In the last few weeks there have been a few messages on one or more lists that have nothing to do with Genealogy. I don't want to be a scrooge, but the purpose of these lists (ILBOND-L, ILCLAY-L, and ILWILL-L) is to discuss genealogy for Bond, Clay and Will counties in Illinois. If you have a problem with what someone does post to the list, please either reply to that person privately, or send me a message. I will contact those people privately if they are not staying on topic, and remove their ability to send messages, if necessary. Please don't send messages to the list to wish everyone greetings, but if you are sending a message on genealogy feel free to attach a brief greeting, if you'd like. Please reply to me privately at [email protected] if you have any comments about this memo, unless you feel that the entire 100+ people on each list would benefit from your note. Thank You and Happy Holidays, Ted Cash, listowner.

Sorry, Sue. I can't help. If you run into Beechers (my grandfather's family), let me know. Good luck. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 8:41 AM Subject: [ILWILL-L] Degil / Koppelman / Kohlhagen >Hadley Cemetery Homer Twp., Will Co., IL Cemetery book has a listing for - >Dorothea _______ of John DEGIL (probably should be wife of ) >nee KOPPELMAN >geb - 26 June 1830 & gest 6 April 1873 > >I am trying to figure out how she is related to my gg grandmother Dora >(KOPPELMAN) KOHLHAGEN (1819-1890) who is buried in the plot next to her. > >Also buried in this plot are Fritz KOPELMAN (1825-1891) & his wife Mary >(1835-1873). How are they related to the above? > >[email protected] > >

Hadley Cemetery Homer Twp., Will Co., IL Cemetery book has a listing for - Dorothea _______ of John DEGIL (probably should be wife of ) nee KOPPELMAN geb - 26 June 1830 & gest 6 April 1873 I am trying to figure out how she is related to my gg grandmother Dora (KOPPELMAN) KOHLHAGEN (1819-1890) who is buried in the plot next to her. Also buried in this plot are Fritz KOPELMAN (1825-1891) & his wife Mary (1835-1873). How are they related to the above? [email protected]

Does an 1840 Census or Tax list exist fo Will Co.? I have traced Charles Gatliff, Christina Gatliff, and Thomas C. Gatliff to Will Co. "near Lockport" in 1835, where they bought property. Christina d. between 1840 and 1850. She may be buried near Lockport. Anyone have a Death Index? Extremely important that I locate Charles and Christina obit.! Thanks--Ron

I'm having the same luck finding my great-grandparents. Sorry that I can't help. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Daniel Knight <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, December 12, 1999 11:45 AM Subject: [ILWILL-L] Looking for Barrs, 1960s to present >Hello, i'm trying to determine what happened to my relatives James Worrell >Barr and wife Louisa Britt Barr. They were living in Joliet, IL, by c. 1950 >and still there in 1963. A cousin thinks Louisa died in Arizona about 1968, >but I can find no record of it. Are there Joliet city directories I could >get anyone to check? Is there a cemetery where they would likely be buried? > I have a death date (not sure of the source) for Louisa; the cousin said >she died in Arizona, but the folks in Arizona could find no record of it. >Perhaps since she had lived in Joliet for so long, there was an obituary >there? > >Louisa Britt Barr, daughter of Joseph E. Britt SR (d. 1958) and first wife >Zennie McGee Britt (d. 1912), was born in Georgia in 1906. I have record of >her in Joliet from obituaries in 1954, 1958, and 1963, and from a deed in >1958/59. Her brother died childless, and her father's obituary mentions >several grandkids (no names), so I presume she must have had children. > >I live in Georgia and so am quite a distance away. Can anyone suggest >sources I could try or people I could contact? Most on-line records seem to >be pre-1900, so I'm having a hard time finding these people (no luck with >SSDI or switchboard). > >Thank-you for any help or suggestions, >Sincerely, >Danny Knight, >LaGrange, GA > >

