Delores, Are you aware of the Tefertellers in IL in 1870 and MO in 1880s? I saw one who would be about Margaret's age; maybe a brother-in-law? Wondering if thats where they were headed. The others are from TN and KY. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: Delores K To: INCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 5:16 PM Subject: RE: [INCLAY] Teferteller Hello Sharon. This is great, yes Minerva's parents were George Teferteller and Margaret Farr, although he had died just before Margaret moved to Clay Co. IN. Now I know why I could not find Edward N Hawkins ever again. I hadn't thought about Minerva marrying again. I can't believe how the spelling of Teferteller get so messed up. One time I found the T as a J. Anyway, you gals are great. Thanks millions. Delores -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Turner [mailto:rzgrdn@rushmore.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:49 AM To: INCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INCLAY] Teferteller In addition to Minerva's marriage to Edward Hawkins in 1880, it appears that there was a second marriage: Manerva Teffitollee, d/o George and Margaret Farr, md (no name given) Sept 23, 1884; Vigo 1, 87 and in an attempt to find out more, I searched the the index by date and found this: Patrick Collins, 25, s/o Richard and Catharine Kane, md Minerva Tuffeteller Sept 23, 1884; Vigo 9, 639 Hope this helps, Sharon (McCoskey) Turner ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary2gard@aol.com To: INCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [INCLAY] Teferteller Delores, At that time, no information such as parents is on the application. They didn't begin to collect those until 1882, and it was only done sometimes even then. The marriage returns, or applications were not collected all the time until 1909. The same is true of birth and death records. She may have been on the move in 1880 when the census was done. Mary Gardner ==== INCLAY Mailing List ==== Visit the Clay County Indiana InGenWeb site at; http://www.rootsweb.com/~inclay/ ==== INCLAY Mailing List ==== ==== INCLAY Mailing List ==== Help support Rootsweb,become a member at; http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

I can't believe it, here is the last name with a J again instead of a T again. In the 1700,s it was with a D instead of a T. I understand the D for a T, (German script) but a J. Anyway Glorianna, I want to thank you for your time to help me. Thank much. Delores -----Original Message----- From: Gfahs@aol.com [mailto:Gfahs@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 5:17 AM To: INCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INCLAY] Teferteller In a message dated 1/27/2005, INCLAY-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Minerva's marriage to Patrick Collins With the marriage clue, I found this: Indiana Births, 1880-1920 Name: Collins Father: Patrick Mother: Minerva Jerfortella County: Clay Gender: F Birth Date: 04 Jul 1885 Reference: Clay County, Indiana Index to Birth Records 1882 - 1920 Inclusive, Volume I, Letters A - K Inclusive Book: CH-1, Page: 25 Glorianne ==== INCLAY Mailing List ====

Hello Sharon. This is great, yes Minerva's parents were George Teferteller and Margaret Farr, although he had died just before Margaret moved to Clay Co. IN. Now I know why I could not find Edward N Hawkins ever again. I hadn't thought about Minerva marrying again. I can't believe how the spelling of Teferteller get so messed up. One time I found the T as a J. Anyway, you gals are great. Thanks millions. Delores -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Turner [mailto:rzgrdn@rushmore.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:49 AM To: INCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INCLAY] Teferteller In addition to Minerva's marriage to Edward Hawkins in 1880, it appears that there was a second marriage: Manerva Teffitollee, d/o George and Margaret Farr, md (no name given) Sept 23, 1884; Vigo 1, 87 and in an attempt to find out more, I searched the the index by date and found this: Patrick Collins, 25, s/o Richard and Catharine Kane, md Minerva Tuffeteller Sept 23, 1884; Vigo 9, 639 Hope this helps, Sharon (McCoskey) Turner ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary2gard@aol.com To: INCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [INCLAY] Teferteller Delores, At that time, no information such as parents is on the application. They didn't begin to collect those until 1882, and it was only done sometimes even then. The marriage returns, or applications were not collected all the time until 1909. The same is true of birth and death records. She may have been on the move in 1880 when the census was done. Mary Gardner ==== INCLAY Mailing List ==== Visit the Clay County Indiana InGenWeb site at; http://www.rootsweb.com/~inclay/ ==== INCLAY Mailing List ====

These "marks" are easily removed. I would not be as far in my families genealogy if it were not for sharing. I just do not share personal, private info. or info that is less than 50 years old. Joan On Jan 25, 2005, at 8:44 PM, Eileen wrote: I got a program that marks each one in your file with your name, called GEDmark. At least it will always show up that it came from you. Eileen

