Clara, I don't know if the Grayville library does research by mail. I know the historical society in Carmi will, but they do charge $10 per hour plus copying costs. It will take time to get either of those sources to do the work as well. If it was me I would order the films because you may find some other cool stuff in the paper. The person I heard talk about death certs at the city building was Janet Pritchett, 375-7488, who is a Grayville genealogist and all-around civic leader. She has done paid research for people in the past, but has cut back some. There is a city of grayville website http://www.cityofgrayville.com/ which should at least have the phone numbers to call them. The genealogy library does not have a surname file on the Andres family so it looks like no one has made a query on the name before or sent in some family info. Here is what I have on addresses and phone numbers: WHITE COUNTY HISTORICAL SOCIETY GENEALOGY LIBRARY 203 N. Church, Carmi 618-382-8425 Features--copies of Shain and Land papers and Carl Shelton Database, obit scrapbooks and transcriptions, surname files, trained volunteer staff, selection of books for sale Hours--Tuesday - Friday 11:30am - 4:30 pm or by appointment Email--cbconly@midwest.net CARMI PUBLIC LIBRARY Main and Slocumb, Carmi 382-5277 Features--Harriet Vaught collection and Margaret Davis Land workbooks Hours--Monday-Thursday Noon-8 pm; Friday Noon-6pm; Saturday 11am-5 pm Email: carmilib@midwest.net (no genealogy inquiries) NORRIS CITY MEMORIAL LIBRARY Highway 45 South, Norris City, 378-3713 Features--Ira Shain workbooks Hours--same as Carmi GRAYVILLE CARNEGIE PUBLIC LIBRARY 110 W Mill, Grayville, 375-7121 Features--Obit scrapbooks and funeral card collection Hours--Mon & Wed 10 am-7:30 pm; Tues & Thurs 2:30-730 pm; Friday 2:30-6:30 pm; Sat 10 am-2 pm ALBION PUBLIC LIBRARY 6 N 4th, Albion 445-3314 Did not have a good genealogy section the last time I visited Hours vary, closed Thursday EDWARDS COUNTY HISTORICAL SOCIETY GENEALOGY LIBRARY 212 W. Main, Albion Hours--6:30 pm - 9:30 pm Thursday or by appointment email--melrose@wworld.com (Terry Harper, 445-3433) Cindy Clara Kress wrote: > > Cindy, > > Thanks! This really helps. I'll check with my local library to see if I can > get those newspapers on loan, but do you know if the librarian at the > Grayville Public Library will make a copy of the obituaries if I send > him/her the names and exact dates? That might be faster than ordering the > films. One librarian told me once that it could take about 2 weeks to get an > order. Do you have a phone number that I could call and ask for details? > > I didn't know that some death certificates might be at the City Hall. Which > office should I contact? > > Later this fall, I'd like to drive over to Grayville to visit the > courthouse, see the cemetery, etc. It is about a 2 1/2 hour drive from my > house. > > I appreciate your help. > > Clara > > > It seems to me that you understand that Grayville is on the > > White/Edwards border, although it has a greater connection with White > > County. If Lorinda was buried at Grayville I think there is a good > > chance an obit would be in the Grayville paper, which was operational in > > the teens. There are films of all the Grayville papers at the Grayville > > public library, and most all at the genealogy library in Carmi, which is > > operated by the historical society. The Grayville library seems to have > > many books of funeral cards and obits, but they are not indexed from > > what I can see. The genealogy section is in the basement of the > > building. > > > > You might be able to get these films from interlibrary loan from your > > local library. > > > > > > Death records before the 1890s are hit and miss, they may be at White > > County courthouse or even the Grayville city hall. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Miller Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Yh.2ADE/1940.2.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Hi Linda, I'm related to some of the White County Ill. Millers. Mine came from Elbert County Georgia, and Henderson County Kentucky. You might try those places. Hope this helps.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Yh.2ADE/250.1316.1 Message Board Post: Hi Linda, I have a John G. Ballard & Elizabeth Nally who were my 3rd gr grandparents. They had a son John Ballard who was born in 1828 and my records (unconfirmed) show he was married to Jemima Wheeler in 1849. I haven't done any genealogy for over a year but wanted to see if you had found out anything additional since your post. At least it looks like we both descend from John G. and Elizabeth (Nally) Ballard. Martha Adkisson

