Hello List. Family story says that Mary Ann (RHODES) HUTCHCRAFT--b.ca 1825--wife of Harrison Sr. HUTCHCRAFT- was a midwife and delivered many, many babies in Hamilton, Franklin and White Counties. I would really like to see some evidence of this. When you are looking at birth records of your ancestors born in these counties in the years 1850 - 1860- 1870- 1880 , would you please check to see who was in attendance at the birth? Mary Ann HUTCHCRAFT was my g g grandmother and I would really appreciate seeing proof that she was a midwife. I don't know her death date, but think she passed away sometime after 1900. Would really appreciate your help. Take care, Evalyn

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Parker Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Yh.2ADE/280.889.1481.1 Message Board Post: Nancy, I hope this information will be of some value to you. A Wilson Parker married a Sarah Nessler in Whie County, on January 7, 1841. There were at least five John Parker marriages in the county between 1849 and 1866. There were two John A.'s, one John E. and two others simply listed as John Parkers. There was no John L. Parker. One of the John's married Hulda Underwood on November 11, 1852 and the other John Parker married Elizabeth Hendrix on April 24, 1854. However, the marriage of a John Parker closest in date to that of Wilson was John A. (perhaps, the middle initiall was transposed incorrectly...that is not an uncommon mistake). His marriage was to Amanda S. Robenson (probably Robinson) on July 5, 1849. I found three listings for Parkers for White County in the Sales of Illinois Land in the Public Land Domain or Trust One was to Isaac Person Parker and another to Jacob Tucker Parker in 1836. J. T. Parker, who I assume to be Jacob Tucker or his junior purchased land in 1853. The are other Wilson Parkers with later marriage dates in other Illinois counties. And I suspect one of them is the Wilson you are searching for, as the dates of marriage would be more dompatibile with the birthdate you gave foro Wilson. It is possible that he may have moved from White County and had a second marriage. The other marriages occur in Pike, Madison and Piatt Counties of Illinois. Also, there was one John L. Parker marriage in Illiinois; hooweveer, it was in Coles Couny and took place in 1837. Good luck!

I have a Phillip Newman m. Rachel Wilson in 1960 when they were about in their 60's70's in White County IL. I have his parents as Edward Newman and Alfa Felty

Roberta, Are you asking about the Jewell Carter Pearce, who was born in 1856 to Prussian Pearce and Martha Logan? Carl Shelton's database says he died in Hamilton County, but no date or burial location. There are a couple of Jewell Pearce's who died as infants, another who born 1903 and mostly lived in Hamilton Co. Maybe the two were confused, too. I'll see if there is a listing for him at Village/Old Prairie. Cindy roberta zink wrote: > > Thank you to all the folks that responded to my Roland query. Cannot tell you how much it is appreciated. All we knew was that our Jewell Pearce was raised in and lived all of his life in Herald's Prairie Township. Now we know exactly the town/village he was in and where it is. We now have a better picture where to look for where he is buried. We're going to start with Old Village Cemetery and hope that is where he is. Again, thank you. Roberta

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: montgomery garrison Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Yh.2ADE/1948 Message Board Post: looking for records of my grandparents as i have no info about great grandparents rumor has it someone researched them back to west virginia but i cant put this together as our montgomerys my research leads to the mayflower if anyone might be able to help out please let me know as my further research has them coming from south wales in great britain as from the research i have from when i lived in europe from stories ive gathered they have quite a bit of native american in them please let me know if anyone can verify this

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Newman, Wicker Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Yh.2ADE/1144.1166.1 Message Board Post: Dear Charles, Susan's husband, Thomas Newman is my 2nd great grandfather. William S. Newman's ( my great-grandfather')death certificate states his father was born in Logan County, KY. This disagrees with your information that he was born in VA. Do you have proof? Of course, it is possible he was born in VA and only lived in KY. Also, do you have proof that Thomas Wicker and his wife are buried at Bruce Chapel Cemetery? I believe Susan is a daughter of this couple also since Thomas Newman was administrator for Thomas Wicker's will and I do have the marriage license of Susan and Thomas Newman. I am working on checking the will to see who inherited. Perhaps you have already done this. Lois Sutton

