Kathy Again I thank you for your help, I also have no problem and am willing to pay you for your help. I have( thanks to you) much info on the Hatfield side, but still need to get pass my gggrandfather Van Buren McCray. What help can you provide, I would like a copy of Edward's death cert., possible it gives more info on his father. Also I believe VB died about 1911 in Grundy, any help there? Mike