Hi, I read your postings-- can't help with the Chaplain line. I do have a Chapman line (from NJ, then Cincinnati, then St. Louis, and finally outside Washington, IN, in Daviess CO). My ggg grandmother was Mary "Polly" Chapman who married Aaron Goodwin in champaign CO., OH. He fifth child (out of six) was Achsah Goodwin, b. abt 1910 in Veale Twp, Daviess Co., IN-- Axie md George Washington Crabtree in 1839 in Posey CO., IN. It is some of the Crabtrees that I am pulling my gray hairs with. I have GW's lineage, but there is a Phoebe Crabtree that I cannot put with a family. This Phoebe (there are two) was b. Aug 24, 1825 and d. Jan 27, 1894. She married John Saulman in 1842 in Edwards CO., IL. She and John are buried in the Saulman Cem in Gibson CO., IN (near Stewartsville in Posey CO). By process of elimination I think she is a daughter of John H. Crabtree and his second wife-- Elizabeth Gale Bevins. John H. is a brother to William Crabtree-- father of GW Crabtree. In 1850 John and Phoebe Crabtree Saulman are two numbers from John H. Crabtree (Robb Twp, Posey CO); 1860 John and Phoebe are living in Montgomery Twp, Gibson CO; 1870 Phoebe is widowed, living in Montgomery Twp, Gibson CO--neighbors to Phoebe were Ann Crabtree Hollen (spouse Bartlet Hollen); 1880 census of same place has Phoebe living with a son, John R. Saulman. Other info I do have on Phoebe-- she has a daughter named Elizabeth; Fanny, invalid dau of John and Elizabeth Bevins Crabtree, was living in the hh of Elizabeth Johnson in 1880-- Elizabeth John was the d/o Phoebe and John Saulman-- this would make Fanny a probable aunt of Elizabeth Johnson. Also there are some trees that have this 1825 Phoebe belonging to a John Crabtree of Edwards CO., IL, this John died before 1850. The only link to this John Crabtree that I can see is Phoebe and John Saulman's marriage in Edwards CO., IL. All the other censuses do have Phoebe in Posey and Gibson Counties, living near John H. Crabtree. Guess this is a lot of information for a Sunday morning. I have checked at both Posey and Gibson Counties for a death record on Phoebe-- there is none. And even if I were to find one, I am sure it would have the familiar "unknown" listed for the parents of Phoebe. Can anyone help with this Phoebe? Her dad could be the John Crabtree in Edwards CO-- I just don't know. The 1830 census of Posey CO for John H. Crabtree does have what could be a Phoebe in the 2 females, ages 5-10; And in the 3 Fem, ages 15-20 in 1840. And the Edwards CO., IL, 1830 census has what could be a Phoebe with John Crabtree in the 2 fem (0-5). Can anyone help on this mystery of many, many years? Helen Zuber Keusch family lines of Zuber, Land, Crabtree, Goodart (Gutekunst), Anthis, Bangert, Edwards, Bennett, Eakins, Handley, Ezell, Sandefur, Ford, Melton--my lines; Keusch, Zimmerman, Burger, Hurst, Hopf, Ackerman, Schitter/Schuetter, Mehringer, Becher, Baumert, Schmitt, Hochgesang--hubby's lines -----Original Message----- From: ilwhite-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ilwhite-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Donna Mariner Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 10:38 PM To: ilfrankl@rootsweb.com; ilhamilt@rootsweb.com; ILwhite@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILWHITE] JOHN HENRY CHAPLAIN (1795 - 1858) Original post lost a bit of info.  John Henry CHAPLAIN was supposedly bushwhacked while on horseback from Arkansas to Illinois in 1858.  I have not been able to confirm any details of this "family history" in any form, although my Mother said it was told to her by some of my Dad's uncles...no real names to refer to, unfortunately. His first wife, Mary HIATT POPE, sued him for loss of support, etc., in 1845,  while residing in Hendricks County, Indiana.  ?  Many CHAPLAIN marriages from a "supposed" additional family of 6 children are recorded in Hendricks Co. IN. (he was raising his family of 8 with Nancy McKinney in Franklin County at this time - he had not divorced Mary Pope) There is a lot of misinformation out there...some questions that need answers.  How many children did he and Mary Pope have?  Two?  or Seven or Eight? ________________________________ From: Donna Mariner <oldsalty99@att.net> To: ilfrankl@rootsweb.com; ilhamilt@rootsweb.com; ILwhite@rootsweb.com; ROWANROOTS@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, April 21, 2012 9:17:06 PM Subject: [ILFRANKL] JOHN HENRY CHAPLAIN (1795 - 1858) (I can hear Sheldon groan and perhaps hear Jean Chamness roll over).  Yes, I'm hoping for some new breath from more recent descendants of John Henry Chaplain, 1795 - 1858, who was in this area from 1828-1858, off and on.  He has many descendants in this area, owned land in the adjoining counties, married to three women:  Mary Pope (No. Carolina) 1813 - ?, Nancy Walker McKinney (Franklin Co.plus) , 8 children; married to Elizabeth McCluskey (lived in Franklin Co. and Lawrence Co., Arkansas plus), 4 children.  My ancestor is from his third wife.upposedly shot while traveling from Imboden, AR, to Franklin County, IL, in February 1858. My ancestry is from the children of his third wife. I have a large file of various information to share with distant cousins.  Any questions? Perhaps there are some new descendants who can lend credance to the reports of his death? Thanks,  Donna Mariner Researching: BRADEN, BROYLES, SPILLER, FLANNIGAN, STERNS, CRABTREE, CHAPLAIN, JOHNSON, WALLER, MCCLUSKEY, HILL, PARSONS REED, PAGE, EVANS, BENSON, HEARD, OGLESBY, WEBB, ODLE, WILCOX, TANNER, LESSLEY, THOMPSON, KNIGHT, LEWIS, SMITH, CREEK, FINKS, MCCUNE, CARTER, LOGAN, ETC.  Most of these ancestors wound up in Hamilton County and Franklin County, Illinois, some in White, Williamson, and Saline Counties in Illinois. They traveled west from Virginia, North and South Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Maryland...the way most of our ancestors came.  They were Scot-Irish, English, German with a mix of other nationalities. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILWHITE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message