Dan, one thing leads to another. I am a Kinsey and Damm researcher, have Dorothy Jean Cotner b about 1925 married to Bookwalter in my file. Also have several Sturgeons, James E married to Cora Starr b. about 1880. They had three children: Lawrence (m to Wilma Hawkins), Leah, and Lee (m. Helen Moore). Lawrence and Wilma have a daughter Betty Marie. Don't have dates or locations but think Jay County. Don't know if any of this ties or not. Paul Kinsey ----- Original Message ----- From: "DANIEL COTNER" <daniel19@earthlink.net> To: <INCASS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [INCASS] birth certificate prior to 1882 > HELLO ED; > I don't have the answer to your question but I am a COTNER > researcher and I have 2 STURGEON ladies listed and would sure like to > find their parentage. They are; > Susan m. Andrew COTNER DEC. 22,1867 and born on mar 8,1846. > Sara m. Daniel COTNER APR. 19,1895 and born on oct. 29,1833. > I have visited a couple of private and very unkept cemeteries in Cass > Co. (I am of Cass Co) and have a couple of pictures of STURGEON stones. > If interested let me know. My scanner is down for now but am going to > get it fixed soon so could send pictures. > > Dan COTNER > daniel19@earthlink.net > > Ed Crabtree wrote: > > > I am trying to locate a birth certificate of a > > Ruth Sturgeon born December 2, 1847 on a farm near > > Lake Cicott in Cass County. Her father was Taylor > > Sturgeon and her mother was Eunice - last name > > unknown. > > > > According to the Cass County Circuit Court Clerk > > they have no records of birth prior to 1882. Any > > suggestions where I might try next? > > > > Thanks, in advance. > > > > Ed Crabtree - KCMO > > EWCRABTREE@prodigy.net > > > > ==== INCASS Mailing List ==== > > @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- > > Interested in Cass County Pioneer Cemetery Restoration? > > Come visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrpmc/index.html > > > > ============================== > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ > > > ==== INCASS Mailing List ==== > @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- > Did you know there are locater maps linked from the Cass County Cemetery List? http://www.rootsweb.com/~incass/cemlist.html > > ============================== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. >

Joanne The Family History Library has the papers on microfilm The reel numbers for the film are: 01508549; 01508560; 01508626 and 01508627 Thomas ----- Original Message ----- From: <JoanneMJ@aol.com> To: <INCASS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 11:36 PM Subject: Re: Re: [INCASS] Dean Arthington Papers > Thomas > > Where are the Dean Arthinton Papers? How does one go about researching them? > > Joanne in Portland, OR > > > ==== INCASS Mailing List ==== > @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- > Did you know you can search the Cass County INGenWeb Site? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~incass/search.html > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > >

