Sandi, Did you see the message about an Evilsizer that died about 1945 on the streets of Nashville? I may have some info wrong.It said he was married to a Sarah Stamm who was deceased.I tried to print it out and after I deleted it found later that my printer had messed up. Do you have these people in your line ? Emily Matthews ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 10:23 AM Subject: [ILWASHIN] Courthouse Probate Box 49 > Has anyone ordered the contents of Box 49 from the Courthouse., If so, would > like to share in expense . If not, I am ordering and anyone welcome to share > in contents. > > sandi > >

Thanks for the info. Just when I think I've run out of things to research, I get a new clue from this site! Thanks again. Rita

John-- Thanks very much for the information. Checking the books _Die Familien der Kirchengemeinde Hartum_, Henry Sr. appears to be Heinrich Wilhelm Schnitker, born March 7, 1848, son of Johann Heinrich Wilhelm Schnitker, a Schneider (tailor) and Heuerling (tennant farmer) in Hartum and Christine Marie Horstmann, born in neighboring Südhemmern, Kr. Minden. The brothers were probably Friedrich Wilhelm Christian Schnitker, born Apr. 8, 1842 and Heinrich August Wilhelm, born May 15, 1853. There was also the youngest brother, Gottlieb August, born January 8, 1857. All four are listed in the book _Vivat Amerika, Auswanderung aus dem Kreis Minden 1816--1833_ as emigrating in 1857. Given their ages, I would think they must have come with their parents, or at least another older relative. I know it wasn't unusual for a fifteen-year-old to emigrate by himself, but with an infant brother in tow? While they aren't directly related to my Steffen line, they add one more piece of evidence to an already pretty overwhelming picture of the emigration pattern from the Minden area to Washington county. And as I'm sure you know from your own research, if I look long enough, I can probably find some kind of relationship somewhere through one of the other branches. Thanks again. Dan Steffen [email protected] At 09:00 AM 6/20/00 -0700, you wrote: >______________________________X-Message: #3 >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:27:42 -0600 >From: John Greiman <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: [ILWASHIN] Re: ILWASHIN-D Digest V00 #111 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I have a copy of the 1979 Washington County Illinois History >and there are 6 separate entries for the Schnitker families (some >are inter-related of course). This is only a short recap: > >Schnitker, Henry Sr. (brothers William and Christ) >born in Hartum, Westfalen, GER, on Mary 7, 1848 >Schnitker, Henry (son of Henry, Sr.) >Schnitker, Gustav (son of Henry, Jr.) >Schnitker, August (son of Henry, Jr.) >Schnitker, Ella Marie (daughter of Henry, Jr., 2nd marriage) >Schnitker, Rolland Gustan (son of Gustav) > >Common family names to my research: Maschhoff, Kasten, >and Sprehe. > >John Greiman >Highlands Ranch, CO > >[email protected] wrote: > >> Thank you! Yes, I would be interested in any Schnitker information you >> might have. Even if not directly related to my family, the information >> would likely help to illustrate migration patterns from the Minden area for >> a family history book I'm working on. >> >> Thanks again, >> Dan Steffen >

What is in box 49, please....................Christine -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 8:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ILWASHIN] Courthouse Probate Box 49 Has anyone ordered the contents of Box 49 from the Courthouse., If so, would like to share in expense . If not, I am ordering and anyone welcome to share in contents. sandi

Does anyone know of a good B&B in Nashville? I will be there the night of July 5th. and need a place to spend the night after a long afternoon in the court house. ;~) where I hope to open 5 or 6 probate boxes. Lawrence in Alabama -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 11:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: ILWASHIN-D Digest V00 #112

Has anyone ordered the contents of Box 49 from the Courthouse., If so, would like to share in expense . If not, I am ordering and anyone welcome to share in contents. sandi