Thank you Mary for the information on the applications and the dates. I was not aware of this and I agree with you, I do think Margaret was on the move when the 1880 census was taken. Thanks much. Delores -----Original Message----- From: Mary2gard@aol.com [mailto:Mary2gard@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:49 AM To: INCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INCLAY] Teferteller Delores, At that time, no information such as parents is on the application. They didn't begin to collect those until 1882, and it was only done sometimes even then. The marriage returns, or applications were not collected all the time until 1909. The same is true of birth and death records. She may have been on the move in 1880 when the census was done. Mary Gardner ==== INCLAY Mailing List ==== Visit the Clay County Indiana InGenWeb site at; http://www.rootsweb.com/~inclay/

I have checked Ancestry.com for the 1900 census record for Patrick Collins. I didn't find him, or a Melinda Collins in Clay County. Mary

In a message dated 1/27/2005, INCLAY-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Minerva's marriage to Patrick Collins With the marriage clue, I found this: Indiana Births, 1880-1920 Name: Collins Father: Patrick Mother: Minerva Jerfortella County: Clay Gender: F Birth Date: 04 Jul 1885 Reference: Clay County, Indiana Index to Birth Records 1882 - 1920 Inclusive, Volume I, Letters A - K Inclusive Book: CH-1, Page: 25 Glorianne

Based on what you have said, this appears to be your family: 1860Jackson Twp, Clay Cnty, IN, M653-249, Pg 792, Ln 21, 886/877: Eli Harris 46 Carpenter Penn Susanna 27 Housekeeper Penn Henry 18 Farm Laborer Penn Mary 20 Domestic Penn Joseph A 15 Farm Laborer Penn Nancy 10 Penn Sarah A 3 Ohio Frances C 2/12 Indiana and in 1850: Catharine Twp, Blair County, PA, M432-755, Pg 126, Ln 28, 26/27: Eli Harris 37 Farmer Penna Cristena Harris 31 Penna Mary E Harris 10 Penna Henry Harris 8 Penna Joseph A. Harris 6 Penna Wm E Harris 3 Penna Nancy Harris 1 Penna Richard Buckingham 20 Penna Cathrin Sawyer 19 Penna Hope this helps, Sharon Turner ----- Original Message ----- From: Joan Norstedt To: INCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:12 PM Subject: [INCLAY] Benjamin Franklin Willoughby & Mary Elizabeth Harris ca 1838 I am searching for information on my ggrandmother, Mary Elizabeth Harris. She was, according to census records, born in Pennsylvania abt 1839. She married my ggrandfather Benjamin Franklin Willoughby 16 Jun 1864 Clay Co., IN. She died abt 1881 in Brazil, Clay Co., IN. I have not been able to find her parents and siblings. Any help appreciated. Joan ==== INCLAY Mailing List ====

I am searching for information on my ggrandmother, Mary Elizabeth Harris. She was, according to census records, born in Pennsylvania abt 1839. She married my ggrandfather Benjamin Franklin Willoughby 16 Jun 1864 Clay Co., IN. She died abt 1881 in Brazil, Clay Co., IN. I have not been able to find her parents and siblings. Any help appreciated. Joan

I volunteer at the Clay Co. Gen. Soc. library and have a request from David Haughee on John & Margaret Short and Margaret's parents, Robert and Margaret Givens. I will gladly give you his e-mail address if you will contact me at campbell@comwares.net Marcella Campbell

In addition to Minerva's marriage to Edward Hawkins in 1880, it appears that there was a second marriage: Manerva Teffitollee, d/o George and Margaret Farr, md (no name given) Sept 23, 1884; Vigo 1, 87 and in an attempt to find out more, I searched the the index by date and found this: Patrick Collins, 25, s/o Richard and Catharine Kane, md Minerva Tuffeteller Sept 23, 1884; Vigo 9, 639 Hope this helps, Sharon (McCoskey) Turner ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary2gard@aol.com To: INCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [INCLAY] Teferteller Delores, At that time, no information such as parents is on the application. They didn't begin to collect those until 1882, and it was only done sometimes even then. The marriage returns, or applications were not collected all the time until 1909. The same is true of birth and death records. She may have been on the move in 1880 when the census was done. Mary Gardner ==== INCLAY Mailing List ==== Visit the Clay County Indiana InGenWeb site at; http://www.rootsweb.com/~inclay/

Delores, At that time, no information such as parents is on the application. They didn't begin to collect those until 1882, and it was only done sometimes even then. The marriage returns, or applications were not collected all the time until 1909. The same is true of birth and death records. She may have been on the move in 1880 when the census was done. Mary Gardner