Hello, i'm trying to determine what happened to my relatives James Worrell Barr and wife Louisa Britt Barr. They were living in Joliet, IL, by c. 1950 and still there in 1963. A cousin thinks Louisa died in Arizona about 1968, but I can find no record of it. Are there Joliet city directories I could get anyone to check? Is there a cemetery where they would likely be buried? I have a death date (not sure of the source) for Louisa; the cousin said she died in Arizona, but the folks in Arizona could find no record of it. Perhaps since she had lived in Joliet for so long, there was an obituary there? Louisa Britt Barr, daughter of Joseph E. Britt SR (d. 1958) and first wife Zennie McGee Britt (d. 1912), was born in Georgia in 1906. I have record of her in Joliet from obituaries in 1954, 1958, and 1963, and from a deed in 1958/59. Her brother died childless, and her father's obituary mentions several grandkids (no names), so I presume she must have had children. I live in Georgia and so am quite a distance away. Can anyone suggest sources I could try or people I could contact? Most on-line records seem to be pre-1900, so I'm having a hard time finding these people (no luck with SSDI or switchboard). Thank-you for any help or suggestions, Sincerely, Danny Knight, LaGrange, GA

Would Michael Vidmar please contact me. He posted information about Emma in the Will Grundy Genealogical Society Autumn 1999, and I believe this is the sister to my Sophia Dirkes from Pecklesheim, Germany. I have lots on this side of the family. Hope to hear from you soon. Arlene [email protected]

-----Original Message----- Earl V Kueny <[email protected]> wrote: Just a thought on the autograph book re Jno Wells. Jno was a Scandinavian way of spelling John/Jon. I worked with a police officer in Des Moines, IA that spelled his first name Jno, and he explained the spelling to me And, Earl, Jno. is a historical English abbreviation for JOHN. Source: Webster's Dictionary. Quite common.

Just a thought on the autograph book re Jno Wells. Jno was a Scandinavian way of spelling John/Jon. I worked with a police officer in Des Moines, IA that spelled his first name Jno, and he explained the spelling to me.

