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Hi all. I don't have any answers to these questions about Native American ancestors in southern Illinois, but as you all know any/everything is fair game for our list, as long as it's related to genealogy in Williamson County and doesn't include lots of nasty insults directed at anyone in particular. :> I did some research for a friend a couple of years ago, and below are a couple of the websites that I found useful in trying to track down Cherokee info in the area. The first one is out-of-date, I think, but both of these have some book titles that might end up being useful to you if you're trying to track Trail of Tears/Cherokee info in the area... http://www.kirch.net/personal/melodie.html http://www.allthingscherokee.com/genealogy_booksandsoftware.html Also if you check out the IL History Project (address below), and scroll about halfway down, there are a bunch of links to info about Native Americans in Illinois. I've always wondered if many of the supposedly-Cherokee ancestors in southern IL were really from the Kaskaskia, Tamaroa, Peoria, etc tribes, and somehow the stories have just gotten mixed-up as they were passed down. There were lots of Native Americans in IL, and you assume therefore lots of people of Native American descent, whether they know it or not, and maybe some are Cherokee and some aren't?? Anyway, I never had much luck with the Native American research for my friend, but I did keep these links, so I hope they might be more helpful to someone else... http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilhistor/links.html Angela

Hi Bill, I sent the below to Jean BEFORE receiving your message. Interesting how we agree on several point? Larry Scott San Antonio, Tx --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:26:08 -0600 Subject: Re: Native Americans in southern Illinois Greetings Jean, Not sure I can help you much but to give you some circumstantial evidence. On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:22:26 EST [email protected] writes: > I know one of the Trail of Tears routes went across the southern tip > of Illinois not far from Williamson Co. Connection to the Trail of > Tears seems more logical than the alternative explanations This has been my theory too. Appreciate your confirmation. I agree completely with this scenario. I have connected my Daniels ancestors there in So. ILL to Indians who ended up in Oklahoma. In fact, I have connected to a living descendent of the Oklahoma Daniels. Before we contacted, he had already proven his Indian blood in 3 of his four grand parents. He is a member of an Indian tribe today. The fourth is the one who is connected to me, a Daniel. These Daniel(s) ancestors of his came to Oklahoma from So. Ill. and settled on the reservation. We know that one of them married an Indian there so I am convined that he too was Indian. Here's my theory on how this came about. Along the way, it appears that some of the Indians decided to split off from the group and setlled in various areas. (So. Ill. being one of them) In some cases they were successful in merging into the society where they stopped. However, in the case of some of my relatives, they eventually decided to follow the earlier group(s). So, some of them stayed in Illinois and some moved on to AR and OK. > But herein lies my problem. My Cherokee ancestor was in Illinois by > his marriage date of 1825. His grand children have roll #s. > Can anyone recommend any books that might point me in the right > direction for learning the history of the native Americans in southern Illinois? I am very interested in any response/information you find so please let me know. Larry Scott San Antonio, TX

Dear list members: I am in need of some advice as to Indians in southern Illinois. I have become aware of a family members (3rd great grandfather) being of the Cherokee tribe. I know one of the Trail of Tears routes went across the southern tip of Illinois not far from Williamson Co. Connection to the Trail of Tears seems more logical than the alternative explanations of Cherokees being native to Illinois or a Cherokee pioneer migration to Illinois. But herein lies my problem. My Cherokee ancestor was in Illinois by his marriage date of 1825. His grand children have roll #s. Can anyone recommend any books that might point me in the right direction for learning the history of the native Americans in southern Illinois? Thank you for any response. Regards, Jean Wilson [email protected]