I got a program that marks each one in your file with your name, called GEDmark. At least it will always show up that it came from you. Eileen -----Original Message----- From: Char [mailto:bnkr.34@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 3:53 PM To: INCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INCLAY] Re: INCLAY-D Digest V05 #18 I too shared a file with someone once and then found it posted on their family site. Some of the information was personal and should never have been posted. Needless to say I was very upset with this. So I am very careful about what I share now. I think general information found or given to help possibly point someone in the right direction or jump start a brick in a wall is ok. I wouldn't recomend anyone adding information to any of their lines without verifying first. Charlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Turner" <rzgrdn@rushmore.com> To: <INCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [INCLAY] Re: INCLAY-D Digest V05 #18 > I shared my entire database with someone one time and he put it on Rootsweb and Ancestry. If I wanted my years of research on those sites, I would have placed it there. I'll be very careful what I put on this list, or any other list and would caution others to do the same. I received a lot of help in my research and I love helping others; but I am very cautious with who and what after that. > > Sharon Turner > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bart Emanuel > To: INCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:26 AM > Subject: [INCLAY] Re: INCLAY-D Digest V05 #18 > > > > >I e-mailed two complete pages of county history to a lister on this > >message > >board. I saw no reason to take up space and time from others in > >pasting them > >on this medium. It was information specifically of interest to the > >lister > >and had a low probability of being of interest to anyone else. > > > > If the information is readily available online, then I agree that it should not necessarily be posted, but you should at least post a link so that people can get to it. Otherwise I still stand by my original posting. > > > > Thanks, > > Bart Emanuel > > > > > Bart Emanuel > > > > > > ==== INCLAY Mailing List ==== > To contact the INCLAY list owner,send a message to; > fred@claynet.com > > > > > ==== INCLAY Mailing List ==== > Be sure to visit the InGenWeb site for links to all Indiana Counties; > http://www.ingenweb.org/ > > ==== INCLAY Mailing List ====

Hello List: I am new to this list and I have a HUGE mystery. I have a Margaret Teferteller who moved to Clay Co. IN during the year 1880, from Shelby Co. KY. I have her documented up until December of 1870 in Shelby Co. KY where one of her daughters married a Jesse Perkins there. Then on another piece of evidence I have she is in Clay Co. Then her youngest daughter Minerva married Edward N Hawkins the 26 Sept. 1880 in Clay Co. IN. This I found from the Indiana Marriages, 1845-1920, Book 5, page 184. And no, I do not have a copy of that marriage certificate to see if her mother Margaret has signed it. She would be 23 years old then. I have never been able to find Margaret on any census after 1870. I don't believe she died because she would only be 60 years old. I wonder if she remarried, but I have not been able to find a marriage or a death for either in Clay Co. Is there something I have missed looking at? Is there anything on the internet to show the certificate of the marriage of Minerva to Edward N Hawkins to see in Margaret's name is on the certificate or does anyone on the list have access to the marriage certificates? I have not been able to find Edward and Minerva after they married. Any help would greatly appreciated. Thank you. Delores

I agree keep it open ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Ott" <dott@centurytel.net> To: <INCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 4:34 PM Subject: [INCLAY] Posting to List > My dream would be that I could give my entire data base to 100 people and > they would all post it somewhere for public consumption. That would mean > that more people could see it and eventually I would get a lot more added > to what I already have. I really don't care who takes credit for it just > get it out there so others can add to their data bases and share what > information they have. I guess if you plan to write a book and copy write > it that might be different. I am only trying to expand what I know about my > own family, I can't imagine hiding it under a bushel. > If you do not post on the list how can folks see the names you are > interested in and help with your research. > The lists, and I work on about 20, are only beneficial to everyone if > almost everything is posted back through the list. Lists will not take > attachments so that has to be an exception. Lists that post back through > the open list create a tremendous amount in traffic, and if you aren't > interested in a name, just delete that message. There will be others that > will find something in the message and respond. > This list has been dead for years, recent activity has increased, but I > still just see folks asking for information and mainly wanting someone to > respond to them privately. Lets make this list live and help everyone. > Don > > > > ==== INCLAY Mailing List ==== > Help support Rootsweb,become a member at; > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >

Thank you Don for looking Kaye

It would pay to look at the page before writing. I am sorry Don. The name is Sarah Jane (Jenny) Owens, and then I find another on Lena Owens married a John Haughee in abt. 1927. He was from Mecca and they lived in Clinton.