Cindy, Thanks! This really helps. I'll check with my local library to see if I can get those newspapers on loan, but do you know if the librarian at the Grayville Public Library will make a copy of the obituaries if I send him/her the names and exact dates? That might be faster than ordering the films. One librarian told me once that it could take about 2 weeks to get an order. Do you have a phone number that I could call and ask for details? I didn't know that some death certificates might be at the City Hall. Which office should I contact? Later this fall, I'd like to drive over to Grayville to visit the courthouse, see the cemetery, etc. It is about a 2 1/2 hour drive from my house. I appreciate your help. Clara > It seems to me that you understand that Grayville is on the > White/Edwards border, although it has a greater connection with White > County. If Lorinda was buried at Grayville I think there is a good > chance an obit would be in the Grayville paper, which was operational in > the teens. There are films of all the Grayville papers at the Grayville > public library, and most all at the genealogy library in Carmi, which is > operated by the historical society. The Grayville library seems to have > many books of funeral cards and obits, but they are not indexed from > what I can see. The genealogy section is in the basement of the > building. > > You might be able to get these films from interlibrary loan from your > local library. > > > Death records before the 1890s are hit and miss, they may be at White > County courthouse or even the Grayville city hall.

Clara, It seems to me that you understand that Grayville is on the White/Edwards border, although it has a greater connection with White County. If Lorinda was buried at Grayville I think there is a good chance an obit would be in the Grayville paper, which was operational in the teens. There are films of all the Grayville papers at the Grayville public library, and most all at the genealogy library in Carmi, which is operated by the historical society. The Grayville library seems to have many books of funeral cards and obits, but they are not indexed from what I can see. The genealogy section is in the basement of the building. You might be able to get these films from interlibrary loan from your local library. There is a new cemetery book on Gray twp which includes Oak Grove on sale from the White County Historical Society and available at the genealogy library. Death records before the 1890s are hit and miss, they may be at White County courthouse or even the Grayville city hall. Since these people seemed to move around a lot I would also go to Willard Library in Evansville, which covers the tri-state. I would also make sure I have tracked them around using the censuses. Cindy Birk Conley Carmi, IL Clara Kress wrote: > > I am interested in the family of John W. ANDRES and his second wife, Lorinda MUELLER / MILLER ANDRES who lived in Grayville.

I am interested in the family of John W. ANDRES and his second wife, Lorinda MUELLER / MILLER ANDRES who lived in Grayville. John was a butcher, born 20 Feb 1825 and died 21 Mar 1895. He served in Co. F, 144 Indiana Infantry in the Civil War. Lorinda was born 17 Sep 1842 in Bavaria and died 19 Nov 1917 in Terre Haute, IN. They were married 23 Jul 1863 in Crawford Co., IN. Both are buried in Oak Grove Cemetery in Grayville. Some of their children (I believe) are: 1.. Charles Andres, born Oct 1867/69 in Indiana. 2.. Henrietta Andres, born Aug 1872 in Indiana. 3.. David Andres, born 1873 in Kentucky. 4.. Jess D. Andres 5.. Elizabeth Andres Teichman 6.. Frances Louise Andres, born 9 Nov 1880 in Cannelton, IN and died 15 Sep 1898. Lorinda is the sister of my great-grandmother. I hope to find what happened to their father. I would like to find obituaries for Lorinda and her children to learn where they were living when the children were born. Which newspaper would be most likely to have Lorinda's obituary and which library might have it on microfilm? Would death records, etc. be in White or Edwards County for those who died in Grayville? I'd appreciate any suggestions for further research in this area. Clara ckress@psci.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: HASTEN WOODS FOSTER WILLIAMS MAY Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Yh.2ADE/1951 Message Board Post: Looking for information on Sylvester N. Hasten b. 1856 & Martha C. Brown Hasten b. 1859 family. Sylvester and Martha children are Norman Hasten b. 1876, Floence Hasten b. 1881 m. Amzi Flannigan, Alice Hasten b. 1883 m. Jacob Stang, Emma Hasten b. 1885 m. Elvis Baker, Belinda Hasten b. 1889 m. Jonathan Allen, Fred Hasten b. 1888 m. Pharnis Russell.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: HASTEN WOODS FOSTER WILLIAMS MAY Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Yh.2ADE/1952 Message Board Post: Looking for information on Sylvester N. Hasten b. 1856 & Martha C. Brown Hasten b. 1859 family. Sylvester and Martha children are Norman Hasten b. 1876, Floence Hasten b. 1881 m. Amzi Flannigan, Alice Hasten b. 1883 m. Jacob Stang, Emma Hasten b. 1885 m. Elvis Baker, Belinda Hasten b. 1889 m. Jonathan Allen, Fred Hasten b. 1888 m. Pharnis Russell.