I have a copy of the 1979 Washington County Illinois History and there are 6 separate entries for the Schnitker families (some are inter-related of course). This is only a short recap: Schnitker, Henry Sr. (brothers William and Christ) born in Hartum, Westfalen, GER, on Mary 7, 1848 Schnitker, Henry (son of Henry, Sr.) Schnitker, Gustav (son of Henry, Jr.) Schnitker, August (son of Henry, Jr.) Schnitker, Ella Marie (daughter of Henry, Jr., 2nd marriage) Schnitker, Rolland Gustan (son of Gustav) Common family names to my research: Maschhoff, Kasten, and Sprehe. John Greiman Highlands Ranch, CO [email protected] wrote: > Thank you! Yes, I would be interested in any Schnitker information you > might have. Even if not directly related to my family, the information > would likely help to illustrate migration patterns from the Minden area for > a family history book I'm working on. > > Thanks again, > Dan Steffen

No, I have not been in recent contact any of the Schnitker's of Washington County. My last contact was with a Louise (Rixmann) Schnitker in 1985 after my father's funeral. She send us a reproduction picture of a one-room country school picture of herself, my father, and other students of Hoyleton: http://www.west-point.org/users/usma1981/38405/genealogy/images/1936_school.html (watch the word wrap) I would be very interested in telephone number of the Schnitker family members (Louise lived in Centralia). John Greiman Highlands Ranch, CO [email protected] wrote: > John, Have you contacted any of the Schnitker's who still live in > Washington County? Some of them might be of help to you in > your search. I can get telephone numbers and addresses if you > would be interested. > > Kay from Washington County

http://www.xmission.com/~nelsonb/pioneer_search3.htm I've found this to be a useful site for determining if an ancestor emigrated with the Mormon colonists. It is particularly good about finding the name of the ship someone from Europe came on. We had some surprises on it. I'm not sure how effective it is for internal migrations. Jerry in Idaho

With so much information about Washington County, why don't you have this link on your page Robert? So many of the other counties offer the other page addy's, I think that this one ought to be on your page..........!!!! http://www.iltrails.org/Washington/ Marci..........................!!!!