Hi Don: My Jenny Owens was married to William Sylvester Haughee and lived around Brazil. She was born in 1884 and died in 1950. Children were Thomas, Mary Evelyn, Hazel, and Alexander. Kaye

I will go along with that. I am looking for --- Haughee-Short last lived in Cardonia and buried in Cottage Hill Short-Givens parents of Mary Short Haughee last seen in census in 1870. Givens last seen in census in 1870 Haughee-Loughmiller Loughmiller-Hoback Haughee-Herbert all these families are connected and are my husbands family Robert Haughee and Mary Suttie William Haughee and Jenny Owens James Haughee and Mary Funkhouser Frank Haughee died in Clinton in mine accident Eva Haughee and Alva Herbert Presley Haughee and Eliza Johnson I have gathered more information on some branches but can't share if I cannot find family. Kaye

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NAME: William M. "Will" OTT-7982 Parent Link Type: (B) --- BIRTH: 3 Jan 1837 PLACE: ,Clay,Indiana M CHR.: PLACE: MAR.: PLACE: DEATH: PLACE: BURIAL: PLACE: SPOUSE: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. NAME: Martha Elizabeth "Eliza" OTT-7983 Parent Link Type: (B) --- BIRTH: 1840 PLACE: ,Clay,Indiana F CHR.: PLACE: MAR.: PLACE: DEATH: PLACE: BURIAL: PLACE: SPOUSE: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. NAME: Mary A. OTT-7984 Parent Link Type: (B) --- BIRTH: 22 Jan 1845 PLACE: ,Clay,Indiana F CHR.: PLACE: MAR.: PLACE: DEATH: PLACE: BURIAL: PLACE: SPOUSE: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4. NAME: Ann Elizabeth "Lizzie" OTT-7985 Parent Link Type: (B) --- BIRTH: 2 Nov 1846 PLACE: ,Clay,Indiana F CHR.: PLACE: MAR.: PLACE: DEATH: PLACE: BURIAL: PLACE: SPOUSE: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5. NAME: Jeremiah Zimmerman "Zim" OTT-7986 Parent Link Type: (B) --- BIRTH: 1849 PLACE: ,Clay,Indiana M CHR.: PLACE: MAR.: PLACE: DEATH: PLACE: BURIAL: PLACE: SPOUSE: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6. NAME: Amanda OTT-7987 Parent Link Type: (B) --- BIRTH: 1852 PLACE: ,Clay,Indiana F CHR.: PLACE: MAR.: PLACE: DEATH: PLACE: BURIAL: PLACE: SPOUSE: ========================================================================================================================== Records of: DON OTT 140 BLACKBERRY LANE LAKEVIEW, ARKANSAS 72642 USA 870-431-8112 Parent Link Types: (B)=Biological, (A)=Adopted, (G)=Guardian, (C)=Challenged, (D)=Disproved FAMILY GROUP RECORD FOR JOHN BUCHANAN OTT/SARAH OWENS - SILVOTT.PAF - MRIN 3165 25 Jan 2005 Page 2 of 2 ========================================================================================================================== HUSBAND John Buchanan OTT-7976 Yr of Birth 1814 WIFE Sarah OWENS-7977 Yr of Birth 1818 ========================================================================================================================== CHILDREN (continued) ========================================================================================================================== 7. NAME: Albert Abraham OTT-7988 Parent Link Type: (B) --- BIRTH: 27 Dec 1853 PLACE: ,Clay,Indiana M CHR.: PLACE: MAR.: PLACE: DEATH: PLACE: BURIAL: PLACE: SPOUSE: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8. NAME: John Buchanan OTT [Jr.]-7989 Parent Link Type: (B) --- BIRTH: 13 Nov 1854 PLACE: ,,Missouri M CHR.: PLACE: MAR.: PLACE: DEATH: PLACE: BURIAL: PLACE: SPOUSE: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9. NAME: Julia Ann OTT-7990 Parent Link Type: (B) --- BIRTH: 17 Aug 1861 PLACE: ,Marion,Arkansas F CHR.: PLACE: MAR.: PLACE: DEATH: PLACE: BURIAL: PLACE: SPOUSE: ========================================================================================================================== HUSBAND John Buchanan OTT-7976 WIFE Sarah OWENS-7977 CHILD 1 William M. "Will" OTT-7982 CHILD 2 Martha Elizabeth "Eliza" OTT-7983 CHILD 3 Mary A. OTT-7984 CHILD 4 Ann Elizabeth "Lizzie" OTT-7985 CHILD 5 Jeremiah Zimmerman "Zim" OTT-7986 CHILD 6 Amanda OTT-7987 CHILD 7 Albert Abraham OTT-7988 CHILD 8 John Buchanan OTT [Jr.]-7989 CHILD 9 Julia Ann OTT-7990  --=====================_6376125==_--