Hi! I know that each state (and county) provides different info, but I haven't found any differences in "certified" death certificates vs non-certified types (except that I usually have to pay more $$ for the "certified" copy). I have collected hundreds of death certificates, obits, and death notices on my family members that I am researching. Any good genealogist will tell you NOT to put too much faith into info provided on a death certificate. The problem with death certificates, obits, etc. is that info is provided by a "relative" or in a lot of cases, a hospital employee or nursing home official. Other than the cause of death (provided by the physician) and the place of burial, a lot of info is not very reliable. For example: Info for my great-grandfather's DC was completed by his oldest son. His date of birth was incorrect, his place of birth was only listed as Denmark and his parents' names were a "?". My uncle didn't even know his father's occupation. I requested funeral records for my great-grandfather, and it included the obituary form for submission to their local newspaper and a copy of the DC, all with the same incorrect info. The obit didn't even list my gr-grandfather's first wife (my great-grandmother, and the MOTHER of the person providing the info!) This is one of the reason's why it is important to gather as MUCH evidence of a fact (birth, death, etc) before accepting it as "final". Just my two cents; Angel Jacobsen-Shweika Grand Junction, Allegan County, MICHIGAN USA ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Jacobsen Jenealogy Journal: http://www.jacobsen-shweika.com/genealogy/ County Coordinator for Cook Co. ILGenWeb: http://cookcountyil-genealogy.com/ President, Turley Family Organization, Inc. http://www.turleyfamily.org -----Original Message----- From: Flock's [mailto:flocks4@junct.com] Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 5:23 PM To: INCASS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INCASS] birth certificate prior to 1882 Hi, I want to reply on the death records and certified copy. What is the difference? And is the death records kept in a different location than the death certificate? I have always been told if you can find the funeral records, it will have the same information on it that would be on the death certificate, because that is where the information comes from to make the death certificate. Which is what the informant gave to the funeral home at that time of the deceased and not always is it right. Charlotte Flock wmmahan wrote: > Was there anything on the Death record that showed the parents? Might not > have been on the certified copy but on the records. Some times all that > does not get on a certified copy? In 1920 there would have been and Indiana > death records. The form has a place for parents names and I have even seen > parents birth location on some. > > ==== INCASS Mailing List ==== > @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- > Come work at Sprinkle Cemetery on Saturday, August 19, 2000 from 8 a.m. to noon. Call or email for details - Debby - 457-8702 or dbeheler@indy.net > > ============================== > Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: > Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at > http://resources.rootsweb.com/ ==== INCASS Mailing List ==== @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- Did you know you can search the Cass County INGenWeb Site? http://www.rootsweb.com/~incass/search.html ============================== Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: http://pml.rootsweb.com/

Thomas Where are the Dean Arthinton Papers? How does one go about researching them? Joanne in Portland, OR

There are copies at the Cass County Historical Society Museum, Fort Wayne Allen Co. Public Library and in the Cass County Recorder's office at the courthouse. I don't know whether they have been filmed by the LDS Church or not. Debby -----Original Message----- From: JoanneMJ@aol.com [mailto:JoanneMJ@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 10:36 PM To: INCASS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Re: [INCASS] Dean Arthington Papers Thomas Where are the Dean Arthinton Papers? How does one go about researching them? Joanne in Portland, OR ==== INCASS Mailing List ==== @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- Did you know you can search the Cass County INGenWeb Site? http://www.rootsweb.com/~incass/search.html ============================== Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: http://pml.rootsweb.com/

Charlotte The Arthington Papers were written by Rev. Thomas D.Arthington The papers are a collection of items of interest taken from local events, fairs, socials, births, deaths, marriages, also items taken from tax records, local elections and information concerning families in the Logansport and Cass county. The items cover the period 1840 to about 1890 or close to that time frame. Lots of good, worth reading for genealogical research. Have fun and good luck Thomas ----- Original Message ----- From: Flock's <flocks4@junct.com> To: <INCASS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 10:00 PM Subject: [INCASS] Dean Arthington Papers > Hi, > Could anyone tell me what is the Dean Arthington Papers of Cass Co. > > Charlotte > > > > > ==== INCASS Mailing List ==== > @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- > Come work at Sprinkle Cemetery on Saturday, August 19, 2000 from 8 a.m. to noon. Call or email for details - Debby - 457-8702 or dbeheler@indy.net > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > >

There is no monthly mailing. I can switch to digest mode where several messages are sent together. Frankly, I'm really pleased with the exchange and sharing among list members. Debby Beheler - dbeheler@indy.net @>-@>-@>-@>-@>-@>-@>-@>-@>-@>-@>-@>-@>-@>-@>- Listowner of INCASS-L & Coordinator of: http://www.rootsweb.com/~inmiami/index.html - Miami Co. INGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~incass/county.html - Cass Co. INGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrpmc/ - Co-coordinator with Rebecca Miller of Miami & Cass County Indiana Pioneer Cemetery Restoration Project -----Original Message----- From: Terry Ray [mailto:tray74@webtv.net] Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 4:39 PM To: INCASS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [INCASS] Remove from mailing list Hello I would like to be removed from the mailing list where I get copies of all the emails sent to you. I do not want to be removed from the monthly mailings, just the one that sends me one each time an inquiry is made. They fill up my email too fast sometimes, and I don't know what most of them are talking about! Thanks! ==== INCASS Mailing List ==== @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- Did you know there are locater maps linked from the Cass County Cemetery List? http://www.rootsweb.com/~incass/cemlist.html ============================== Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at http://resources.rootsweb.com/