Jean, I have some of the same questions you have. My mother was born in Golconda, Pope County, and there has always been a family story about our Cherokee ancestry. Since the northerly route of the Trail Where They Cried crossed the Ohio River by ferry at Golconda, I used to speculate that my mother's ancestors had slipped away, hid out, managed to pass for white, and that my mother's family had descended from them. Although I live in California, last year I visited Marion (Williamson Co.), where I still have distant relatives; Harrisburg (Williamson Co.), near the cemetery where many of my mother's ancestors are buried, including my mother's mother and aunts; Brookport (Massac Co.) where my father and his family were from; and Golconda (Pope Co.). In Golconda I met with a local historian, Mildred McCormick, who proved to be very helpful. I discussed with her my speculations. I had many questions about the Trail through Golconda. Basically she disagreed with me about my theory. According to Mildred, there was not a lot of sympathy in the area for the people on the Trail, that the main concern of the locals at the time was to move them out of the area as quickly as possible. Consequently opportunities to slip away and hide out were close to nonexistent. I still reserve the possibility of my theory but it could only be true (1) if Mildred were somehow wrong or (2) that maybe there is an overriding concern among the modern inhabitant families of the area, some of whom have been there for between at least 180 years, to not have it shown that they have Indian blood in their family. Indians are, after all, people of "color". Plus, although Indians are "cool" among many people today, to many others, they are not to be talked about. When my own mother was 5 or 6 years of age, her mother told her to never tell anyone that she is Indian. Many people today don't want the subject to ever come up. This is a possibility I wonder about but push to the back of my mind while I follow another direction and I certainly hope that no one on this list is offended by my words. On another GenForum list, the list administrator doesn't even allow discussions of Indian ancestry on the list. Since I am new to this list, I don't know what the consensus or the rules are here. The new direction is one you should consider, Jean. That direction is that your Cherokee ancestry came from another branch or generation or both and then ended up in the Southern Illinois area. I'm discovering that is true in my family history. Then I have also other relatives who fought in the Black Hawk War against the Sauk and Fox Indians of Illinois to open up more territory for settlers. The Cherokee to my knowledge were not inhabitants of Southern California. The Shawnee were the most prevalent of that area. But I could be wrong about all of this and would like to hear what others know. I wonder who your Cherokee ancestors are, Jean, since we could be relatives and would like to know about that too. Others on the list - if you have any answers, please pass them on. Thanks for any help. Bill Neal [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 6:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Native Americans in southern Illinois Dear list members: I am in need of some advice as to Indians in southern Illinois. I have become aware of a family members (3rd great grandfather) being of the Cherokee tribe. I know one of the Trail of Tears routes went across the southern tip of Illinois not far from Williamson Co. Connection to the Trail of Tears seems more logical than the alternative explanations of Cherokees being native to Illinois or a Cherokee pioneer migration to Illinois. But herein lies my problem. My Cherokee ancestor was in Illinois by his marriage date of 1825. His grand children have roll #s. Can anyone recommend any books that might point me in the right direction for learning the history of the native Americans in southern Illinois? Thank you for any response. Regards, Jean Wilson [email protected] ==== ILWILLIA Mailing List ==== Check out the Williamson County, ILGenWeb Archives: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/il/williamson/williamson.htm ============================== 9 Health Tips for Computer Genealogists http://www.thirdage.com/features/tech/ouch/

Hi everyone, I've asked about my uncle before, but it was some time ago. Maybe somebody new to the list may know of him. This is the only one of my grandfather's brothers that I'm having trouble with. Matt was born in Poland on 17 Feb 1882. Census records (if I'm reading the handwriting correctly) say he arrived in America in 1902 or 1903. Two other brothers arrived in America in 1903 - one in New York, the other in Philadelphia. Matt did not travel with either of his brothers. -- Matt's W.W.I Draft Registration shows him living in Witt (Montgomery Co.), Illinois in 1918. -- 1920 US Census shows him living with the Pristach family at 310 E. Fourth St., Johnston City, IL. -- In 1922 Matt's brother, Albert, was working with him in the coal mines for the winter. The two men were walking across the railroad tracks when Albert was hit by a passenger train and killed - 7 Jan 1922. -- In June 1937, when Matt filled out an SS-5 form for his SSN, he was living at 1014 W. 5th St., Johnston City, IL. He was working for W.P.A. in Johnston City. Can anyone help me with Matt? Does anyone know of him? I can't seem to find his naturalization paperwork. (The other three brothers all filed in Logan County, where they married and raised their families.) Matt never married and never had children -- to the best of my knowledge. Any information on Matt will be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Carol in So. California Researching: Twardos, Wne~k, Swierkocz, Abel, Fleckenstein, Gottfried, Krebs

I am searching for dates on the HENSHAW SCHOOL, located in Williamson Co., Stonefort, IL. Would anyone have access to this information? I know it would have been started in the mid to late 1800's and ended probably around 1920. Could anyone help me? Thanks, Linda Holmes White Henshaw descendent [email protected]

