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I just rec'd an old typed transcription of the 1880, 1900, and 1910 Census of White County, IL containing a DUNGY/DUNGIE household-I am seeking descendents of these folks as I am sure they tie into my Dungys of other IL counties-there is a Harrison marriage in this line. Please write for details or send info. Thanks Jacquie in FL ILWHITE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 ILWHITE-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 88 Today's Topics: #1 [ILWHITE] Re: Right to Know Law [INDYMOMMA@aol.com] #2 [ILWHITE] Re: [WILSON-L] RESERACH ["Janean Ray" ] #3 [ILWHITE] Charles Douglas HON ["ml henson" ] #4 [ILWHITE] right to know ["ladybug" #5 RE: [ILWHITE] Charles Douglas HON ["Carolyn White" Administrivia: To unsubscribe from ILWHITE-D, send a message to ILWHITE-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 00:42:39 EDT From: INDYMOMMA@aol.com To: ILWHITE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ILWHITE] Re: Right to Know Law You could try running a search on www.google.com - use their advanced search feature. Catherine ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:43:17 -0400 From: "Janean Ray" To: ILWHITE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ILWHITE] Re: [WILSON-L] RESERACH FACTS I have some misc facts for Wilson researchers of White Co. IL. I have of Will, Administrator's Report, Bill of Sale all on the Estate for Roley (Raleigh) C. Wilson dated 1903 and signed by wife Eliza (Harris) Wilson. Parents of Rawleigh Chester Wilson w/w Julia McMurtry and Mary Esther Wilson w/h Dennie Pool. Raleigh Wilson is the son of William Berry Wilson and Sarah Elizabeth Hays. There are many names of purchasers in the estate sale. Names appearing on sale bill: Griffith, Henson, McMurty, Bryant, Hays, Acord, Brockett, Welch, Sutton, Butery(sp), Green, Hart, Marlin, Satterfield, Riley, Willis, Spence, Morland, Phipps, Veach, Witherspoon, Cook, Harris, Young, Smith, Pool and misc others that are difficult to read. I would like to find a descendant of said Raleigh Wilson to provide a copy to them. Raleigh Wilson (William Berry, Rawleigh Chinn, John (w/w Elizabeth Travers Chinn) Janean Janean ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 12:12 PM Subject: [WILSON-L] RESERACH FACTS > List > If you have any miscellaneous fact that you can't use > in your research and would like to share with others > Please post to the list. > If you will do lookups let us know. > For a starter > I will do lookup in my CD Church Records > Adams,Berks and Lancaster Co PA 1729 to 1881 > This would include marriage, death and births. > Be concise in your request. > Nadine > List Admin > > > > > > ==== WILSON Mailing List ==== > List owner > WILSON-admin@rootsweb.com > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 13:40:02 -0500 From: "ml henson" To: ILWHITE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ILWHITE] Charles Douglas HON I am trying to find the parents of Charles Douglas HON who was born in White Co IL on Oct. 26, 1860.. This is after the 1860 census. The family later moved to MO. I do not know he date they moved.. Is there a HON listed in the 1860 or 1870 census? Is there any other way to try to find these peop;e? Thank you. Mary Lee Henson ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:19:48 -0500 From: "ladybug" To: ILWHITE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ILWHITE] right to know Most of you agree with me...how can one determine if the ancestor is your blood relative until you LOOK at the record? Last year, before Hamilton County IL got so tight, I was able to get the William Davis certificates of marriage and death...there were only 14 William Davis' and their wives names are all Mary, Sarah, Rachel or Elizabeth So, I was lucky in 2002... and able to pin mine down.....not so, last week with Hutchcraft, Bond surnames and others. ladybug ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 6 message/rfc822 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:43:30 -0700 From: "Carolyn White" To: ILWHITE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ILWHITE] Charles Douglas HON Mary, In 1860 there are 3 Hon families living in White Co. Heads of families are Daniel, 52, b. KY, Jonas, 53, b. KY, Jonas, 29. b. IL. In 1870, there are 11 separate listings for the Hon name. One of these is a Daniel Hon, 39, b. IL, with wife Malinda, 36, b. IN. They have a child Charles, age 9, b. IL. who may be the Charles you are looking for. There is a marriage shown for a Daniel Hon and Lucinda Lukenbill, July 14, 1859. There is also a marriage shown for Daniel Hon and Malinda Lukenbill, Nov. 22, 1869. Lucinda may have been Charles mother. She may have died and Daniel then married a sister( Lucinda )before the 1870 census. This could be confirmed with the 1850 census. I hope this helps a little. Let me know if I can be of further assistance. Carolyn Campbell White -----Original Message----- From: ml henson [mailto:mlhenson@onecliq.net] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:40 AM To: ILWHITE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ILWHITE] Charles Douglas HON I am trying to find the parents of Charles Douglas HON who was born in White Co IL on Oct. 26, 1860.. This is after the 1860 census. The family later moved to MO. I do not know he date they moved.. Is there a HON listed in the 1860 or 1870 census? Is there any other way to try to find these peop;e? Thank you. Mary Lee Henson ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software

