"Greetings All" I have spent many hours recovering from a computer crash, and re-doing all the Washington County Queries for the web page. I uploaded new query files to my ISP last night, but still more work to do. Main thing for all: Check and see if your Query is there or missing. Check and see if your email address is correct. (do this anytime over any period of time, not all at once :o) Contact me, [email protected] I still have people sending me email/queries without their personal name. I will not post queries to the web page, or answer any kind of mail, if a person will not put/sign their name on/to it. Hey, my name is Robert Middleton! I reply to these people and ask for their name (for the query database), and most of the time get no reply. Simple rule for queries: #1 Must be for Washington County Illinois. #2 You must include or sign your first and last name with your query request. ANONYMOUS QUERIES WILL NOT BE POSTED Check Your Queries At: http://mypage.direct.ca/m/mid/qryindex.htm (or) .html Let me know if yours is missing, or your email address is wrong. Thanks, Robert. Robert J. Middleton Box 1114 Ladysmith, Vancouver Island BC Canada V9G 1A8 Phone (250) 245-5643 email [email protected] Washington County IL ILGenWeb Co-ordinator Washington County IL Mail List Washington County IL Web Page http://mypage.direct.ca/m/mid/northam.html

I am checking the names Pape and Markham. I have gone to the courthouse twice--once on a non holiday, but it was closed. Any suggestions on how to research these names more efficiently? Jo AnnBain

I am still checking on gggrandfather Levi Newcomb, for father & mother's name and place of birth. Walter Newcomb

I write betimes to a gentleman in Porta Westfalica, Germany, who tells me that someone from Colorado with ancestors who moved to New Minden around 1853 has also established contact with someone from the area of Lohfield. Hm. Any ideas? Jerry in Boise BRANDT, ROSENBECK, HILGENBRINK, PRIES, HANNENBERGEN, MAENKOPF, GROSSMAN, HESEMAN

Can anyone tell me who the children were of Francois Rene Guillemet and Elizabeth Barbe Bourgogne.. They had a daughter jeanne born Dec 1838. thank you

***1830 Washington County Census*** The 1830 census has been transcribed, proof read, and put into spiral bound book form. It's (8.5X11) and in Microsoft Excel format with 35 pages. It includes 270 "Heads of Families" with number of males and females in house, with the bracketed ages. ( <5, 5<10, 10<15, 15<20, 20<30, etc. ) I think we all have an idea what the old film looks like, and it was fortunate to find one you could read at all. We ordered film in five times since last September. Besides the transcription, it includes printed copies of the original film pages. If anyone is interested it is available for $15.00 U.S. to cover costs. To order: Send U.S. money order, bank draft, your personal cheque, payable to: "Judith Middleton". A cheque must clear. The census will be mailed to you so you must include your full address. (and email address). Send to Address: Judith Middleton Box 1114 Ladysmith, BC V9G 1A8 CANADA Any questions, please contact me. Robert J. Middleton [email protected]

Hi Kay: When I try to answer your email regarding a Washington Co. matter I get a "bounce" at your address: [email protected] Can you email me your phone number ??????? Thanks, Robert. [email protected] Robert John Middleton P.O. Box 1114 Ladysmith, B.C. CANADA V9G 1A8 Fax/Phone (250) 245-5643 email [email protected] The ILGenWeb Project Washington Co. co-ordinator. My GENEALOGY home page URL is: http://mypage.direct.ca/m/mid/northam.html

I am looking for death or marriage info on Zachary Summers. His Civil War tombstone is at the Ashley Cemetery, no dates on it. There is no pension info on him either. Marci from the list is wondering about him also. His father was John and his grandfather was Thomas Summers from Ashley. Thanks for any help. Laura S.

I wholeheartedly agree with Christine. Folks who feel this is outrageously high pay monthly fees to use Ancestry Com and seemingly high prices for CD's from FamilyTree Maker that have been contributed to them by all of us with little or no verifications. At least what we get from NARA is legitimate information. [email protected] WebSite {http://www.dr-fox.com} ----- Original Message ----- From: TAYLOR,CHRISTINE (HP-Cupertino,ex1) <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 7:16 PM Subject: RE: [ILWASHIN] NARA Prices : Another point of view............You are probably not going to want to hear : this but for the sake of equal opportunity, I will voice my opinion. : : - the cost for maintaining those records for the future is going up. : - having indexed, microfilmed, etc will encure additional cost : - staffing facilities cost will be rising, and if you work, like I do, the : hours are terrible so I can never get to the facilities without taking : a day off, so having them open additional hours will cost. : : I don't know when the last price increase was but think we are all lucky to : have this info available at any cost. More and more info is becoming : available free on the internet and with more and more people getting into : genealogy every day, the available info will increase. I, for one, am going : to put my energies into writing letters about something meaningful to me, : like gun control, better education, drug awareness, AIDS research, and so on : and so on. : : Just my opinon. : : Christine : : : : -----Original Message----- : From: Merle Bellmer [mailto:[email protected]] : Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 6:33 AM : To: [email protected] : Subject: Re: [ILWASHIN] NARA Prices : : : We ALL need to let NARA know how we feel about the price incresase. I can : understand a price increase, but from $10 to $40 is going to be a : discouragement to many people to pursue one of the best sources of family : information. Some of the pension files contain marriage records, the : next-best-thing to birth certificates for children, places of residence, : witnesses who are often relatives, etc. etc. etc. : : If LOTS of people would write NARA, I think it would be quite an impression : to NARA. : : DON'T put it off until "tomorrow". Express your opinion NOW, please. : : Dot