John, Have you contacted any of the Schnitker's who still live in Washington County? Some of them might be of help to you in your search. I can get telephone numbers and addresses if you would be interested. Kay from Washington County ----- Original Message ----- From: John Greiman <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 9:21 PM Subject: [ILWASHIN] Re: ILWASHIN-D Digest V00 #108 While I have no direct relationship with the SCHNITKER family, I have a little bit of information via a marriage. John Greiman Highlands Ranch, CO [email protected] wrote: > Subject: > > ILWASHIN-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 108 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [ILWASHIN] Washington County inter [Steffen <[email protected]>] > #2 [ILWASHIN] searching [margie maul <[email protected]] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from ILWASHIN-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > > Subject: [ILWASHIN] Washington County interests > Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:11:25 -0500 > From: Steffen <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > I would like to make contact with descendants of siblings and cousins of my > greatgrandparents, Heinrich Wilhelm August "Henry" STEFFEN (29 Feb 1856--28 > Feb 1931) and Charlotte Caroline Christine "Lottie" STEFFEN (nee > ROECKEMANN) (6 Feb 1862--11 Feb 1897). Both were born in Hahlen, Hartum > Parish, Kreis Minden, Westphalia, Prussia, and emigrated to Irvington Twp., > Washington County in 1892. Some of their siblings and cousins are known to > have settled in Washington and Clinton counties, as well as St. Louis, MO. > > Some known surnames in these family lines include: STEFFEN, > ROECKEMAN/ROCKEMAN, STAES/STAAS, WEBER, KOENEMANN, FREDERKING, SCHLOTMANN, > DROEGE/DROGE, SCHNITKER, BEERMANN, and others. > > I would also be interested in hearing from anyone whose family came from > Hahlen or the other villages of Hartum Parish (Hartum, Nordhemmern, > Holzhausen) west of Minden, Germany. > > Dan Steffen > [email protected] > El Paso, IL > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > > Subject: [ILWASHIN] searching > Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 21:09:12 -0600 > From: margie maul <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Searching Nowak and Karolewski-any info would be great! > [email protected] [email protected] wrote: > Subject: > > ILWASHIN-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 108 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [ILWASHIN] Washington County inter [Steffen <[email protected]>] > #2 [ILWASHIN] searching [margie maul <[email protected]] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from ILWASHIN-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > > Subject: [ILWASHIN] Washington County interests > Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:11:25 -0500 > From: Steffen <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > I would like to make contact with descendants of siblings and cousins of my > greatgrandparents, Heinrich Wilhelm August "Henry" STEFFEN (29 Feb 1856--28 > Feb 1931) and Charlotte Caroline Christine "Lottie" STEFFEN (nee > ROECKEMANN) (6 Feb 1862--11 Feb 1897). Both were born in Hahlen, Hartum > Parish, Kreis Minden, Westphalia, Prussia, and emigrated to Irvington Twp., > Washington County in 1892. Some of their siblings and cousins are known to > have settled in Washington and Clinton counties, as well as St. Louis, MO. > > Some known surnames in these family lines include: STEFFEN, > ROECKEMAN/ROCKEMAN, STAES/STAAS, WEBER, KOENEMANN, FREDERKING, SCHLOTMANN, > DROEGE/DROGE, SCHNITKER, BEERMANN, and others. > > I would also be interested in hearing from anyone whose family came from > Hahlen or the other villages of Hartum Parish (Hartum, Nordhemmern, > Holzhausen) west of Minden, Germany. > > Dan Steffen > [email protected] > El Paso, IL > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > > Subject: [ILWASHIN] searching > Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 21:09:12 -0600 > From: margie maul <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Searching Nowak and Karolewski-any info would be great! > [email protected] [email protected] wrote: > I would like to make contact with descendants of siblings and cousins of my > greatgrandparents, Heinrich Wilhelm August "Henry" STEFFEN (29 Feb 1856--28 > Feb 1931) and Charlotte Caroline Christine "Lottie" STEFFEN (nee > ROECKEMANN) (6 Feb 1862--11 Feb 1897). Both were born in Hahlen, Hartum > Parish, Kreis Minden, Westphalia, Prussia, and emigrated to Irvington Twp., > Washington County in 1892. Some of their siblings and cousins are known to > have settled in Washington and Clinton counties, as well as St. Louis, MO. > > Some known surnames in these family lines include: STEFFEN, > ROECKEMAN/ROCKEMAN, STAES/STAAS, WEBER, KOENEMANN, FREDERKING, SCHLOTMANN, > DROEGE/DROGE, SCHNITKER, BEERMANN, and others. > > I would also be interested in hearing from anyone whose family came from > Hahlen or the other villages of Hartum Parish (Hartum, Nordhemmern, > Holzhausen) west of Minden, Germany.

John-- Thank you! Yes, I would be interested in any Schnitker information you might have. Even if not directly related to my family, the information would likely help to illustrate migration patterns from the Minden area for a family history book I'm working on. Thanks again, Dan Steffen At 08:00 AM 6/19/00 -0700, you wrote: >While I have no direct relationship with the SCHNITKER family, >I have a little bit of information via a marriage. > >John Greiman >Highlands Ranch, CO >

Hi All: Some time ago someone wrote to the list that there was info out there on an old fort called the "MIDDLETON & GOING FORT". Not sure about GOING, or spelling of same, but someone told me it was an old surename ??? Would anyone have any more info on this "Fort" ? Doris Christin also sent me some historical info on an old "Kaskaskia River Ferry". Page 260: Looking -Glass Township. (Clinton Co.) "July 20, 1818, William Middleton entered the north-east quarter of section 17. A man by the name of THATCHER had a ferry on the Kankaskia here, and Middleton bought him out, and afterwards run the ferry until his death. It was on a direct well-traveled road, from the south-east to St. Louis, and much patronized by movers from the south going into Missouri in the early times, and Middleton's Ferry was known far and wide. Robert Middleton, a brother, settled about two miles farther down the Kaskaskia river the same year, his cabin stood near the line of St Clair County. The Middletons both died on the land they improved here." (Their brother Reuben was in Washington Co.) This should be up by the river in Okawville twsp. area ??? I would have to check their land records and find the location of the ferry, and are there are any old photos of this ferry??? Think it was still there in early 1850's ??? Robert J. Middleton.

