This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/lh.2ADE/2583.1.1 Message Board Post: Don: My problem is that I don't know the first names of my great grandparents, i.e. the Woehlers. Their son, Hile, was my grandfather. On his death certificate, it notes his mother's maiden name as "Payne." We have a wonderful photograph from around 1875 showing the happy family... but no names. I've gone through all the ancestry.com material and can't find a trace of great grandfather "woehler" who I figure must have been born around 1853. Bartholomew County birth/death information doesn't start until 1882. I will be doing a cemetery check, but I was hoping RootsWeb might produce a lead. Thanks for anything you can contribute.