Thank you very much Carolyn. If I were't in this wheelchair i would be trying to do cartwheels! I am helping a cousin who has talked about this family for years. Thanks you for your assistance. Would you you ckthe 1880 census and see if Charles Hon is still in White Co. He married Tamer/Tamor Deem in 1887 somewhere. The name Lukenbill is a familiar one--only spelled Lookinbee--in Franklin Co IL. Thanks again. Mary Lee Henson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn White" <intrees@pacifier.com> To: <ILWHITE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:43 PM Subject: RE: [ILWHITE] Charles Douglas HON > Mary, > > In 1860 there are 3 Hon families living in White Co. Heads of families > are Daniel, 52, b. KY, Jonas, 53, b. KY, Jonas, 29. b. IL. > In 1870, there are 11 separate listings for the Hon name. One of these > is a Daniel Hon, 39, b. IL, with wife Malinda, 36, b. IN. They have a child > Charles, age 9, b. IL. who may be the Charles you are looking for. There is > a marriage shown for a Daniel Hon and Lucinda Lukenbill, July 14, 1859. > There is also a marriage shown for Daniel Hon and Malinda Lukenbill, Nov. > 22, 1869. Lucinda may have been Charles mother. She may have died and Daniel > then married a sister( Lucinda )before the 1870 census. This could be > confirmed with the 1850 census. > > I hope this helps a little. Let me know if I can be of further > assistance. > > Carolyn Campbell White > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ml henson [mailto:mlhenson@onecliq.net] > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:40 AM > To: ILWHITE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ILWHITE] Charles Douglas HON > > > I am trying to find the parents of Charles Douglas HON who was born in White > Co IL on Oct. 26, 1860.. This is after the 1860 census. The family later > moved to MO. I do not know he date they moved.. Is there a HON listed in > the 1860 or 1870 census? Is there any other way to try to find these > peop;e? > Thank you. > Mary Lee Henson > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Try Franklin Co for Hutchcrafts. There are several in the NE part of the county. MLH ----- Original Message ----- From: "ladybug" <ladybug@arends-sons.com> To: <ILWHITE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 3:19 PM Subject: [ILWHITE] right to know > Most of you agree with me...how can one determine if the ancestor is your blood relative until you LOOK at the record? Last year, before Hamilton County IL got so tight, I was able to get the William Davis certificates of marriage and death...there were only 14 William Davis' and their wives names are all Mary, Sarah, Rachel or Elizabeth So, I was lucky in 2002... and able to pin mine down.....not so, last week with Hutchcraft, Bond surnames and others. > ladybug > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Thanks-- but I think yours is a long shot. John A. Tennis, b. 1830's, was b. in PA per the 1870 and 1880 census records. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Dugger" <cvdugger@allera.net> To: <ILWHITE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 12:00 PM Subject: [ILWHITE] Tennis > Helen, I don't know if this might be a connection or not, but one of my > Duggers (Rhoda Ann) married an Alexander Teness in Macoupin Co. Nov 3, 1836. > I have no further information on Alexander other than there are several > spellings of the last name, but perhaps knowing there was a Tennes family in > Macoupin Co might help you figure out where to search. I do have > information about Rhoda Ann Dugger, though not much, and have no children > listed for them. > > Carol Dugger > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Helen, It's in Waldo Twp., Livingston County, Illinois; apparently the same John A. Tennis that "Genie" sent information about from the 1870 census. I had never seen these old plat maps before, but I went to the Illinois State Archives website and they have digitized maps from 1804-1891 through an LSTA grant and they are really neat! To get there: http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/home.html Then follow these links: Illinois State Archives Federal Township Plat Maps of Illinois (7th item down) View the Plats (near the top) Central Illinois Livingston County Waldo Twp. You can then see Section 34. Terry > [Original Message] > From: Helen and Gene Keusch <gkeusch@psci.net> > To: <ILWABASH-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 7/26/2003 8:53:05 AM > Subject: [ILWABASH] plat map > > I found an entry for land bought by John A. Tennis that reads-- N2SW sec > 34 27N 3E > > I know how to read a plat map, but don't have a full map of IL and the > coordinates. Can someone tell me where this would be located? Thanks. > Helen Zuber Keusch > > forever searching in the LAND, EDWARDS, WOFFORD, REEVES, MULLINIKS, > CRABTREE, GOODWIN, CHAPMAN, BENNETT, ZUBER, BANGERT, ANTHIS, > GOODART-GUTEKUNST, BANGERT, EAKINS, FORD-FOARD, SANDEFUR, MELTON, HANDLEY, > EZELL, WALCUP, THOMASSON, and DUNCAN families. On hubby's side-- lines of > KEUSCH, ZIMMERMANN, MEHRINGER, SCHITTER/SCHUETTER, SCHMITT, HOCHGESANG, > HOPF, and BURGER (Dubois CO, IN).