Hi Lists, Will kind soul help me do look-up in Marriage Record of Douglas Carter to Sarah Caroline Vantrease. One of the family said they were married in Carterville, Illinois in June 13, 1866. I have looked very closely in Illinois Marriage Web Site and couldn't find it. I am wonder if the family was wrong. Will you keep me in mind if you go to courthouse? Can you help me? Bless you for reading my letter here. Thank. Teresa from Oklahoma

I am trying to locate my father, Roy Anglin, in Williamson, IL. I know he was there at the age of 16 (1913) but believed the family (Father: John Anglin, Mother: Nancy) moved their prior to that time. Thank you for any help you can give me. Mary Phillips

Would anyone have access to look up for me what year the HENSHAW SCHOOL DIST. #74 was started and when ended? Thanks, Linda Holmes White [email protected]

Everyone, I am sorry that this is such an ongoing issue. For those of you who are having trouble (and again, I know that most of you aren't, so if all is well with you, you don't need to let me know), try this: http://livin4.com/williamson/index.html Some browsers on some operating systems aren't able to "assume" that they should pull of the index site of a website, unless you type it in explicitly...so try this, and again let me know if there are problems... Angela

I am researching the above names in Illinois. I have found that John J.L. JENKINS and Loretta KEELIN married on Oct. 4, 1885 in Williamson Co. Illinois. John J.L. JENKINS was the son of John D. and Ellen (WARD) JENKINS and Loretta KEELIN was the daughter of George William and Sarah L. Elizabeth (LASWELL) KEELIN. Any information on any of the above would be appreciated. Thank you. Rita DonCarlos

Hi all. Hope everyone is having a good year so far! :-) Fount Allen DUNN, born in Caldwell County, KY in Septemeber, 1888, married Herman Lee GOWER, born about 1896 in Tunnell Hill, Illinois. Herman's parents were John Wilson GOWER and Mary Alice RENDELMAN. John Wilson's parents were William Washington GOWER and Susan (last name unknown). I have noticed a few spots on the net where Fount's name is listed as Fount ALLEN but her last name was DUNN and she and her twin sister, Faye, had the name ALLEN as a middle name. Most of Fount's family moved to SE Missouri but she apparently married GOWER and lived in Illinois. I don't know if they had children and I know no more about Fount or Herman. But I'm looking for information/descendants/ancestors for either of them. If you know anything about this GOWER family or about Fount DUNN, please email me. Thanks! Denise http://www.challengenet.com/price/index.spml

Seeking info on James W Taylor and related families. He was born `1834 in KY or TN. Would like to know who his parents and siblings were. He died 1876 buried in Hurricane Cemetery Carterville Williamson CO IL. He was on the Jackson CO IL census as a shoe maker in 1870. He was in Atilla Williamson CO IL as a farmer in 1860. His widow Milly Malone Ray Taylor and children whom were listed as coal miners were on the 1880 Williamson CO IL census. Milly married William Glasscock in 1882 in Carterville. He was known as Glassy. He was from Green CO TN and was a resident of Jackson CO IL. Milly was the daughter of Willa/Wylie/Wilie/Willis Ray and Louisa Carter Ray. Louisa was born abt. 18 o9 in NC. She and children were on the 1850 Henderson CO TN census. Children were listed as follows.... 1. Martha Ray 23 TN, Mary Ray 20 TN, Wilson N Ray 21 TN, Francis Ray 13 TN, Milly Ray 11 TN, Louisa Ray 9 TN, Newton Ray 7 TN, Emily Ray 4 TN, Catherine Ray 3 TN, There was a Martha Ray and family living by James W Taylor and Milly in Atilla 1860 and a William Ray and wife with a daughter Harriet. on the 1860 Atilla Williamson CO IL census. Thanks, Rita visit my webpage at http://www.zyworld.com/Precious3/ for more familiy connections to Williamson CO IL.