As a researcher helping clients, I assure you that many Rev. War Pension files are 50 to 100 pages. What has happened in the past when you request a file, is the NARA staff selected 12-20 pages out of the complete file. Unless you requested the "complete" file, you were only given a partial file..pages the NARA staff felt you would like to have. Genealogists requesting "complete" files were charged additional. The files can be searched on your own if you happen to live near a NARA facility (lucky me!) However, part of this rate increase is for copying - even if you are doing it yourself. The proposal is to move the copy charge from 25 cents to 30 cents. I have never seen anyone that didn't want the file once it was found <lol> we all want to see what information is there! As with everything there are going to be those in favor and those against - the important thing is to let the NARA know how you feel about the documents and the rate increases. Like each of you I appreciate the work the NARA staff does to maintain records entrusted to them. Before we know it, the 1930 census will be released and we will all be busy reading various towns, counties and states again <lol> especially since only a few states will have indexes. Happy searching! Barb

Everyone has their opinion----thank goodness. > - having indexed, microfilmed, etc will encure additional cost If you mean they will incur additional cost for being indexed, microfilmed, etc., why would that be when they are ALREADY microfilmed and indexed?? > - staffing facilities cost will be rising, and if you work, like I do, the > hours are terrible so I can never get to the facilities without taking > a day off, so having them open additional hours will cost. I used to work for pay, but thankfully I am now retired. If the Archives is open additional hours, I don't think that will be of much help to get Civil War pension files. Civil War pension records are not available at regional National Archives, but must requested with a form which is then mailed to Washington D. C., unless one happens to live in that Washington. Maybe it could be hand delivered. The Revolutionary War pension files are on film at Regional Archives, but I for one have never seen the Civil War Pension files available but one way. There are some records of the Civil War at Regional Archives, but not the pension file. I would be surprised if they are ever on the internet since there could be many pages to just one file. Also there is nothing like intrepreting the handwriting on an old document for oneself, or seeing a copy of a page from an old family Bible, rather than the intrepretation of some individuals. Some contain the only written record that some of us will ever see of a marriage or the birthdates of children as written by parents. Some even have affidavits of individuals who can attest to the date of birth of children. Not many official birth records go back that far. Issues on guns, education, drug awareness, AIDS research, etc. are probably on different lists. This one deals with genealogy. Just my opinion Dot

Another point of view............You are probably not going to want to hear this but for the sake of equal opportunity, I will voice my opinion. - the cost for maintaining those records for the future is going up. - having indexed, microfilmed, etc will encure additional cost - staffing facilities cost will be rising, and if you work, like I do, the hours are terrible so I can never get to the facilities without taking a day off, so having them open additional hours will cost. I don't know when the last price increase was but think we are all lucky to have this info available at any cost. More and more info is becoming available free on the internet and with more and more people getting into genealogy every day, the available info will increase. I, for one, am going to put my energies into writing letters about something meaningful to me, like gun control, better education, drug awareness, AIDS research, and so on and so on. Just my opinon. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Merle Bellmer [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 6:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ILWASHIN] NARA Prices We ALL need to let NARA know how we feel about the price incresase. I can understand a price increase, but from $10 to $40 is going to be a discouragement to many people to pursue one of the best sources of family information. Some of the pension files contain marriage records, the next-best-thing to birth certificates for children, places of residence, witnesses who are often relatives, etc. etc. etc. If LOTS of people would write NARA, I think it would be quite an impression to NARA. DON'T put it off until "tomorrow". Express your opinion NOW, please. Dot

I have ordered several of these pension files...and none were even close to a hundred pages....so I think their reasoning is wrong. I can see charging someone more if they have more than 10 or 20 pages. Gosh you can visit the place and look it up for free. And it is only 25 cents to copy the microfilm. Hope I have ordered all I need. LOL. Rotten for future genealogists....looks like genealogists of the future will need a tidy nest egg. Ava

We ALL need to let NARA know how we feel about the price incresase. I can understand a price increase, but from $10 to $40 is going to be a discouragement to many people to pursue one of the best sources of family information. Some of the pension files contain marriage records, the next-best-thing to birth certificates for children, places of residence, witnesses who are often relatives, etc. etc. etc. If LOTS of people would write NARA, I think it would be quite an impression to NARA. DON'T put it off until "tomorrow". Express your opinion NOW, please. Dot