Cindy: Yes, it was Jewell Carter Pearce. He died January 11, 1917. We got the death certificate from the archives online. He died in Hamilton County and the cert said burial "cem near Roland." We think it could be Old Village Cemetery. Don't know what other cemeteries might be around there. The 1903 you reference is probably my grandfather, Jewell Wheeler Pearce as he was raised in Hamilton County and stayed there all his life. His grandfather, Jewell Carter Pearce and back were all in White County. Jewell Carter died at his son's home in Broughton. Any help will greatly be appreciated. We have been to Lick Creek/Old Prairie Cemetery but could not find him there. But we did find his parents and siblings there. If you know anything about Old Village or any other cemetery around there, we would greatly appreciate the info. Thank You for responding. Roberta Cindy Birk Conley wrote:Roberta, Are you asking about the Jewell Carter Pearce, who was born in 1856 to Prussian Pearce and Martha Logan? Carl Shelton's database says he died in Hamilton County, but no date or burial location. There are a couple of Jewell Pearce's who died as infants, another who born 1903 and mostly lived in Hamilton Co. Maybe the two were confused, too. I'll see if there is a listing for him at Village/Old Prairie. Cindy roberta zink wrote: > > Thank you to all the folks that responded to my Roland query. Cannot tell you how much it is appreciated. All we knew was that our Jewell Pearce was raised in and lived all of his life in Herald's Prairie Township. Now we know exactly the town/village he was in and where it is. We now have a better picture where to look for where he is buried. We're going to start with Old Village Cemetery and hope that is where he is. Again, thank you. Roberta ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!

Thank you to all the folks that responded to my Roland query. Cannot tell you how much it is appreciated. All we knew was that our Jewell Pearce was raised in and lived all of his life in Herald's Prairie Township. Now we know exactly the town/village he was in and where it is. We now have a better picture where to look for where he is buried. We're going to start with Old Village Cemetery and hope that is where he is. Again, thank you. Roberta BeeandBop31@aol.com wrote:Roberta, Per Glenn Sneed's "Ghost Towns of Southern Illinois" Roland Post Office was established in Gallatin Co. in 1849 and moved to White Co. 30 June 1851. Captain D. W. Porter opened a store near the Roland Post Office in 1857. The Porter Store was located in Section 12 of Indian Creek Twp. near the Harold Township line (I think he meant Heralds Prairie). John Porter had a village of 67 lots plotted around his store. It was in the southwest corner of the northeast quarter of the northeast quarter (I'm quoting) of section 12, township 7, range 8 east of the 3rd P. M. In 1977, one house remained standing. It was the old Porter house thought to have been the tavern. It was a log two story structure that had been remodeled several times. I don't know whether or not it has survived until today. Several Pearces were buried in the Old Village Cemetery (founded 1819) in Indian Creek Twp. However, Harriet Vaught listed it in Sec. 2 with Sec. 11 in parentheses with a question mark. Strangely enough it is located at T 7S, R.8E. I hope this answers your question. Shirley ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!

For the Cook researchers out there---while I was looking for something else, I ran across this about John Cook. Janice SOURCE:Veterans of White County, Illinois - Who served from White County and/or are buried or commemorated in White County. (White County Historical Society, 1999), Page 34, White County Historical Society, P.O. Box 121, Carmi, IL 62821. Cook, John ---Private, Mexican War, Co B 3rd Volunteer Infantry. Enlisted 6/27/1846, sick at Matamoras since 12/13/1846, discharged 5/23/1847. b. 9/5/1824, d 7/17/1897. Ebenezer Cemetery. Family Grave stone.

Kaye, I am interested in the picture of Charlotte Ann Vaughn. I am a descendant of her sister, Virginia Catherine Vaughn who married Enoch Newton Bennett and I have a picture of her. Shall we trade? [ Source:DEATH:Probate, White Co, IL Box # 321 Document # IL0247 EVIDENCE Before Mr E J Conger, Special Commissioner ...My name is Boston Weese, aged 63 years, residence is White County. I knew Benjamin J Vaughn in his lifetime, that he died intestate seized in fee simple of the NE1/4 of the NE qrt and the W1/2 of the NE qrt of Sec 36, Town 6 South, of Range 9 East, 120 acres more or less in White Co IL. That he left as his sole surviving children and heirs, Pamelia C., Charlotte A, Virginia C, who intermarried with one Enoch N Bennett, Thomas F A L Vaughn, Delia E and Benjamin P Vaughn.] Janice Columbus, OH Janice@Knotter.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Cross" <kaye.cross@gte.net> To: <ILWHITE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:58 AM Subject: RE: [ILWHITE] John Cook md Sarah Caroline "Sallie" Bagby, lived in White andHamilton Counties, Illinois Hi, I've been hoping to hear from you again. I've got a picture of Charlotte Ann Vaughn, who married William Anderson Bagby and some other info, too. Kaye -----Original Message----- From: Anna Pinter [mailto:apinter_2000@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 4:25 PM To: ILWHITE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILWHITE] John Cook md Sarah Caroline "Sallie" Bagby, lived in White andHamilton Counties, Illinois Do you know anything about the Bagby line that married into the Vaughn line in White and Wayne Co. Il. ? My e-mail is apinter_2000@hotmail.com Thanks, Anna _________________________________________________________________

