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    1. Re: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 1
    2. Joe Robertson
    3. Thankyou ..I live in fl and have always wanted to be a redmen From Joe Robertson Christ Follower On Mar 29, 2012, at 3:00 AM, improved-order-of-red-men-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Membership (Joe Robertson) > 2. Re: Membership (John L. Sielke) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:09:09 -0400 > From: Joe Robertson <joedj138@aol.com> > Subject: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] Membership > To: "IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN@rootsweb.com" > <IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <D21072BE-F4EB-4109-A4DF-D950A1F4C041@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; > delsp=yes > > Can anyone help me I > am trying to get a membership application to the redmen in Vestal NY > the Kickapoo tribe#236. , both my dad and uncle were members I could > use some help > > From Joe Robertson > Christ Follower > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 21:04:08 -0400 > From: "John L. Sielke" <john@jsielke.us> > Subject: Re: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] Membership > To: improved-order-of-red-men@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <b9kptwsvjgfyhkwvmhfnyyad.1332983048726@email.android.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Coincidence, I am member Kickapoo #237 in Egg Harbor City,NJ. I > would suggest contacting the scribe of #236. Good luck. > > John > _____________________________________________ > From: Joe Robertson > Sent: Wed, Mar 28, 2012 07:09 PM > To: IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] Membership > >> Can anyone help me I >> am trying to get a membership application to the redmen in Vestal NY >> the Kickapoo tribe#236. , both my dad and uncle were members I could >> use some help >> >> From Joe Robertson >> Christ Follower >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN list administrator, send an > email to > IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN mailing list, > send an email to IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 1 > *******************************************************

    03/29/2012 12:59:59
    1. Re: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] Membership
    2. John L. Sielke
    3. Coincidence, I am member Kickapoo #237 in Egg Harbor City,NJ. I would suggest contacting the scribe of #236. Good luck. John _____________________________________________ From: Joe Robertson Sent: Wed, Mar 28, 2012 07:09 PM To: IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] Membership >Can anyone help me I > am trying to get a membership application to the redmen in Vestal NY >the Kickapoo tribe#236. , both my dad and uncle were members I could >use some help > > From Joe Robertson >Christ Follower > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/28/2012 03:04:08
    1. [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] Membership
    2. Joe Robertson
    3. Can anyone help me I am trying to get a membership application to the redmen in Vestal NY the Kickapoo tribe#236. , both my dad and uncle were members I could use some help From Joe Robertson Christ Follower

    03/28/2012 01:09:09
    1. [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] looking for info
    2. George/Bonnie
    3. Greeting from Wyoming, This may be a strange request but I hope that perhaps you may be able to help me in my search. Twenty or so years ago I had been photographing my husband's family headstones. Last evening while going through my pictures, I came across his great grandfather's headstone and engraved on it was *ABENAKI TRIBE No. 77* then a *circle with a hatchet in the middle with the letter's IMP'D on top and O.R.M. under the circle. * At the time I had taken the picture, I don't believe internet was available so was excited when I looked it up last night and found your site. My question is: When his great grand father *Reuben Daniel Haines of Ohio (1847-1923)* applied for membership, if that was the process, are these papers or records still available? I have been trying to track down his (Reuben Jr's.) father Reuben Daniel Haines Sr. (born abt 1818 of PA and then of Ohio. - got to thinking that perhaps the son joined because of his father's membership? Are there any records at all concerning member's membership? Thank you for your time and consideration. Happy Trails, Bonnie Good goodg@msu.edu