Helen, I don't know if this might be a connection or not, but one of my Duggers (Rhoda Ann) married an Alexander Teness in Macoupin Co. Nov 3, 1836. I have no further information on Alexander other than there are several spellings of the last name, but perhaps knowing there was a Tennes family in Macoupin Co might help you figure out where to search. I do have information about Rhoda Ann Dugger, though not much, and have no children listed for them. Carol Dugger

Thanks. Joseph Grass (Kress) was a step-brother of Margaret. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genie" <genielists@yahoo.com> To: <ILWHITE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [ILWHITE] Tennis family > Don't think this is much help, but from the 1870 > census: > > TENNIS, JOHN A 34 M W PA IL LIVINGSTON WALDO TWP > > Margaret, 26, b KY > Grass, Joseph, 11, b IN > Tennis, Wm., 5 mos., b IL, in Jan. > Goldsmith, Nick, 34, b France > John W., 3, b IL > > John was a farmer. The last child appears to be > a Goldsmith, but could be a Tennis not listed in > proper (or usual) order??? > > In 1880, the family is in Lincoln, Lawrence Co., > MO (See familysearch.org) as J. A. Tennis. etc. > Only child listed is son J. W., 10, b IL (plus > nephew Cornelas Tennis, 27). > > Was Joseph Grass, in 1870 census, a son by a very > early marriage of Margaret's? No sign of Paul or > Michael at all. > > --- Helen and Gene Keusch <gkeusch@psci.net> > wrote: > > Hi > > I am looking for descendants of Margaret Fecher > > (wf of John A. Tennis). > > Margaret's parents were Catherine Hochgesang > > and Paul Fecher of Dubois Co. > > Margaret was b. in KY, where her parents were > > married. So far I have 4 > > sons for Margaret-- Paul, Joseph, John William, > > and Michael. In 1874, > > she was living in McCleansboro, IL. Can > > anyone help me with this family? > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi I am looking for descendants of Margaret Fecher (wf of John A. Tennis). Margaret's parents were Catherine Hochgesang and Paul Fecher of Dubois Co. Margaret was b. in KY, where her parents were married. So far I have 4 sons for Margaret-- Paul, Joseph, John William, and Michael. In 1874, she was living in McCleansboro, IL. Can anyone help me with this family? Thanks. Helen Zuber Keusch forever searching in the LAND, EDWARDS, WOFFORD, REEVES, MULLINIKS, CRABTREE, GOODWIN, CHAPMAN, BENNETT, ZUBER, BANGERT, ANTHIS, GOODART-GUTEKUNST, BANGERT, EAKINS, FORD-FOARD, SANDEFUR, MELTON, HANDLEY, EZELL, WALCUP, THOMASSON, and DUNCAN families. On hubby's side-- lines of KEUSCH, ZIMMERMANN, MEHRINGER, SCHITTER/SCHUETTER, SCHMITT, HOCHGESANG, HOPF, and BURGER (Dubois CO, IN).