At 12:28 PM 6/16/00 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Robert, > >I have a lot of Middleton information to go through which will take a while. >Will let you know if I find something. > >Deborah +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= Thanks Deborah: Didn't know there was anyone out there that had any Middleton info!!!!! The earliest Middleton birth date I have in the area is William 24 May 1810, Washington Co. was still St. Claire. Most of my research is on brothers Robert William and Reuben, in old St. Claire, and the new Washington 1818 and then the new Clinton 1824. Do any of these old names ring a bell ???, or any descendants ??? My gg grandfather was born Wash. Co. 1834. When you have time. Many thanks, Robert J. Middleton.

Hi All: Can't find the name of who wrote to the list re: MORMONS. Can only find the following Morman info: "The Middletons (Reuben Middleton) and BUTLER families had settled near Far West and were expelled in the winter of 1838/39. they then went back to Wash. Co. They later moved up to Nauvoo IL in the spring of 1840 (he is not in 1840 Wash. Co. census), where they followed farming until the spring of 1846, when they were again driven out west and remained at or near Council Bluffs untill the spring of 1850. They then crossed the plains and arrived at Salt Lake 22 Sept. 1850" Another quote is in there by his grandson Chas. F. b. 24 Feb. 1834 Owkawville: " My father (William) was b. 1804 St. Clair Co. My parents and grandparents on both sides joined the Morman Church in the fall of 1834" My gg grandfather (b. 1834 Nashville) was not among this group, as all in family did not want to join the Mormans. BUT, is there a good chance other Wash. Co. surnames went west and vanished from the census after 1830 ???? If so, try Hancock Co. IL (Nauvoo) or even UTAH ??? Hope the dates help, as I've been told, people traveled in groups. ??? Reuben was one of the first men appointed to oversee the running of the "new" Washington Co. 1818, and was there even before 1810. That's all the Wash. Co. Morman migration info I have. Robert J. Middleton. .

At 12:13 PM 6/17/00 -0400, you wrote: >Suggest you check out 1920 census record. Cohlmeyer is listed. I personally >know Robert(Bob) Cohlmeyer now living in Centralia Are can supply address and >tel.#.I attended church with George & Bernice Cohlmeyer who attended the >Richview Baptist Church. >Walter Newcomb. [email protected] ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In the 1860 census book I could only find the spelling COLMIRE ??? X2. Can't find anything like COHLMEYER/COLMIRE in the 1830. Walter, I'm interested in the Caroline Newcomb that married William Middleton 4 Dec 1845 Wash. Co. Regards, Robert. Robert J. Middleton Box 1114 Ladysmith, Vancouver Island BC Canada V9G 1A8 Phone (250) 245-5643 email [email protected] Washington County IL ILGenWeb Co-ordinator Washington County IL Mail List Washington County IL Web Page http://mypage.direct.ca/m/mid/northam.html

Russell, Looked again at that map and see no Biddleborn on there. That's in the same area. Kay ----- Original Message ----- From: Russell D. James <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 12:19 AM Subject: [ILWASHIN] Map question I was checking out a map of Washington County from the 1895 Atlas of the United states, found at: http://www.LivGenMI.com/washingtonIL.htm and I noticed a small settlement about 5-10 miles north of Lively Grove called "Stone Church." Does anyone have any information on this settlement? Russell

Russell, It's still here. I know where Stone Church is. Really isn't much there tho. Kay from Washington County ----- Original Message ----- From: Russell D. James <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 12:19 AM Subject: [ILWASHIN] Map question I was checking out a map of Washington County from the 1895 Atlas of the United states, found at: http://www.LivGenMI.com/washingtonIL.htm and I noticed a small settlement about 5-10 miles north of Lively Grove called "Stone Church." Does anyone have any information on this settlement? Russell

I was checking out a map of Washington County from the 1895 Atlas of the United states, found at: http://www.LivGenMI.com/washingtonIL.htm and I noticed a small settlement about 5-10 miles north of Lively Grove called "Stone Church." Does anyone have any information on this settlement? Russell