Hi everyone, I have the autograph book that belonged to my great-grandmother, Alice Lillian RAY. Alice was born at Plainfield on 3 Sep 1859, and died at Rensselear, Jasper County, Indiana in 1944. The autograph book was given to her as a Christmas present on 25 December 1878. The book is brown, approx. 4 x 7 inches, and contains signatures dating into the early 1880's. In 1879, Alice attended North Western College at Plainfield. This institution was the predecessor of North Central College, now located at Naperville. The book contains several autographs of students at N.W.C., plus various family members and friends. I thought that by chance, the book might be beneficial to members of this list, in that it could possibly contain autographs of some of their ancestors. So, I decided to post the names, dates, and towns of the individuals who signed the book. I won't guarantee that I got the spellings absolutely correct, because the old script handwriting is difficult to read in some cases. If the spelling is questionable, I have put (sp?) to the right of the entry. Hopefully, this data might be of interest to some Will County researchers. A. W. Sindlinger Dec. 29, 1878 Naperville, IL R. W. Tyler Feb. 8, 1880 Henry C. Smith Feb. 14, 1879 North Western College Ida L. Murray Feb. 12, 1879 Naperville, IL Nellie J. Stratton Mar. 13, 1880 Plainfield, IL Ida Lotz Sep. 9, 1879 Lockport, IL Mrs. Mary J. Barthoff (or Bartholf)(sp?) Jun. 15, 1879 Plainfield Laura Steward Jan. 2, 1879 Sublette Eva M. Bannister (or Barrish)(sp?) Feb. 23, 1879 Edward Lewis Mar. 16, 1884 Chicago, IL Hale Bannister Feb. 23, 1879 Jessie E.(sp?) Murray Feb. 12, 1879 Naperville Chris Whitley Aug. 31, 1879 Fannie Campbell Jan 23, 1879 Naperville and also N.W.C. May S. Bucks Jan 20, 1879 Plainfield and also N.W.C. L.H.T.(initials only) (This is Lansing Howard Tyler, my great-grandfather; Lansing and Alice were not yet married at the time of his signing) Maggie (no last name) Jan 1, 1879 Estella Allen Jun 26, 1884 Plainfield T. W. Heichner(sp?) 1879 N.W.C. Lettie M. Ray Jun 24, 1880 New York City Gertrude M. Rote(sp?) Jan 6, 1879 Cass, IL and N.W.C. Carrie Huggins Jan 6, 1879 Cass, IL Mary Goss Ida D. Havens Jan 6, 1879 Cass, IL and N.W.C. Orra M. George Jun 15, 1882 Crescent City, IL Jno.(junior) Wills Jan 7, 1879 Plainfield and N.W.C. Mary Ella Musselman(sp?) Naperville and N.W.C. Jane Crampton(sp?) Jan 9, 1879 N.W.C. H. C. Halderman(sp?) Mar 4, 1879 Galion, OH and N.W.C. Edward Ebbs Feb 5, 1879 Vida Tyler Apr 15, 1881 Joliet, IL Lizzie F. Baker Jan 10, 1879 Lemont(sp?), PA and N.W.C S. S. Tyler Apr 10, 1881 Joliet Linnie M. Struther(sp?) Feb 20, 1879 N.W.C. Bob (no last name) Aug 31, 1879 N.W.C. Estella Gibb May 14, 1879 Sheridan Allie George Dec 16, 1879 Crescent City, IL Minnie Wright Barber Mar 22, 1879 (has notation: "Died in spring of 1900") Florance Keene Feb 4, 1880 D. C. Sindlinger Jan 18, 1879 Naperville and N.W.C. Kittie D. Bush (or Rush)(sp?) Feb 9, 1880 Joliet G. S.(sp?) Bartholf Apr 9, 1879 Plainfield Laura Greenwood Plainfield S. H. Sherwood Feb 25, 1879 Shabbona, IL Lettie J. Smiley Mar 2, 1880 Plainfield W. I. Suiter Mar 3, 1879 Lock Haven, PA and N.W.C. Edwin F. Steffen Jan 21, 1879 Blue Earth City, MN Celia M. Goss Feb 18, 1886 H. H. Rassweiler Feb 26, 1879 N.W.C.(a teacher) C. W. Deeming Jul 9, 1879 Bessie H. Hodges Feb 6, 1879 Naperville and Sublette, IL Mrs. L. C. Sindlinger Emma Dreisbach Feb 13, 1879 Circleville, OH Minnie E. Smiley Mar 1, 1880 Plainfield (has notation: "Killed by the cars, 1909) (first initial indistinguishable) Nellie Good Feb 26, 1879 Mable V. Swalm Feb 22, 1886 Clara Deeming Aug 26, 1879 C. E. King Feb 15, 1879 Naperville and N.W.C. R. Whitley, Sr. A. E. Tyler Carrie Dahlem Feb 27, 1879 Naperville and N.W.C. Etta Simmons Jan 24, 1884 Will J. Bartholf May 10, 1879 Plainfield J. S.(sp?) Reinhard Mar 3, 1879 Fleetwood, PA and N.W.C Laura Tyler Apr 18, 1881 Wheatland, IL Lizzie Schreiner Milledgeville, IL Ann L. Tyler Feb 16, 1886 Plainfield Hattie (or Mattie) Good Mar 4, 1879 Naperville and N.W.C. Carrie E. Tyler Apr 18, 1881 Allie Ashley Mar 15, 1879 Plainfield A. H. Tyler Apr 17, 1881 Wheatland Belle Brewster Feb 20, 1879 Wellsboro, Tioga Co., PA and N.W.C. Ruth Whitley Aug 25, 1879 Lockport, IL Adda M. Hutton Sep 28, 1879 Lockport, IL Mrs. Florence Dickson Isabel McCreery(sp?) Apr 5, 1879 Fannie S.(or L.) Stratton Mar 18, 1880 Plainfield Carrie Ashley Mar 16, 1879 Plainfield Jessie L. Smiley Mar 2, 1880 Plainfield Walter Hopkins Sep 5, 1879 Lockport, IL and N.W.C. Kittie Kinsella Aug 23, 1883 Wilmington, IL Leoti(sp?) C. Dexter Sublette, IL Alfred J. McCreiry(sp?) Apr 1st (no year) Plainfield Dave Tyler Fort Worth, TX Researching the TYLER and RAY families in Wheatland Twp., Will County.