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Parker Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Yh.2ADE/280.889.1481 Message Board Post: I am searching for a Wilson J. Parker, b. ca.1834 Il. and brother of missing John L. Parker b.1832 Il. These are brothers of my gggrandmother Winniford/Winnifred E. b.1816 S.C. Any help appreciated!

Hi, I've been hoping to hear from you again. I've got a picture of Charlotte Ann Vaughn, who married William Anderson Bagby and some other info, too. Kaye -----Original Message----- From: Anna Pinter [mailto:apinter_2000@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 4:25 PM To: ILWHITE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILWHITE] John Cook md Sarah Caroline "Sallie" Bagby, lived in White andHamilton Counties, Illinois Do you know anything about the Bagby line that married into the Vaughn line in White and Wayne Co. Il. ? My e-mail is apinter_2000@hotmail.com Thanks, Anna >From: "Donald Cross" <kaye.cross@gte.net> >Reply-To: ILWHITE-L@rootsweb.com >To: ILWHITE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ILWHITE] John Cook md Sarah Caroline "Sallie" Bagby, lived in >White and Hamilton Counties, Illinois >Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:29:57 -0500 > > > >Hopefully, someone will be able to help with this family. Maybe even one of >you folks researching the DeBoard and related lines will know something >about this family. >John Cook b 5 Sep 1824 Hamilton Co, Ill, parents John L. Cook and Hannah >DeBoard. John died before 1910 in Illinois, I don't have an exact date or >place, perhaps someone on the list does? Also, where is John and his wife >buried? >John md Sarah Caroline "Sallie" Bagby 7 Nov 1845 White Co., Ill. Her >parents >were William Anderson Bagby and Catherine "Caty" Bloodworth. Sallie was >born >6 Jan 1831 Shadsville, White, Ill. I don't know when or where she died, or >is buried. The "History of White Co, 1883" erred with her parents names, >they had her father as William M. Bagley. His name was deffinitely William >Anderson Bagby. William A. Bagby had a son, Davis Polk Bagby, who served in >the Civil War, killed when the "General Lyon", burned and sank in a storm >off the coast of Cape Hatter. William Bagby applied for a pension on his >son's service, which he received. in order to get the pension, he had to >submit greatly detailed records on his family, which included a list of all >his children, etc. >John and Sallie had the following children: >1.) Edgar Cook, b ca 1847 White Co, Illinois >2.) Elmer Cook, b ca 1849 White Co, Illinois >3.) Delilah C. Cook, b 1850 White Co, Illinois, d 1861 White Co, Illinois >4.) John Melvin Coo, b 1 Aug 1854 Indian Creek Twp, White Co, Illinois; he >was a teacher; when did he die and when and where was he bur?; md 27 Aug >1878 White Co., Illinois to Laura Ellen Carlyle, daughter of William >Carlyle >of Gossett; the had two ch I know of May b and d bef 1883, White Co, >Illinois and Earl b before 1883. >5.) Lewis H. Cook, b 1858 White Co., Illinois, md Martha E. b 1864 >Illinois, >their family is listed on the 1910 Census, Indian Creek Twp, White Co, >Illinois; they had two ch that I know of Raymond b 1889 and Clara b 1892. >6.) Frances Isabell Cook, b 1860 White Co, Illinois >7.) Silas David Cook, b 1863 White Co, Illinois, d 1949 white Co, Ill, bur >Ebenezer Cemetery. >8.) Laura L. Cook, b 1865 White Co., Illinois, d 1880 White Co, Illinois, >bur Ebenezer Cemetery >9.) Sarah E. Cook, 1865 White Co., Illinois, d 1873 White Co, Illinois, >possibly buried in Ebenezer Cemetery. >10.) Marshall E. b ca 1870 White Co., Illinois >11.) Willis E. Cook, b 1875 White Co., Illinois > >Sources on this family have been: >William Anderson Bagby pension papers >1880 Census, Indian Creek Twp, White County, Illinois >1860 Census, White Co, Ill >White Co, Ill Marr Recs >History of White Co 1883 > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Roberta, Per Glenn Sneed's "Ghost Towns of Southern Illinois" Roland Post Office was established in Gallatin Co. in 1849 and moved to White Co. 30 June 1851. Captain D. W. Porter opened a store near the Roland Post Office in 1857. The Porter Store was located in Section 12 of Indian Creek Twp. near the Harold Township line (I think he meant Heralds Prairie). John Porter had a village of 67 lots plotted around his store. It was in the southwest corner of the northeast quarter of the northeast quarter (I'm quoting) of section 12, township 7, range 8 east of the 3rd P. M. In 1977, one house remained standing. It was the old Porter house thought to have been the tavern. It was a log two story structure that had been remodeled several times. I don't know whether or not it has survived until today. Several Pearces were buried in the Old Village Cemetery (founded 1819) in Indian Creek Twp. However, Harriet Vaught listed it in Sec. 2 with Sec. 11 in parentheses with a question mark. Strangely enough it is located at T 7S, R.8E. I hope this answers your question. Shirley