Don't think this is much help, but from the 1870 census: TENNIS, JOHN A 34 M W PA IL LIVINGSTON WALDO TWP Margaret, 26, b KY Grass, Joseph, 11, b IN Tennis, Wm., 5 mos., b IL, in Jan. Goldsmith, Nick, 34, b France John W., 3, b IL John was a farmer. The last child appears to be a Goldsmith, but could be a Tennis not listed in proper (or usual) order??? In 1880, the family is in Lincoln, Lawrence Co., MO (See familysearch.org) as J. A. Tennis. etc. Only child listed is son J. W., 10, b IL (plus nephew Cornelas Tennis, 27). Was Joseph Grass, in 1870 census, a son by a very early marriage of Margaret's? No sign of Paul or Michael at all. --- Helen and Gene Keusch <gkeusch@psci.net> wrote: > Hi > I am looking for descendants of Margaret Fecher > (wf of John A. Tennis). > Margaret's parents were Catherine Hochgesang > and Paul Fecher of Dubois Co. > Margaret was b. in KY, where her parents were > married. So far I have 4 > sons for Margaret-- Paul, Joseph, John William, > and Michael. In 1874, > she was living in McCleansboro, IL. Can > anyone help me with this family? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Most of you agree with me...how can one determine if the ancestor is your blood relative until you LOOK at the record? Last year, before Hamilton County IL got so tight, I was able to get the William Davis certificates of marriage and death...there were only 14 William Davis' and their wives names are all Mary, Sarah, Rachel or Elizabeth So, I was lucky in 2002... and able to pin mine down.....not so, last week with Hutchcraft, Bond surnames and others. ladybug

Mary, In 1860 there are 3 Hon families living in White Co. Heads of families are Daniel, 52, b. KY, Jonas, 53, b. KY, Jonas, 29. b. IL. In 1870, there are 11 separate listings for the Hon name. One of these is a Daniel Hon, 39, b. IL, with wife Malinda, 36, b. IN. They have a child Charles, age 9, b. IL. who may be the Charles you are looking for. There is a marriage shown for a Daniel Hon and Lucinda Lukenbill, July 14, 1859. There is also a marriage shown for Daniel Hon and Malinda Lukenbill, Nov. 22, 1869. Lucinda may have been Charles mother. She may have died and Daniel then married a sister( Lucinda )before the 1870 census. This could be confirmed with the 1850 census. I hope this helps a little. Let me know if I can be of further assistance. Carolyn Campbell White -----Original Message----- From: ml henson [mailto:mlhenson@onecliq.net] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:40 AM To: ILWHITE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ILWHITE] Charles Douglas HON I am trying to find the parents of Charles Douglas HON who was born in White Co IL on Oct. 26, 1860.. This is after the 1860 census. The family later moved to MO. I do not know he date they moved.. Is there a HON listed in the 1860 or 1870 census? Is there any other way to try to find these peop;e? Thank you. Mary Lee Henson ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I am trying to find the parents of Charles Douglas HON who was born in White Co IL on Oct. 26, 1860.. This is after the 1860 census. The family later moved to MO. I do not know he date they moved.. Is there a HON listed in the 1860 or 1870 census? Is there any other way to try to find these peop;e? Thank you. Mary Lee Henson