While I have no direct relationship with the SCHNITKER family, I have a little bit of information via a marriage. John Greiman Highlands Ranch, CO [email protected] wrote: > Subject: > > ILWASHIN-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 108 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [ILWASHIN] Washington County inter [Steffen <[email protected]>] > #2 [ILWASHIN] searching [margie maul <[email protected]] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from ILWASHIN-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: [ILWASHIN] Washington County interests > Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:11:25 -0500 > From: Steffen <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > I would like to make contact with descendants of siblings and cousins of my > greatgrandparents, Heinrich Wilhelm August "Henry" STEFFEN (29 Feb 1856--28 > Feb 1931) and Charlotte Caroline Christine "Lottie" STEFFEN (nee > ROECKEMANN) (6 Feb 1862--11 Feb 1897). Both were born in Hahlen, Hartum > Parish, Kreis Minden, Westphalia, Prussia, and emigrated to Irvington Twp., > Washington County in 1892. Some of their siblings and cousins are known to > have settled in Washington and Clinton counties, as well as St. Louis, MO. > > Some known surnames in these family lines include: STEFFEN, > ROECKEMAN/ROCKEMAN, STAES/STAAS, WEBER, KOENEMANN, FREDERKING, SCHLOTMANN, > DROEGE/DROGE, SCHNITKER, BEERMANN, and others. > > I would also be interested in hearing from anyone whose family came from > Hahlen or the other villages of Hartum Parish (Hartum, Nordhemmern, > Holzhausen) west of Minden, Germany. > > Dan Steffen > [email protected] > El Paso, IL > > ______________________________ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: [ILWASHIN] searching > Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 21:09:12 -0600 > From: margie maul <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Searching Nowak and Karolewski-any info would be great! > [email protected] [email protected] wrote: > Subject: > > ILWASHIN-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 108 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [ILWASHIN] Washington County inter [Steffen <[email protected]>] > #2 [ILWASHIN] searching [margie maul <[email protected]] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from ILWASHIN-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: [ILWASHIN] Washington County interests > Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:11:25 -0500 > From: Steffen <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > I would like to make contact with descendants of siblings and cousins of my > greatgrandparents, Heinrich Wilhelm August "Henry" STEFFEN (29 Feb 1856--28 > Feb 1931) and Charlotte Caroline Christine "Lottie" STEFFEN (nee > ROECKEMANN) (6 Feb 1862--11 Feb 1897). Both were born in Hahlen, Hartum > Parish, Kreis Minden, Westphalia, Prussia, and emigrated to Irvington Twp., > Washington County in 1892. Some of their siblings and cousins are known to > have settled in Washington and Clinton counties, as well as St. Louis, MO. > > Some known surnames in these family lines include: STEFFEN, > ROECKEMAN/ROCKEMAN, STAES/STAAS, WEBER, KOENEMANN, FREDERKING, SCHLOTMANN, > DROEGE/DROGE, SCHNITKER, BEERMANN, and others. > > I would also be interested in hearing from anyone whose family came from > Hahlen or the other villages of Hartum Parish (Hartum, Nordhemmern, > Holzhausen) west of Minden, Germany. > > Dan Steffen > [email protected] > El Paso, IL > > ______________________________ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: [ILWASHIN] searching > Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 21:09:12 -0600 > From: margie maul <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Searching Nowak and Karolewski-any info would be great! > [email protected] [email protected] wrote: > I would like to make contact with descendants of siblings and cousins of my > greatgrandparents, Heinrich Wilhelm August "Henry" STEFFEN (29 Feb 1856--28 > Feb 1931) and Charlotte Caroline Christine "Lottie" STEFFEN (nee > ROECKEMANN) (6 Feb 1862--11 Feb 1897). Both were born in Hahlen, Hartum > Parish, Kreis Minden, Westphalia, Prussia, and emigrated to Irvington Twp., > Washington County in 1892. Some of their siblings and cousins are known to > have settled in Washington and Clinton counties, as well as St. Louis, MO. > > Some known surnames in these family lines include: STEFFEN, > ROECKEMAN/ROCKEMAN, STAES/STAAS, WEBER, KOENEMANN, FREDERKING, SCHLOTMANN, > DROEGE/DROGE, SCHNITKER, BEERMANN, and others. > > I would also be interested in hearing from anyone whose family came from > Hahlen or the other villages of Hartum Parish (Hartum, Nordhemmern, > Holzhausen) west of Minden, Germany.