Geri, There are several books available for both Wayne and White Counties. Do you have an approximate burial location for your guy, such as Oak Grove in Grayville? The indexes are spotty. Death certs were not mandated until the 1930s so you might not be able to find one for Thomas unless he died in town. Cindy Geri wrote: > > Does anyone on the list have a cemetery list for White or Wayne County? If > so I would sure like a lookup for Thomas N Cullison. The date of death I > have is March 1, 1927. > > I was told his death certificate might be in White County. His wife was > buried in Edwards Co, IL and I was able to get a death certificate for her. > > Thank you, > Geri Cullison Lilley > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi all, I don't use a web based mail program, but this was forwarded to me on how hotmail users will be more likely to get their rootsweb messages: >Just got this from another list.... >Hi Cuzzins! Forwarding Hotmail/Rootsweb info from the MOHARRIS list. Blessings, Tami >Jcbarbra@cs.com wrote: > I am receiving many bounces from Hotmail, and many are being > unsubscribed because their bounces exceed the system limit. > Someone else sent this information which may help: > > Go to Hotmail and login and look under Options, in the middle > column. There are 3 settings-safe list, mailing lists, and > custom filter. Subscribers in L mode should add the LIST > address under the mailing lists section because list mail comes > TO the list address and not to the subscriber address. Mailing > list posts will be treated like Spam if the list address isn't on > the list of mailing lists. Digest subscribers should add the D- > request address (the one the digest always comes from) to the > Safe list of acceptable senders. > > This will help Hotmail recognize Rootsweb as mail that you would > like to receive and not as spam, and may cut down on these bounces. > If your email bounces more than 4 bounces, the Smart mail function > of Rootsweb will automatically unsubscribe you from a list. > > Barbra > List Administrator

<PRE>I only know of West Union and Maple Ridge but if you go the the White Co genweb site they give you a list of cemeteries. Not ALL are on line.