Hi, Could anyone tell me what is the Dean Arthington Papers of Cass Co. Charlotte

They can be better than nothing....And nothing was what seemed was being found.....At least there might be something to try to verify from some other source....

Angel I agree, be careful, with the death certificate. They are a second source. Charlotte Flock >

Hello I would like to be removed from the mailing list where I get copies of all the emails sent to you. I do not want to be removed from the monthly mailings, just the one that sends me one each time an inquiry is made. They fill up my email too fast sometimes, and I don't know what most of them are talking about! Thanks!

Hi, I want to reply on the death records and certified copy. What is the difference? And is the death records kept in a different location than the death certificate? I have always been told if you can find the funeral records, it will have the same information on it that would be on the death certificate, because that is where the information comes from to make the death certificate. Which is what the informant gave to the funeral home at that time of the deceased and not always is it right. Charlotte Flock wmmahan wrote: > Was there anything on the Death record that showed the parents? Might not > have been on the certified copy but on the records. Some times all that > does not get on a certified copy? In 1920 there would have been and Indiana > death records. The form has a place for parents names and I have even seen > parents birth location on some. > > ==== INCASS Mailing List ==== > @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- > Come work at Sprinkle Cemetery on Saturday, August 19, 2000 from 8 a.m. to noon. Call or email for details - Debby - 457-8702 or dbeheler@indy.net > > ============================== > Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: > Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at > http://resources.rootsweb.com/

Was there anything on the Death record that showed the parents? Might not have been on the certified copy but on the records. Some times all that does not get on a certified copy? In 1920 there would have been and Indiana death records. The form has a place for parents names and I have even seen parents birth location on some.

Hi Ed, I did some checking in the delayed birth index, and didn't find Ruth Sturgeon or Hinshaw. But I did however find an Albert E. Is it possible he may have been related? Edward W Crabtree <EWCRABTREE@prodigy.net> wrote: Ruth Sturgeon married Elijah Hinshaw, born Apr 12, 1837, died Dec 23 1920 - they were married in Oct 9,1864 in Howard Co., IN. He was on leave from the Union Army. Does this give you any clues? Thanks, Ed Crabtree - KCMO EWCRABTREE@prodigy.net ==== INCASS Mailing List ==== @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- Did you know there are locater maps linked from the Cass County Cemetery List? http://www.rootsweb.com/~incass/cemlist.html ============================== Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. http://pml.rootsweb.com/ Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!

Rebecca, Find out what church his parents belong to, and write for baptism records. Charlotte rebecca miller wrote: > Do you happen to have a married name for Ruth Sturgeon?? > > Rebecca > > Ed Crabtree <EWCRABTREE@prodigy.net> wrote: > > I am trying to locate a birth certificate of a > Ruth Sturgeon born December 2, 1847 on a farm near > Lake Cicott in Cass County. Her father was Taylor > Sturgeon and her mother was Eunice - last name > unknown. > > According to the Cass County Circuit Court Clerk > they have no records of birth prior to 1882. Any > suggestions where I might try next? > > Thanks, in advance. > > Ed Crabtree - KCMO > EWCRABTREE@prodigy.net > > ==== INCASS Mailing List ==== > @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- > Interested in Cass County Pioneer Cemetery Restoration? > Come visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrpmc/index.html > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > > ==== INCASS Mailing List ==== > @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- > Come work at Sprinkle Cemetery on Saturday, August 19, 2000 from 8 a.m. to noon. Call or email for details - Debby - 457-8702 or dbeheler@indy.net > > ============================== > Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: > Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at > http://resources.rootsweb.com/