    02/15/2010 08:34:28
    1. Re: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] looking for info
    2. CHRISTINE DREW
    3. Hi.  I'm also a seeker of info on the organization, but so far without results.  But here are some leads and some tips I've received along the way.  Maybe they'll help you.  Good luck! * * * * * * My advice would be to start with his obituary.  If he was a member of a fraternal society such as the IORM then it would  be mentioned.  What about his tombstone?  Many times a cemetery marker was a "benefit" of the society... my ancestor was a member of several societies - IORM, Odd Fellows and Woodmen of the World... his marker is a WOW marker.  Another ancestor was a member of Odd Fellows and IORM, he has an Odd Fellows marker.  If you find reference that he was a member of a fraternal soceity check local and state archives to see if they have records related to them... the IORM had state and national meetings as well as local.  I was able to locate pamphlets on the state meeting at my state archives with references to my ancestor (he was an officer at the state level as well).  Mentions of local tribes are in these books as well.   * * * * * * * * * * *   David Lintz dlintz@redmen.org   * ** * * * * * **   Gary McElwaine is the Great Chief of Records (state secretary) for Indiana (garyoredman@yahoo.com). He may have some historical information from that book or know someone in the area who does. I am not sure how prompt he is in answering research requests.   ________________________________ From: George/Bonnie <goodg@wildblue.net> To: IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 4:34:28 PM Subject: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] looking for info Greeting from Wyoming, This may be a strange request but I hope that perhaps you may be able to help me in  my search.  Twenty or so years ago I had been photographing my husband's family headstones.  Last evening while going through my pictures, I came across his great grandfather's headstone and engraved on it was *ABENAKI TRIBE No. 77*  then  a *circle with a hatchet in the middle with the letter's IMP'D on top and O.R.M. under the circle. * At the time I had taken the picture, I don't believe internet was available so was excited when I looked it up last night and found your site. My question is:  When his great grand father *Reuben Daniel Haines  of  Ohio (1847-1923)* applied for membership, if that was the process, are these papers or records still available?  I have been trying to track down his (Reuben Jr's.) father Reuben Daniel Haines Sr.  (born abt 1818 of PA and then of Ohio. - got to thinking that perhaps the son joined because of his father's membership? Are there any records at all concerning member's membership? Thank you for your time and consideration. Happy Trails, Bonnie Good goodg@msu.edu ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    02/15/2010 08:08:52
    1. [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] (no subject)
    2. CHRISTINE DREW
    3. Hello.  I am trying to find out if my grandfather, Louis Edward Drew, was a member of an Indianapolis, Indiana, tribe of the IORM.  He passed away in  February of 1933, and all I have for records is a photo of him in Indian attire and my aunt's recollection that he was a "redman."  She was eight years old at the time of his passing.  My father was ten; he now lives in a memory care facility and is unable to provide any information. Mr. David Lintz has suggested that I might find information about my grandfather in the "1933 state proceedings in the fraternal dead list."  Mr. Lintz does not have this resource.  If you have information or suggestions that might be useful, I'd be most appreciative to hear from you.  Thank you. Best regards. Christine Drew 2539 Brookdale Lane Brooklyn Park, MN  55444 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

    08/25/2009 03:03:03
    1. Re: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] Membership verification
    2. CHRISTINE DREW
    3. Hi, Melissa.  I know that my grandparents share a granite headstone, one that was privately purchased at the time of my grandmother's death, so I don't know if he was in IORM at the time of his death or not.  So far I have not found the obituary.  I need to go to a library and search the Indianapolis newspapers.  I, too, have a letter in the mail to the Texas office.  Maybe there is an answer somewhere ... ________________________________ From: Melissa Hogan <genealogistinal@yahoo.com> To: improved-order-of-red-men@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 6:04:56 AM Subject: Re: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] Membership verification Glad to help, Christine.  I think it is cool that you have a photo of him in his "attire".  It wasn't until I found my ancestor's obituary that I heard the term "Red Men"... I was scratching my head over it for a while... well at least as long as it took me to get back home and "google" :<) ... The IORM still exist... their headquarters and museum are in Texas, I have corresponded with David Lintz there several times - he has been very helpful. Good luck! Melissa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:01:54 -0700 (PDT) From: CHRISTINE DREW <cnd55444@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] Membership verification     question Thank you for your message.? I'm just "getting into" family searches, so your tips will be so helpful.? All I had to start with is a photo of my grandfather dressed in Indian clothing.? My aunt was not sure of thename of the organization, and my father has Alzheimer's, so this will be an adventure in history for me. Best regards.       ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    08/15/2009 12:20:51
    1. Re: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] Membership verification
    2. Melissa Hogan
    3. Glad to help, Christine. I think it is cool that you have a photo of him in his "attire". It wasn't until I found my ancestor's obituary that I heard the term "Red Men"... I was scratching my head over it for a while... well at least as long as it took me to get back home and "google" :<) ... The IORM still exist... their headquarters and museum are in Texas, I have corresponded with David Lintz there several times - he has been very helpful. Good luck! Melissa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:01:54 -0700 (PDT) From: CHRISTINE DREW <cnd55444@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] Membership verification question Thank you for your message.? I'm just "getting into" family searches, so your tips will be so helpful.? All I had to start with is a photo of my grandfather dressed in Indian clothing.? My aunt was not sure of thename of the organization, and my father has Alzheimer's, so this will be an adventure in history for me. Best regards.

