This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Layman, Downen Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Yh.2ADE/810.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi, Anita. As far as I know, there was only the one Fred Layman in Carmi. I need to update my FTM files, but here is a bit of information to get the ball rolling. Family history tells of Fred Layman arriving in America with a brother. No one knows what became of him. Fred's son, John, (one of two by Mary Younginger,) supposedly died as a very young child, so here things get complicated. We'll have to dig deeper and sort everything out. I do have Fred's Civil War Pension file and will be putting it online when I get a chance. His widow, my great grandmother, was Mary Downen Layman, daughter of David Robinson Downen and Mary Jane South. Here's the postable version of my Family Tree Maker material. The names of living relatives have been removed to protect their privacy. Sorry this is hard to read; it doesn't paste normally from the genealogy report, but at least the information is there. Descendants of Frederick H. Layman Generation No. 1 1. FREDERICK H.1 LAYMAN was born February 16, 1830 in Baden, Germany, and died May 27, 1886 in Franklin County. He married (2) MARY CHARLOTTE YOUNGINGER Bef. 1864, daughter of UNKNOWN YOUNGINGER and UNKNOWN KNIGHT. He married (3) SARAH JANE SUMPTER October 15, 1868 in White County, Illinois. She died February 1871. He married (4) MARY DOWNEN October 01, 1871, daughter of DAVID DOWNEN and MARY SOUTH. She was born December 19, 1846 in Posey County, Indiana, and died January 02, 1932 in Akin, Illinois. More About SARAH JANE SUMPTER: Name Note: Born Sarah Jane Simpson; Sumpter was her married name Children of FREDERICK H. LAYMAN are: i. CHARLES2 LAYMAN, b. Abt. 1864. ii. JOHN LAYMAN, b. Abt. 1866. Children of FREDERICK LAYMAN and MARY YOUNGINGER are: iii. CHARLES2 LAYMAN. iv. JOHN LAYMAN. Children of FREDERICK LAYMAN and MARY DOWNEN are: 2. v. ARCHIBALD (FRANK)2 LAYMAN, b. January 02, 1873; d. December 02, 1931, Kansas City, Missouri. vi. CHRISTOPHER DAVID LAYMAN, b. March 14, 1876; d. December 08, 1878. 3. vii. RACHEL PRESSY LAYMAN, b. March 11, 1881, White County, IL; d. November 03, 1943. viii. CAROLINE E. LAYMAN, b. May 11, 1884; d. January 09, 1968. Generation No. 2 2. ARCHIBALD (FRANK)2 LAYMAN (FREDERICK H.1) was born January 02, 1873, and died December 02, 1931 in Kansas City, Missouri. He married MINNIE MCKEE. She was born April 04, 1871, and died August 24, 1961. Children of ARCHIBALD LAYMAN and MINNIE MCKEE are: i. LULA M.3 LAYMAN, b. October 31, 1894. ii. EMORY NATHAN LAYMAN, b. August 08, 1896. 3. RACHEL PRESSY2 LAYMAN (FREDERICK H.1) was born March 11, 1881 in White County, IL, and died November 03, 1943. She married CHARLES ELMER DOWNS December 06, 1908 in Franklin County , IL, son of JOHN DOWNS and MARGARET WILLIAMS. He was born February 04, 1882 in Parrish, Franklin County, IL, and died September 15, 1946. Children of RACHEL LAYMAN and CHARLES DOWNS are: i. PAUL3 DOWNS, b. December 22, 1909; d. December 22, 1909. ii. HANNAH LORRAINE DOWNS, b. August 22, 1916.