I was most interested in your message about John COOK and Sallie BAGBY. This family crosses with mine through the DeBOARD and McKENZIE lines. I haven't done much specific research on John COOK and Sallie BAGBY. In fact, what I had on them was this: John COOK, b ca 1825 + Sally C. BAYLEY on 1 Nov 1845 This info came from the online marriage records for Illinois, and I am thrilled to discover that Sally was actually a BAGBY - which makes complete sense. I had no parents listed for her, although I had William Anderson BAGBY in my database. William Anderson BAGBY had a son, William H. BAGBY who married Mary Frances McKENZIE on 10 June 1860. Mary Frances McKENZIE was the daughter of Alexander McKENZIE and Margaret VINEYARD. Her sister, Margaret Ann MCKENZIE, married Joel Franklin DeBOARD. They were my gr gr grandparents. I also have a Sally BLOODWORTH (b ca 1819 AL) who married John F. DeBOARD on 13 Oct 1836 White Co IL. I have no doubt that she must have been somehow related to your Catherine 'Caty' BLOODWORTH. I have a great deal of info on Hannah DeBOARD. Her parents were William DeBOARD and Lydia FORRESTER. The family is found in the 1810 Wilkes Co NC census. They left NC around 1816, and found in White Co IL for the 1820 census. It is possible that they moved directly to White Co IL, but I have found a William DeBARD in Sumner Co TN in 1816 tax lists. Many years later, another DeBOARD family moved from NC to White Co IL, and they spent two years in Sumner Co TN, so I believe it is possible that William DeBOARD's family made a stop there as well. I know that none of this directly addresses your John COOK and Sallie BAGBY family, but thought you might be interested. Janis Walker Gilmore Pawleys Island, SC & Seattle, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Cross" <kaye.cross@gte.net> To: <ILWHITE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 3:29 PM Subject: [ILWHITE] John Cook md Sarah Caroline "Sallie" Bagby, lived in White and Hamilton Counties, Illinois > > > Hopefully, someone will be able to help with this family. Maybe even one of > you folks researching the DeBoard and related lines will know something > about this family. > John Cook b 5 Sep 1824 Hamilton Co, Ill, parents John L. Cook and Hannah > DeBoard. John died before 1910 in Illinois, I don't have an exact date or > place, perhaps someone on the list does? Also, where is John and his wife > buried? > John md Sarah Caroline "Sallie" Bagby 7 Nov 1845 White Co., Ill. Her parents > were William Anderson Bagby and Catherine "Caty" Bloodworth. Sallie was born > 6 Jan 1831 Shadsville, White, Ill. I don't know when or where she died, or > is buried. The "History of White Co, 1883" erred with her parents names, > they had her father as William M. Bagley. His name was deffinitely William > Anderson Bagby. William A. Bagby had a son, Davis Polk Bagby, who served in > the Civil War, killed when the "General Lyon", burned and sank in a storm > off the coast of Cape Hatter. William Bagby applied for a pension on his > son's service, which he received. in order to get the pension, he had to > submit greatly detailed records on his family, which included a list of all > his children, etc. > John and Sallie had the following children: > 1.) Edgar Cook, b ca 1847 White Co, Illinois > 2.) Elmer Cook, b ca 1849 White Co, Illinois > 3.) Delilah C. Cook, b 1850 White Co, Illinois, d 1861 White Co, Illinois > 4.) John Melvin Coo, b 1 Aug 1854 Indian Creek Twp, White Co, Illinois; he > was a teacher; when did he die and when and where was he bur?; md 27 Aug > 1878 White Co., Illinois to Laura Ellen Carlyle, daughter of William Carlyle > of Gossett; the had two ch I know of May b and d bef 1883, White Co, > Illinois and Earl b before 1883. > 5.) Lewis H. Cook, b 1858 White Co., Illinois, md Martha E. b 1864 Illinois, > their family is listed on the 1910 Census, Indian Creek Twp, White Co, > Illinois; they had two ch that I know of Raymond b 1889 and Clara b 1892. > 6.) Frances Isabell Cook, b 1860 White Co, Illinois > 7.) Silas David Cook, b 1863 White Co, Illinois, d 1949 white Co, Ill, bur > Ebenezer Cemetery. > 8.) Laura L. Cook, b 1865 White Co., Illinois, d 1880 White Co, Illinois, > bur Ebenezer Cemetery > 9.) Sarah E. Cook, 1865 White Co., Illinois, d 1873 White Co, Illinois, > possibly buried in Ebenezer Cemetery. > 10.) Marshall E. b ca 1870 White Co., Illinois > 11.) Willis E. Cook, b 1875 White Co., Illinois > > Sources on this family have been: > William Anderson Bagby pension papers > 1880 Census, Indian Creek Twp, White County, Illinois > 1860 Census, White Co, Ill > White Co, Ill Marr Recs > History of White Co 1883 > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Does anyone have information about the town of Roland in White County. Received death certificate for g-g-grandfather, Jewell Pearce and lists his burial in cemetery near Roland. We know Roland does not exist any longer, but where exactly was it and does anyone know any names of cemeteries in that area. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Roberta --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!

S. Res. 330 designating October 2002 Family History Month Resolution passed the United States Senate 20 Sep 2002 Text of the resoulution maybe found at: <http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c107:2:./temp/~c107db3YBz::> Please share the news with our fellow genealogist. Newsletter editiors, I have a photo of the bill sponsor, Senator Orin Hatch of Utah, if you would like to use it in your publicity. Jo Russell email: ljrussell@earthlink.net