    08/14/2009 10:04:56
    1. Re: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] Membership verification question
    2. CHRISTINE DREW
    3. Thank you for your message.  I'm just "getting into" family searches, so your tips will be so helpful.  All I had to start with is a photo of my grandfather dressed in Indian clothing.  My aunt was not sure of thename of the organization, and my father has Alzheimer's, so this will be an adventure in history for me. Best regards. ________________________________ From: Melissa Hogan <genealogistinal@yahoo.com> To: improved-order-of-red-men@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:38:07 AM Subject: Re: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] Membership verification question Christine My advice would be to start with his obituary.  If he was a member of a fraternal society such as the IORM then it would  be mentioned.  What about his tombstone?  Many times a cemetery marker was a "benefit" of the society... my ancestor was a member of several societies - IORM, Odd Fellows and Woodmen of the World... his marker is a WOW marker.  Another ancestor was a member of Odd Fellows and IORM, he has an Odd Fellows marker.  If you find reference that he was a member of a fraternal soceity check local and state archives to see if they have records related to them... the IORM had state and national meetings as well as local.  I was able to locate pamphlets on the state meeting at my state archives with references to my ancestor (he was an officer at the state level as well).  Mentions of local tribes are in these books as well. Melissa ________________________________ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:18:11 -0700 (PDT) From: CHRISTINE DREW <cnd55444@yahoo.com> Subject: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] Membership verification question I am trying to find out if my grandfather, Louis Edward Drew, was a member of the Indianapolis Tribe.? He passed away in February of 1933.? Thank you for any information you can provide. Christine Drew 2539 Brookdale Lane Brooklyn Park, MN 55444 cnd5544@yahoo.com       ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    08/14/2009 02:01:54
    1. Re: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] Membership verification question
    2. Melissa Hogan
    3. Christine My advice would be to start with his obituary. If he was a member of a fraternal society such as the IORM then it would be mentioned. What about his tombstone? Many times a cemetery marker was a "benefit" of the society... my ancestor was a member of several societies - IORM, Odd Fellows and Woodmen of the World... his marker is a WOW marker. Another ancestor was a member of Odd Fellows and IORM, he has an Odd Fellows marker. If you find reference that he was a member of a fraternal soceity check local and state archives to see if they have records related to them... the IORM had state and national meetings as well as local. I was able to locate pamphlets on the state meeting at my state archives with references to my ancestor (he was an officer at the state level as well). Mentions of local tribes are in these books as well. Melissa ________________________________ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:18:11 -0700 (PDT) From: CHRISTINE DREW <cnd55444@yahoo.com> Subject: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] Membership verification question I am trying to find out if my grandfather, Louis Edward Drew, was a member of the Indianapolis Tribe.? He passed away in February of 1933.? Thank you for any information you can provide. Christine Drew 2539 Brookdale Lane Brooklyn Park, MN 55444 cnd5544@yahoo.com

    08/14/2009 12:38:07
    1. Re: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] Membership verification question
    2. Denboer, David E SPC NG NG NGB
    3. Not sure on how Alquoqion was spelled in the area for the tribe or if they are Iroqouis, there are a lot of recognized and unrecognized tribes by state and federal along with internal tribal councils. I do not know if the Bureau has the information or the Nation's as I was not born on the reservation I came from. Do you know anything of a Denby, MN Band by chance? Both sides have a lot of mispellings like tribal and nation names, there has been restructing that has put some full blooded out and others that do not accept American ownership and property rights. Oligraphy might help as it did with my research, the European countries and Carribean territorities has slave documents saved before the USA was freed, tribes might of merged to become White and Christian depending on War Party obligations. Hope this helps. Specialist David Evan de Fouw of the Florida National Guard ----- Original Message ----- From: CHRISTINE DREW <cnd55444@yahoo.com> Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:18 pm Subject: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] Membership verification question To: IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN@rootsweb.com > I am trying to find out if my grandfather, Louis Edward Drew, was > a member of the Indianapolis Tribe. He passed away in February of > 1933. > > Thank you for any information you can provide. > > Christine Drew > 2539 Brookdale Lane > Brooklyn Park, MN 55444 > cnd5544@yahoo.com > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IMPROVED- > ORDER-OF-RED-MEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    08/13/2009 04:53:28
    1. [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] Membership verification question
    2. CHRISTINE DREW
    3. I am trying to find out if my grandfather, Louis Edward Drew, was a member of the Indianapolis Tribe.  He passed away in February of 1933.  Thank you for any information you can provide. Christine Drew 2539 Brookdale Lane Brooklyn Park, MN 55444 cnd5544@yahoo.com