HELLO ED; I don't have the answer to your question but I am a COTNER researcher and I have 2 STURGEON ladies listed and would sure like to find their parentage. They are; Susan m. Andrew COTNER DEC. 22,1867 and born on mar 8,1846. Sara m. Daniel COTNER APR. 19,1895 and born on oct. 29,1833. I have visited a couple of private and very unkept cemeteries in Cass Co. (I am of Cass Co) and have a couple of pictures of STURGEON stones. If interested let me know. My scanner is down for now but am going to get it fixed soon so could send pictures. Dan COTNER daniel19@earthlink.net Ed Crabtree wrote: > I am trying to locate a birth certificate of a > Ruth Sturgeon born December 2, 1847 on a farm near > Lake Cicott in Cass County. Her father was Taylor > Sturgeon and her mother was Eunice - last name > unknown. > > According to the Cass County Circuit Court Clerk > they have no records of birth prior to 1882. Any > suggestions where I might try next? > > Thanks, in advance. > > Ed Crabtree - KCMO > EWCRABTREE@prodigy.net > > ==== INCASS Mailing List ==== > @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- > Interested in Cass County Pioneer Cemetery Restoration? > Come visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrpmc/index.html > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/

Ruth Sturgeon married Elijah Hinshaw, born Apr 12, 1837, died Dec 23 1920 - they were married in Oct 9,1864 in Howard Co., IN. He was on leave from the Union Army. Does this give you any clues? Thanks, Ed Crabtree - KCMO EWCRABTREE@prodigy.net

Do you happen to have a married name for Ruth Sturgeon?? Rebecca Ed Crabtree <EWCRABTREE@prodigy.net> wrote: I am trying to locate a birth certificate of a Ruth Sturgeon born December 2, 1847 on a farm near Lake Cicott in Cass County. Her father was Taylor Sturgeon and her mother was Eunice - last name unknown. According to the Cass County Circuit Court Clerk they have no records of birth prior to 1882. Any suggestions where I might try next? Thanks, in advance. Ed Crabtree - KCMO EWCRABTREE@prodigy.net ==== INCASS Mailing List ==== @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- Interested in Cass County Pioneer Cemetery Restoration? Come visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrpmc/index.html ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger.

A family bible or church record or remotely a newspaper. At least you have a date for an Indiana birth that early. Many are not that fortunate. Where did you get the date you have? Debby -----Original Message----- From: Ed Crabtree [mailto:EWCRABTREE@prodigy.net] Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 4:23 PM To: INCASS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [INCASS] birth certificate prior to 1882 I am trying to locate a birth certificate of a Ruth Sturgeon born December 2, 1847 on a farm near Lake Cicott in Cass County. Her father was Taylor Sturgeon and her mother was Eunice - last name unknown. According to the Cass County Circuit Court Clerk they have no records of birth prior to 1882. Any suggestions where I might try next? Thanks, in advance. Ed Crabtree - KCMO EWCRABTREE@prodigy.net ==== INCASS Mailing List ==== @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- Interested in Cass County Pioneer Cemetery Restoration? Come visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrpmc/index.html ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/

Hi, There was quite of few of you, that was interested in the informaiton, that I may come up with. I wrote to Rudy Strauch in Logansport. He has written a book on railroads. The Pennsylvania Railroad bought out or leased the railroads in Logansport around 1900. Prior to that, the names of the railroads were, Vandalia, TP&W, C.C., & I. C., Eel River, Wabash, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Chicago and St.Louis Railway Co. He mentions that the Roster to these railroads do not exist. The oldest roster he could fiind was 1940. That would not help me. I'm looking for John Miller b. 1831 Pruissa listed on the 1870 census age 39 occupation R R laborer. Living with Wendel Miller and Caroline Grusenmeyer Miller. So I'm now looking for City Directories. So if anyone has a City Directory starting around 1862-1908. I sure could use a look up. Charlotte E. Flock