a good example of both. Perhaps the writers felt these extra letters gave the word more substance and somehow made it more important! Familiarize yourself with characters that are no longer used in everyday language. Reading wills can be a genealogist's biggest challenge. They will probably be handwritten so you will have to try to decipher the script. Spelling will be inconsistent with words being spelled differently within the same document. The terms will often be archaic so not only will you not know the correct spelling, you might not know what it is even when spelled correctly. One very helpful publication is A Glossary of Household, Farming and Trade Terms from Probate Inventories by Rosemary Milward (Derbyshire Record Society, Occasional Paper No. 1). While this applies primarily to terms in English wills, many of those terms will be found in American wills. It contains many variations for some of the words. For example, mattress could be mateshess, materes, materessy, matrice, matrysey or ploughs might appear as plows, plogthes, ploes, plawes, plaghes, plowgthes, plose, ployths or plosse. You need to be careful in sounding out words because it would be easy to confuse ploughs in one of the above variations with pillows which could be peylowes, pyllas, pillues or pelowys. Unfortunately, in wills items are often listed with no description and no context to give a hint where or how it was used. While these terms are modern words when spelled one way, you will run across terms that have no modern equivalent. You might wonder what a joynt table or cabinet might be. It simply meant a piece of furniture made by a joiner. A maunde (mande, mawnde) was a wicker basket and a portmantle (portmantue, portmanoe) a trunk, words you might not find in a modern dictionary. When you are working with words you know might be out of date and spelled differently, you must be very careful. If you see "lyckerd butts", you might assume that they are a number of casks (butts) storing alcoholic beverages but it actually refers to the tanning of leather used for soles of shoes.If you assume the "cressett" is a reference to the family crest, you will be disappointed to learn it is a small iron vessel to hold oil to be burned as a torch. While a sake, secke or seike is what it appears - a sack - sacke is the name of dry Spanish white wines imported from early in the 16th century. Noggin or nogging is not a head, but a small drinking vessel. It can also refer to a small quantity of liquor. Hassocks are not footstools but tufts of rushes or coarse grass. When dealing with unfamiliar terms and spellings it is best to seek guidance from an experienced researcher. When dealing with unusual terms and spelling, it might be a good idea to consult someone more experienced in that field to make sure you are not starting down the wrong path that could cause you much wasted time and money. About the Author I began genealogy in 1970 when we were living in Ogden, Utah for a short time. I was immediately hooked when, on my first visit to the local Family History Center, I found my great-grandparents in the 1850 Ohio census. I have been researching ever since on my own family and for others. I soon recognized the value of computer programs for keeping track of the data. I was a founding member of the Computer Genealogy Society of San Diego and editor of the newsletter. I have written a third party manual on ROOTS III and, with Joan Lowrey, authored two guides to genealogy software. Using ROOTS III and WordPerfect, I have written several family history books for others, but have yet to stop researching long enough to complete my own family history! ==== TNWAYNE Mailing List ==== Visit the Wayne County, Tennessee Genealogy and History Page at http://www.netease.net/wayne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/2816/xh.2ADE/197.1 Message Board Post: My great grandfather Michael Stufflebeam lived in West Lebanon, In and also lived and farmed north of Danville, Illinois. He also passed away in that region. He was married twice. His first wife was named Marilla Butler and they had three daughters. After the death of Marilla he married again and they had a daughter , also named Marilla. We do not know what happened to the younger daughter after her father passed away. My grandmother, Minnie Stufflebeam Meitzler Kidwell, was one of the three daughters. The will is at the courthouse in Danville, Illinois.

Hello there! Can anybody help me out with my family line of the summervilles in Clay county. here's where i began... Perry S. Summerville married a shattuck. they had my great grandfather William Summerville who had my great grandfather Tony Summerville. Tony summerville married Alma Nina Bender (Alma had 12 brothers and sisters, she was born in vigo county but then moved to Clay county where she married Tony Summerville (Brazil Indiana) They had my grandmother, mary margaret summerville who in turn married a man named frank royce who was adopted when he was a child. (he is somebody i have no idea who or where he is!) Then low and behold my mother came out and here I am searching for information and long lost relatives... Surnames: Shattuck, Summerville, Bender, Royce, Smith Counties: Vigo, Clay, Indiana! Thank you so much, Shannon Smith

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Moss Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xh.2ADE/785.1.1.2 Message Board Post: Don, I wondering how far back you've traced the Moss line that you have. If your Moss ancestors include George W. and wife Katherine, I would like to know if you know where in Virginia or North Carolina they came from. Also, would you happen to know who their parents are? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Brian

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Gardner, Rankin Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xh.2ADE/1634.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Sorry! It is the wrong family. I don't know the exact date of John Rankin's birth, but I know he was the son of Robert Rankin and Ellen Gardiner. They came to Clay County, IN in about 1884 from Wishaw Scotland. Ellen Gardiner/Gardner was the sister of my my husband's grandfather, Thomas Gardner. Mary

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Rankins Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xh.2ADE/1634.1.1 Message Board Post: John Thomas Rankins was my grandfather. Born 9 Jul 1881 to Joseph Rankins and America Sevier in Missouri. He was married to Edna Jane Moore on 21 Dec 1912 in Greene Co., In. and died 30 Jul 1969 in Greene Co., Indiana and was burried in Center Ridge Cemetary, Sulivan Co., Indiana. Any of this sound familiar? He had two brothers : James (b. Sullivan, In.) and William and 6 sisters.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/xh.2ADE/1635 Message Board Post: I was checking out FamilySearch this evening and saw that someone has submitted information to the LDS Church site that Levi Fogle was the son of Israel Fogle and Elizabeth Kuhn. The Levi Fogle b 22 Dec 1838 in Ohio, d 8 Mar 1921 in Center Point, Clay County, Indiana, was the son of John Fogle and Mary Dorotha (Vetter?). Israel and Elizabeth were married 17 Sept 1843 in Tuscarawas County, Ohio, several years after Levi was born. Levi can be found with his parents in the 1850 census of Noble Twp., Wabash County, Indiana. The family moved to Clay County, Indiana ca 1855. Levi married Elizabeth Sinders 2 Dec 1858 in Owen County, Indiana. I have some great family photos I'd be happy to share with anyone descended from Levi and Elizabeth.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xh.2ADE/1634.1 Message Board Post: What do you know about John Thomas Rankin? Where and when was he born? I am familiar with one Rankin family in Clay County, IN. Ellen Gardner married Robert Rankin about 1865. Is this the parents of your John? Mary