    08/13/2009 05:18:11
    1. Re: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] Lenni Lenape Tribe No 12 - Albert HSilpath
    2. Suzanne Moller
    3. Thank you. I did hear from Mr. Lintz. He is looking through his records. Good advice about the state archives. I am planning a trip to NJ's in August. Suzanne Moller sjmoller1@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > [Original Message] > From: Melissa Hogan <genealogistinal@yahoo.com> > To: <improved-order-of-red-men@rootsweb.com> > Date: 7/11/2008 9:56:37 AM > Subject: Re: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] Lenni Lenape Tribe No 12 - Albert HSilpath > > Suzanne > > Definitely contact David Lintz at www.redmen.org. He can look through reports sent to the national organization if you believe your guy would have been a ranking member. Unfortunately they don't have much materials from the local societies... but do ask, you never know. > > I found the most useful information to be in the local and state archives, also check the local newspapers. I was able to locate the annual meeting books for the Alabama IORM organization at the Alabama Archives. I got VERY lucky in that my guy served at the state level in the organization - they had a photo of him in the annual meeting books... besides that in the annual meeting books you find reporting on the local tribes, necrology and lot of "business" stuff... interesting if you are trying to get a fuller picture of the individual. > > Melissa > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:02:01 -0400 > From: Suzanne Moller <sjmoller1@earthlink.net> > Subject: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] Lenni Lenape Tribe No 12 - Albert > H Silpath > > Hello. I have just found out about the Improved Order of Red Men. I came > across the death notice in the Philadelphia Inquirer from Oct 24, 1901 for > my several greats grandfather, Albert H. Silpath. The article said that the > "I O O P?F? Lenni Lenape Tribe No 12 Imp. O. R. M.," were invited to the > funeral services. When I enquired of my Burlington list about the meaning, > several helpful people pointed me to the redmen.org website and to this > list. So, my questions are, does anyone have any information about this > organization in Burlington around this time? Does anyone have any > information about Albert H. Silpath in relation to this group? > > Any information would be greatly appreciated. > > > Suzanne Moller > sjmoller1@earthlink.net > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN list administrator, send an email to > IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN mailing list, send an email to IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 5 > ******************************************************* > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    07/12/2008 09:29:55
    1. Re: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] Lenni Lenape Tribe No 12 - Albert H Silpath
    2. Melissa Hogan
    3. Suzanne Definitely contact David Lintz at www.redmen.org. He can look through reports sent to the national organization if you believe your guy would have been a ranking member. Unfortunately they don't have much materials from the local societies... but do ask, you never know. I found the most useful information to be in the local and state archives, also check the local newspapers. I was able to locate the annual meeting books for the Alabama IORM organization at the Alabama Archives. I got VERY lucky in that my guy served at the state level in the organization - they had a photo of him in the annual meeting books... besides that in the annual meeting books you find reporting on the local tribes, necrology and lot of "business" stuff... interesting if you are trying to get a fuller picture of the individual. Melissa ----- Original Message ---- Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:02:01 -0400 From: Suzanne Moller <sjmoller1@earthlink.net> Subject: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] Lenni Lenape Tribe No 12 - Albert H Silpath Hello. I have just found out about the Improved Order of Red Men. I came across the death notice in the Philadelphia Inquirer from Oct 24, 1901 for my several greats grandfather, Albert H. Silpath. The article said that the "I O O P?F? Lenni Lenape Tribe No 12 Imp. O. R. M.," were invited to the funeral services. When I enquired of my Burlington list about the meaning, several helpful people pointed me to the redmen.org website and to this list. So, my questions are, does anyone have any information about this organization in Burlington around this time? Does anyone have any information about Albert H. Silpath in relation to this group? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Suzanne Moller sjmoller1@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ------------------------------ To contact the IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN list administrator, send an email to IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN mailing list, send an email to IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 5 *******************************************************

    07/11/2008 12:56:37
    1. [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] Lenni Lenape Tribe No 12 - Albert H Silpath
    2. Suzanne Moller
    3. Hello. I have just found out about the Improved Order of Red Men. I came across the death notice in the Philadelphia Inquirer from Oct 24, 1901 for my several greats grandfather, Albert H. Silpath. The article said that the "I O O P?F? Lenni Lenape Tribe No 12 Imp. O. R. M.," were invited to the funeral services. When I enquired of my Burlington list about the meaning, several helpful people pointed me to the redmen.org website and to this list. So, my questions are, does anyone have any information about this organization in Burlington around this time? Does anyone have any information about Albert H. Silpath in relation to this group? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Suzanne Moller sjmoller1@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

    07/10/2008 02:02:01
    1. Re: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] Health benefits question
    2. David Lintz
    3. Melissa, Good to hear from you again. Benefits varied from state to state and even among various tribes and councils within a state. Some states had basic guidelines, but I believe much of the decision making was left up to the local groups. Much depended on what fees members were assessed (this was in addition to their dues) and with what insurance group they went with, and there were several set up over the years to handle fraternal insurance. In many groups members could choose whether or not they wanted to be a part of the beneficiary degree of the tribe. Some tribes were fairly wealthy and kept their own accounts and invested the proceeds to pay benefits. Amounts paid out varied from tribe to tribe also and what was covered varied. David Lintz, Director Red Men Museum and Library