Received the following message, and am forwarding it. Hope it is helpful to someone. Please respond to Wayne, not me. His address is below. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Reed mailto:[email protected] My ancestor, Charles Reed was the founder of Joliet. I have some family tree and historical information on the family. Who would be interested in it? Wayne Reed RR 3, Box 1118 Linton IN 47441 [email protected] --

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 2:20 PM Subject: [ILWILL-L] Black Hawk War It is said that my ancestor Cornelius Covenhoven VAN HORNE, an early settler of Will co., fought in the BLACK HAWK WAR. Is anyone familiar with this war and those who served from Will county? Lisa - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Simply enter BLACK HAWK WAR in the Alta Vista search engine, click search and read all about it. You will be surprised to know thet Aberham Lincoln served in this war. HJ in Dallas

For Your Information, If you haven't checked out the "Biographies" section of the Will Co, IL webpage, you might want to check it from time to time. Margie Glenn has volunteered to scan in portions of her copy of the book (from time to time) and send me the biographies. As I receive them, they will be posted on the website. About 2 weeks ago, several new bios were added to Joliet Twsp; today all of the bios were added for Lockport Twsp and Reed Twsp. Note: if you are searching and get to an entry that has a lot of surnames (more than six), look for a message that says something like "Names to be added:" --> This means that we have not yet entered the bios for these people. If others of you have books about Will Co that are more than 75 years old, and a scanner, please consider volunteering to improve the site with the information. Thanks to Margie -- and Thanks to all of you for helping to make it a better site. Comments are always welcome. Ted Researching BREMER, CASH, CORNELIUS, HARTWIG, JENNINGS, MANNING, MORTENSEN, PIEPHO, SEEGERS Personal Website: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cash/ USGenWeb Coordinator for http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilbond - Bond Co, IL http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilclay - Clay Co, IL http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilwill - Will Co, IL Support public genealogy - join or sponsor the RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative. http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

Try searching this site. I don't know how complete it is. My IL ancestors are post-Black Hawk War. So I haven't used it to search for anyone. Good luck :) <A HREF="http://www.sos.state.il.us/depts/archives/blkhawk.html">Black Hawk War Database</A> http://www.sos.state.il.us/depts/archives/blkhawk.html Barry Jernigan

Lisa I do not know if this site will help or not http://www.cfcsc.dnd.ca/links/milhist/ Good luck Dave

It is said that my ancestor Cornelius Covenhoven VAN HORNE, an early settler of Will co., fought in the BLACK HAWK WAR. Is anyone familiar with this war and those who served from Will county? Lisa

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According to Will-Grundy Counties, Illinois Genealogical Society Quarterly, Autumn 1999, Vol XVIII, No. 1, Giovanni Franco Tepatti married Emma Elizabeth Dirkes who is a sister to my ggg grandmother, Sophia Dirkes, from Pecklesheim, Germany. Could Michael Vidmar please contact me as I have more information on Dirkes family. Thank you Will-Grundy Co. Genealogy Society-for we have been looking for other members of this family. Arlene [email protected]

my gr grandfather died while working at a poor farm in iowa in 1888-sadly 70yrs later his son spent his last years in the very building that existed in the 1800's, only it was a "county facility" by then-still a dump. when mother and i stopped in 1997 at the courthouse, looking for records, we asked at the county relief office about any poor farm records-nice lady pointed at the wire cart in which old files were piled up-said county attny said to destroy them for lack of space-100 yr old records!-and she couldnt let us look at them because of confidentiality! told us our portion of the alphabet was already gone! but then she went in the back room and brought us-i still cant believe it-my greatuncles "dog tax" statements and a little bank folder with his name on it-gave us a middle initial we didnt have. by the end of the day we learned who his nieces were-one was that county's relief director for many years before her death!!! so i suggest contacting the county attny's office. they may have destroyed records or its confidentiality taken to the extreme! visit:http://community.webtv.net/web-angie/Webspinsters (always evolving)