I have some misc facts for Wilson researchers of White Co. IL. I have of Will, Administrator's Report, Bill of Sale all on the Estate for Roley (Raleigh) C. Wilson dated 1903 and signed by wife Eliza (Harris) Wilson. Parents of Rawleigh Chester Wilson w/w Julia McMurtry and Mary Esther Wilson w/h Dennie Pool. Raleigh Wilson is the son of William Berry Wilson and Sarah Elizabeth Hays. There are many names of purchasers in the estate sale. Names appearing on sale bill: Griffith, Henson, McMurty, Bryant, Hays, Acord, Brockett, Welch, Sutton, Butery(sp), Green, Hart, Marlin, Satterfield, Riley, Willis, Spence, Morland, Phipps, Veach, Witherspoon, Cook, Harris, Young, Smith, Pool and misc others that are difficult to read. I would like to find a descendant of said Raleigh Wilson to provide a copy to them. Raleigh Wilson (William Berry, Rawleigh Chinn, John (w/w Elizabeth Travers Chinn) Janean Janean ----- Original Message ----- From: <nadineh@up-link.net> To: <WILSON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 12:12 PM Subject: [WILSON-L] RESERACH FACTS > List > If you have any miscellaneous fact that you can't use > in your research and would like to share with others > Please post to the list. > If you will do lookups let us know. > For a starter > I will do lookup in my CD Church Records > Adams,Berks and Lancaster Co PA 1729 to 1881 > This would include marriage, death and births. > Be concise in your request. > Nadine > List Admin > > > > > > ==== WILSON Mailing List ==== > List owner > WILSON-admin@rootsweb.com >

You could try running a search on www.google.com - use their advanced search feature. Catherine

CT. readers...Il readers have come up with this summation...I know CT has a "right to know law." Can anyone sum it up? ladybug@arends-sons.com in Ford County, Il. IL readers: To my dismay, after reading SO MUCH LEGAL junk, Dan has probably solved the problem. I will quote what he seems to have quoted..... "If you're into legalese, you can view or download a guide to the Illinois Freedom of Information Act put out by the Attorney General at this link: http://www.ag.state.il.us/foia/foiarevised.pdf The following quotation appears on every page of Vital Records information on the clerk's website, along with a description of who the "specific individuals" are: "Under Illinois State Law (410 ILCS 535-Vital Records Act) only specific individuals have legal access to birth, death, or marriage certificates. .......County Clerk's Office will issure certificates to authorized individuals only. To do otherwise is a violation of Illinois Law. Vital Records are not considered Public information, nor are the subject to the Freedom of Information Act." Guess we are out-of-luck.

This website should provide information about the "Freedom of Information Act (FOIA)." http://www.usdoj.gov/04foia/04_1.html Catherine Researching Endicott and Moore ---snip--- Does anyone know the rules - or where they can be found for the "Right to Know" in Illinois?  Every county is different, it seems.  I would like to go "prepared" to ask to see/get certificates that I want.

Does anyone know the rules - or where they can be found for the "Right to Know" in Illinois? Every county is different, it seems. I would like to go "prepared" to ask to see/get certificates that I want. ladybug@arends-sons.com

Is there a local Carmi researcher to do look-ups? We had only about an hour at the Geneology library last week - and I was not prepared for what I needed. I think I would have had better luck at the courthouse. Anyway, if there is a local person willing to look up some certificates for me, I will cover all your costs. Gail Hahn Hutchcraft ladybug@arends-sons.com Searching the following surnames: HUTCHCRAFT DAVIS BLACK CRISEL

Hi all: Just about anyone who has studied White County or Southern Illinois knows our area has always been an economic backwater, and has gone through some really tough times as the oil industry and small towns decline. About two years ago the State of Illinois agreed to build a new prison near Grayville, which would have brought many good, permanent jobs to the area. In April work on the facility stopped, a victim of the state budget deficit. It appears the project is on its last legs, but a petition drive has been started to try to bring some development to White County. If you are an Illinois voter, please sign the petition at http://www.PetitionOnline.com/gville03/petition.html . Please forward it to other Illinois residents you know. Back to genealogy, Cindy Birk Conley Carmi, IL