Hi, I am trying to find Bennetts (probable descendants of a Legro or James Bennett who came to Posey Co from Christian Co., KY). I think the Bennetts originally were from VA. My ggg grandmother was Sarah "Sally" Bennett (1794-1834) who married William Crabtree in Christian Co., KY, in 1812. Their first child was George Washington Crabtree (b. 1814 in KY). The family came to Posey Co sometime before 1820 as the Crabtrees and Bennetts were in Robb Twp on the 1820 census. I did think that Sallie's father was Legro, but it could possibly be James. Also, there were a Sarah Bennett who was married to George Crabtree sometime in the early 1830's-- she died in childbirth in 1834. But I can't prove this. George died marry Achsah Goodwin (d/o Aaron Goodwin and Mary "Polly" Chapman) and Jane Land (d/o Abraham Land and Sarah Edwards). Polly Chapman later married John Johnson after Aaron died. William Crabtree married Elizabeth Hurt/Hunt Brown after his first wife died. The Johnsons and Crabtrees and Bennetts were some of the families instrumental in starting the Old Union Church in Johnson Twp in Gibson Co and the Seven-Mile Church in White Co., IL. Sallie Bennett Crabtree (first wife of Wm) is buried in the Stewartsville Cem-- she has a flat bronze type marker. Thanks for any help you can give. Helen Zuber Keusch forever searching in the LAND, EDWARDS, WOFFORD, REEVES, MULLINIKS, CRABTREE, GOODWIN, CHAPMAN, BENNETT, ZUBER, ANTHIS, GOODART-GUTEKUNST, BANGERT, EAKINS, FORD-FOARD, SANDEFUR, MELTON, HANDLEY, EZELL, THOMASSON, and DUNCAN families. On hubby's side-- lines of KEUSCH, ZIMMERMANN, MEHRINGER, SCHITTER/SCHUETTER, SCHMITT, HOCHGESANG, HOPF, and BURGER (Dubois CO, IN).

I have a lot of family that moved from White Co IL to Howell Co MO (not far from Ripley). In my case, it was due entirely to land patents that had been opened up and were available. It was a good opportunity to establish a good sized farm of one's own, and thus an opportunity for economic advancement and stability for their families. I imagine the same may have been true in Ripley Co. Janis Walker Gilmore Pawleys Island SC & Seattle WA ----- Original Message ----- From: <JRay38s@aol.com> To: <ILWHITE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [ILWHITE] White & Edwards Co. Illinois to Ripley Co., MO. > I do not know the answer to that question although I'm sure someone does, but > I have found the same thing. My best guess is when their people came to > America and landed in the East, they began their way across the county > through Virginia, the Carolina's etc. through Tenn, KY into IN, IL, MO, (as > there was river transportation and jobs there especially with the railroad) > but then they seemed to go on to Ark, TX and finally ventured their way out > west. Back then there were no roads like there are today so my guess would > be they all traveled pretty much the same passages as did the family before > them. No sense venturing out a totally different direction. There were no > street maps to get you back on course. > > My personal knowledge is that of Independence Rock in I believe Wyoming which > is a landmark (rest stop) and is indicated that this was known as the half > way point to the West for the new settlers. Right on Rt. 80. Some children > are buried on the North side of the rock. It is a very humbling experience > being at the rock. It looks like a blimp hanger plunked out in the middle of > nothing. It probably provided shade, protection, etc for the travelers. > They just continued on till they reached a nice place to settle that had > water, land, trees, and eventually communities started up. That's why to > this day there is still no one who lives in the middle of Wyoming. LOL > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Thanks Janet -- I appreciate your directions from Grayville to Union Cemetery -- as well as the recommendation of a good place to spend the night. And my sincere thanks to everyone else who also offered their help with directions. Rose (Carbaugh) Miller

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Helm, Boord Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Yh.2ADE/307.1362.1.1 Message Board Post: Sherry; Many, many thanks! Some of the names of George's children are misspelled - if you want the corrections, just let me know - and all of them are not listed, but it helps unravel the mystery of his many wives. Now I just need to figure out the mother/child relationships - and George's parents. The perennial mystery. Again, my thanks. Elisabeth

We had this discussion within the last couple of years. You might check the archives for this list to see the information that was posted then. It seems like we came up with timber & railroads being a few of the largest contributing factors. Cathy Hill