    03/17/2008 03:30:04
    1. Re: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] introduction and request
    2. David Lintz
    3. Sharon, While all of the old members from the 20s might be dead, the tribe in Ft. Bragg is very much alive and functioning. Brian Riehl of Fort Arena is the Chief of Records (secretary) (hcnation@mcn.org). The group meets at the IWA Hall on Redwood Ave. on the 1st and 3rd Fridays. He may have historical information or know someone in the area who does. David Lintz, Director Red Men Museum and Library

    03/17/2008 03:11:00
    1. Re: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] Indiana Tribe
    2. MaryAnn Tyre
    3. Hi David, Am I correct in assuming that each Tribe was run independently and did not answer to a higher council? My Uncle was a member of IORM 104 in West Terre Haute, Indiana. He also belonged to the Haymakers and Degree of Pocahontas, are they an extension of the IORM. Are there any records of officers from 1910? I have written to several State Officers in the past years and received no answers. I have a very elaborate badge for lack of a better term. Large metal medallion with heavy ribbons hanging from it, one with a gold fringe on the bottom. Thank you for any information you are able to give me. Mary Ann Lankford Tyre Researching: Lankford, Sterling and related families

    03/17/2008 01:51:50
    1. Re: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] introduction and request
    2. barbgeni
    3. Improved Order of Red Men in the 'US Societies' reference book. What I have comes from the 1995 edition. The address is 4521 Speight Ave, Waco, TX 76711-1708. Phone number 817-756-4828. The organization was founded in 1765. It is a fraternal society of American citizens. Contributes to braille system for the blind and to program for retarded children. The Degree of Pocahontas is for Red Men and their female relatives and friends. The Cyclopaedia of Fraternities (1907) has several pages of interesting information on the organization. My library is not a large one but does have an original copy. My Grandfather was a very active member, I have many badges he received from out of town meetings he attended over the years. They range from the early 1900's to the mid 1930's. I also have his Past Great Sachems Association Card dated 2 April 1953. Mom said when she was a girl (probably the 1910-1930 range) they had regular dances. Everyone came and brought all their kids, a grand time was had by all. Barb

    03/16/2008 12:56:18
    1. Re: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] introduction and request
    2. Nancy McNicol
    3. Hello David! Thank you so much for all this wonderful information. (I was trying to find ways to learn these things without taking up more of YOUR time!) This is an area of history with which I am very unfamiliar, but it's giving me an even better picture of an ancestor for whom I have gained much respect while researching his life and heritage. Also, I have the card ready to mail. It will go out tomorrow morning. Thank you again for all your time and help. Nancy -----Original Message----- From: improved-order-of-red-men-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:improved-order-of-red-men-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of dolintz@grandecom.net Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 11:14 PM To: improved-order-of-red-men@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN] introduction and request Nancy, Hello again. During the heyday of American fraternalism (roughly 1880s-late 1920s) men belonged to a fraternal group for several reasons--sick benefits and funeral benefits being a couple of the major ones. Groups that offered their members some form of health/sickness insurance proved popular, especially during the years prior to Social Security and before employers had some type of health plan. Many men belonged to several groups. The Improved Order of Red Men, along with others, offered weekly payment when a man could not work, paid or partially funeral costs, and paid a weekly benefit to the orphans of a family until they turned 16 or 18, and paid the widow a stipend for a certain length or time or until she remarried. These were very appealing to men who wanted to provide for their families if they themselves became ill or disabled or killed. Of course, there were the other obvious reasons for joining--political, business, and social. Sometimes one had to join one or more groups in a city or town to stay in the good graces of the movers and shakers. Fraternal groups competed heavily for members and modified their rituals and increased their offerings to attract members. It is said that in the 1920s in the US one in four, and maybe one in three men, belonged to a fraternal organization of some sort. Keep in mind that basically, throughout their histories, all fraternal groups were created to include someone or exclude someone. That was the nature of "joining" in the latter part of the 19th and first half of the 20th century. As for the claims about succession from the Sons of Liberty to the Improved Order of Red Men in 1834, I have some long and convoluted research I have done in the past few years that shows a connection. I can provide some of that information if you are interested. Let me know if there are any other questions and thank you for your continued interest. David Lintz, Director Red Men Museum and Library ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IMPROVED-ORDER-OF-RED-MEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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