Is anyone researching the Weavers or Hartwells of Williamson Co.? Thanks Debbie in Indiana Researching Davis _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Looking for information on Douglas Carter, born 1846 in Macon County, Tennessee. He was married to Sarah Caroline Vantrease on June 13, 1866 in Carterville, Illinois. I have look up in your web site plus Illinois web site and didn't found any record of their marriage. Can anybody do a look-up for me to see if it exist on their marriage? Right now, I do not know who is Douglas Carter's parents. Just know that Douglas Carter had died in Raleigh, IL in 1873. I am trying to find my roots, my ancestors, and solved the puzzles and mysteries to the Carter's of mine. I believe Douglas Carter is my great great grandfather. Will you help me? Bless you. Teresa from Oklahoma

Happy New Year! I am searching for families connected to the Peterson Family from Carterville Illinois in 1880. Page 509, 1880 Census, Carterville Precinct-Enumerated 22-25 June 1880: Eliga Peterson, 56 w m, Farmer, born in N.C., and both of his parents born in N.C. His Spouse: Mary Jane 42 w f, keeping house, born in IL. Their children: Rufuss J. w m, 22, Son/Farmer born in IL. Debbie w f, 15 daughter, at home, born in IL. Grant, wm, 11, son, Farm laborer, born in IL. Eliza, w f, 7, daughter, born in IL. I descend from the sister of Eliga Peterson: Blanche Peterson who is found on page 120 in the Williamson County 1880 Census, the Northern Precinct, Enumerated Jun 8th-July 7th, 1880. She is found with her spouse, James Price Butler and their children. Butler, James P. w m 35, Farmer, born in Tenn., and both of his parents born in Tenn. His Spouse: Blanche, w f, 37, Wife/Keeping House, born in N.C. Their children: William, w m 20, born in IL John, w m 18, born in IL Mary w f, 11, born in IL Louis W., wm 8, born in IL James, wm 5 born in IL Blanche Peterson Butler died in 1881, and is listed in the census as being "sick." The daughter of Blanche Peterson-Butler and James Price Butler was my Great Grandmother, Mary Elmina Butler-Doughty, the spouse of Andrew Jasper Doughty. I have photographs of Mary Peterson and Grant Peterson, and have a desire to connect with the Peterson Family. The four sons of Blanche Peterson Butler, cannot be located anywhere after the 1880 census in Illinois. Two of the sons are reported to have moved to St. Louis, Missouri after the death of their Mother in 1881. Thank you, Dennis Doughty

Angela, Yes, I get the window to put a pass word in. -- Vi Poland

Angela Place wrote: > Hi all. Thanks for respondingto my question about the new address needing > a password. The overall consensus for most was that they hadn't had any > trouble; for those who did see the "password request," it vanished after > they just tried the address a second time. I am non-high-tech enough to > admit that I have no clue what that's all about, but I am working with a > livin4.com tech guy to figure it out. Hopefully, 99% of you will have no > problems, and those that do should try just reloading the website. If > that fails, let me know. > > Laugh of the day: I live in Kansas City, and on the night of December 31, > 1900, the city held a big ball and buried a time capsule. Our mayor > opned that capsule yesterday, and we buried a new one for the year 2101. > The first thing that came out of the 1900 capsule was a letter from the KC > mayor in 1900, addressed to the KC mayor in 2000. Our current mayor read > the letter out loud in front of a crowd of about 1000 people. It began, > "Dear Sir," which wouldn't be funny, except that our mayor is Kay Barnes, > a lady. :> > > Angela > > ==== ILWILLIA Mailing List ==== > Check out the Williamson County, ILGenWeb Archives: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/il/williamson/williamson.htm Whqat else was in the time capsule

Hi all. Thanks for respondingto my question about the new address needing a password. The overall consensus for most was that they hadn't had any trouble; for those who did see the "password request," it vanished after they just tried the address a second time. I am non-high-tech enough to admit that I have no clue what that's all about, but I am working with a livin4.com tech guy to figure it out. Hopefully, 99% of you will have no problems, and those that do should try just reloading the website. If that fails, let me know. Laugh of the day: I live in Kansas City, and on the night of December 31, 1900, the city held a big ball and buried a time capsule. Our mayor opned that capsule yesterday, and we buried a new one for the year 2101. The first thing that came out of the 1900 capsule was a letter from the KC mayor in 1900, addressed to the KC mayor in 2000. Our current mayor read the letter out loud in front of a crowd of about 1000 people. It began, "Dear Sir," which wouldn't be funny, except that our mayor is Kay Barnes, a lady. :> Angela