Resent-From: [email protected] *********This is quoted in full from another list: ********** I received the following email which noted a proposed large increase in fees from the National Archives and Records Administration (effective THIS September). The biggest change will be in the military pension records. We will no longer be able to request just 20 pages or so for $10. We will HAVE to pay for the WHOLE file and it will cost $40 !! Here is a summary of the increases (go to the sites to see for yourself: Proposed fees at: http://www.nara.gov/nara/fees-pro.html and current fees at: http://webgopher.nara.gov/11/about/cfr/public/1258.txt): DATES: Comments must be received by June 26, 2000. ADDRESSES: Submit comments to the Regulation Comment Desk (NPLN), Room 4100, National Archives at College Park, 8601 Adelphi Road, College Park, MD 20740-6001. Comments may also be faxed to (301)713-7270. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Nancy Allard on (301)713-7360. PROPOSED NEW FEES (with current cost in brackets): - - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Type of record and order form Price - - -------------------------------------------------------------------- (1) Passenger arrival lists (order form NATF Form 81).......... $17.25 [was $10] (2) Federal Census requests (order form NATF Form 82).......... $17.50 [was $6] (3) Eastern Cherokee applications to the Court of Claims (order $17.50 [was $10] form NATF Form 83)............................................ (4) Land entry records (order form NATF 84).................... $17.75 [was $10] (5) Bounty land warrant application files (order form NATF Form $17.25 [?? was $10 ??] 85)........................................................... (6) Pension files more than 75 years old (order form NATF Form $40.00 [was $10 for up to 20 pages] 85) will ONLY send WHOLE file may be 100+ plus pages................. (7) Military service files more than 75 years old (order form $17.00 [was $10] NATF Form 86)................................................. (a) Certification: $6. [was $10] (b) Electrostatic copying (in order to preserve certain records which are in poor physical condition, NARA may restrict customers to photographic or microfilm copies instead of electrostatic copies): Service Fee (1) Paper-to-paper copies (up to and including 11 in. by 17 $0.15 per copy. [was $0.10 per copy] in.) made by the customer on a NARA self-service copier. - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ---------------------------------- (2) Paper-to-paper copies (up to and including 11 in. by 17 $0.50 per copy. [was $0.50 per copy or $10 for] in.) made by NARA staff. [1st 20 & $5 ea. adtl. block of 20] - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ---------------------------------- (3) Oversized electrostatic copies......................... $2.70 per linear foot. [same] - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ---------------------------------- (4) Electrostatic copies (22 in. by 34 in.)................ $2.70 per copy. [same] - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ---------------------------------- (5) Microfilm or microfiche to paper copies made by the $0.30 per copy. [was $0.25 per copy] customer on a NARA self-service copier. (6) Microfilm or microfiche to paper copies made by NARA $1.90 per copy. [was $1.75 per copy] staff. (c) Original negative microfilm (paper-to-microfilm): $0.70 per image. [was $10 for 1st 15 & $14 ea. adtl. block of 20] (d) Diazo microfiche duplication: $2.50 per fiche. [was $2.10 per fiche] (e) Self-service video copying in the Motion Picture, Sound and Video Research Room: Service Fee - (1) Initial 90-min use of video copying station with 120- $9.75. [was $20] minute videocassette. (2) Additional 90-minute use of video copying station with $6.25. [was $14] no videocassette. - (3) Blank 120-minute VHS videocassette..................... $3.50. [was $6] (f) Self-service Polaroid prints: $5.75 per print. [was $9] (g) Unlisted processes: For reproductions not covered by this fee schedule, see also Sec. 1258.4. Fees for other reproduction processes are computed upon request. Robert John Middleton P.O. Box 1114 Ladysmith, B.C. CANADA V9G 1A8 Fax/Phone (250) 245-5643 email [email protected] The ILGenWeb Project Washington Co. co-ordinator. My GENEALOGY home page URL is: http://mypage.direct.ca/m/mid/northam.html

Thanks for the offer Gene. I descend from the James and Laura (Taylor) Smith Family of Washington Co., IL. I wanted to say hello to you and welcome to the list. Bill -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, May 15, 2000 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [ILWASHIN] SMITH FAMILIES >I have a copy of the 1850 census and have found Smith's listed on pages, >2-4-17-20-31-32-33-34-42-43-46-49-69-74. These are enumerations. Would be >happy to send information I have. >

I have a copy of the 1850 census and have found Smith's listed on pages, 2-4-17-20-31-32-33-34-42-43-46-49-69-74. These are enumerations. Would be happy to send information I have.

Searching for information on three SMITH familes that were listed on page 122 on the 1850 Washington Co. census. SMITH, Joshua N, 24.; wife Mary J., 19 SMITH, William R., 64; Mary, 53; John B., 20, Chester B., 16 SMITH, William R., 23; Cassandra, 25; Tabitha, 5; William R., 2; Mary, 5/12

Lawrence, Since July 4 hits on a Tuesday, they should be open on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. Kay from Washington County ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Downes <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 12:29 PM Subject: [ILWASHIN] Nashville courthouse Can anyone tell me what days the courthouse will be open the week of the 4th of July? I am planning a trip and would like to visit the courthouse that week. Thanks Lawrence in Alabama

Can anyone tell me what days the courthouse will be open the week of the 4th of July? I am planning a trip and would like to visit the courthouse that week. Thanks Lawrence in Alabama