Cathy, I think you are right in your response, as quite a few left White County, although some returned later. Hope you have a happy birthday in a few days. Mine is a week later, but I gave up cake and candles years ago. If you come to White County this year (or have you already?), be sure to let me know. Janet Armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mozarkhick@aol.com> To: <ILWHITE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 4:07 PM Subject: [ILWHITE] Arkansas & SE Missouri migration > We had this discussion within the last couple of years. You might check the > archives for this list to see the information that was posted then. It seems > like we came up with timber & railroads being a few of the largest > contributing factors. > > > Cathy Hill > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Rose C. Miller: Old Union Cemetery is located in Section 35, T. 3 S., R. 10 E.(Gray Township of White Co. IL. From Grayville, at the 4 Way Stop at IL Rt. 1 and North Street (downtown Grayville), go west on North Street, which becomes what is commonly called "the Burnt Prairie black-top", about 4 3/4 miles to Road Marker 1600E. Turn left (south) and go 1 (one) mile to Marker 2500 N, turn left (east) 1/4 mile to Marker 1625E, turn right (south) and go about 1 3/4 miles. (You will have crossed over Highway I-64 on this last stretch.) Cemetery is on left side of road. All the way you will drive on rural black-top roads. There is a Best Western (Windsor Oaks) Motel about 1 1/4 mile south of Grayville on I-64 and IL Rt. 1 that is a good place to stay. Janet Armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: <Rojomill@aol.com> To: <ILWHITE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [ILWHITE] Old Union Cemetery > Can someone give me specific directions from Grayville to the Old Union > Cemetery in White Co.? > > I plan to be in Illinois later this month and would love to try and find my > grandmother's grave. > > Rose (Carbaugh) Miller > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I do not know the answer to that question although I'm sure someone does, but I have found the same thing. My best guess is when their people came to America and landed in the East, they began their way across the county through Virginia, the Carolina's etc. through Tenn, KY into IN, IL, MO, (as there was river transportation and jobs there especially with the railroad) but then they seemed to go on to Ark, TX and finally ventured their way out west. Back then there were no roads like there are today so my guess would be they all traveled pretty much the same passages as did the family before them. No sense venturing out a totally different direction. There were no street maps to get you back on course. My personal knowledge is that of Independence Rock in I believe Wyoming which is a landmark (rest stop) and is indicated that this was known as the half way point to the West for the new settlers. Right on Rt. 80. Some children are buried on the North side of the rock. It is a very humbling experience being at the rock. It looks like a blimp hanger plunked out in the middle of nothing. It probably provided shade, protection, etc for the travelers. They just continued on till they reached a nice place to settle that had water, land, trees, and eventually communities started up. That's why to this day there is still no one who lives in the middle of Wyoming. LOL

Does anyone know why so many people migrated from Edwards, White, and Wayne, Co's IL to Ripley Co., MO? I thought it was just my family but I see that it happened in many families and I find it curious. Thank you for any answers. Geri geri@beecreek.net

My grandmother was Rillie Mae Keith. I am sure she was born in Illinois. In addition, I think she was born in White county, IL. I have been unable to find a listing for her in any census. Now Rillie may have been a nickname, although it is listed on her marriage license to Henry Towell in Ripley county, MO. Henry was born in White county, IL. Rillie was born in June 29, 1869 per her tombstone. Can anyone help me? Thanks for helping. Henry Smith

Could she have been related to an Aurilla TOWELL who md. a PYLE? I suggest you do a google.com search on Henry Towell and White County, Illinois. There's lots of potential information there and some of it might guide you to the right time and place (and names) for a census search. Good luck! Henry and Pat Smith wrote:My grandmother was Rillie Mae Keith. I am sure she was born in Illinois. In addition, I think she was born in White county, IL. I have been unable to find a listing for her in any census. Now Rillie may have been a nickname, although it is listed on her marriage license to Henry Towell in Ripley county, MO. Henry was born in White county, IL. Rillie was born in June 29, 1869 per her tombstone. Can anyone help me? Thanks for helping. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!

People did travel in groups for safety and support, often by river (such as the Ohio) or by wagon trains of ox-carts, etc. Sometimes they were leaving droughts or disease epicemics. They also responded as groups to land offers and homestead acts. Families, in-laws and neighbors would often make up a group. Geri wrote:Does anyone know why so many people migrated from Edwards, White, and Wayne, Co's IL to Ripley Co., MO? I thought it was just my family but I see that it happened in many families and I find it curious. Thank you for any answers. Geri geri@beecreek.net ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!