OK, had to write again..... Here is the way that it is in Good Old Washington County.... The total of Family Historians is about (let's be stretching it a bit) 250, and of those 250, only half really active (125)...of those half, only about half go to the county for research (60 or so)....and not all that often, but let's say for safety sake once a year.... So during the whole of a year you got about 60 people that make the trip to Nashville to search the records.......and they only stay for 2-3 days. (ok, now lets lump them all together in January and February, and they spend the night at the hotel, and eat 3 meals a day spending let's say $100....and then they are gone, out of mind and out of sight).....and no more visitors in a 10 month span...... We all know where the majority of time is spent, courthouse and library (which is free), copies....yeah, we might spend $25-50, and then off to the cemeteries...(free again)....----Total spent: $150...for 60 people.....$9,000 dollars, hefty chunk of change for you and I, but a whole county of wealthy landowners who like to plow under our cemeteries??????? Nyet..... Now look at the way Washington County looks at us......we are a nuisance, we take up their time, and we don't really give anything to the county itself, WE DON'T VOTE, we don't shop in their shops, we don't bank where they bank, we don't use the bowling alley or the theater ....heck, we don't even bring our pets to poop on their glorious green lawn at the old courthouse.....WE DON'T MATTER TO THEM!!!!!! So my dear friends, writing all them letters .... you think that will influence Mr. Luchentenfeld, or sway him?? We are not his constituent's.....HAH!!!!! Where there is a will, there is a way......and like Gypsy Rose Lee's mother said "Ya gotta have a gimmick" and that's in my next e-mail............ The Little General Marci Lamar Kasen

----- Original Message ----- From: Wil Franklin To: Wil Franklin Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 11:10 AM SENATOR: David Luechtefeld SENATE DISTRICT: 58 PARTY: Republican DISTRICT ADDRESS: 700 N. Front St.,Box 517 Okawville, IL 62271 PHONE: 618-243-9014 CAPITOL ADDRESS: M122 CAP PHONE: 782-8137 ASSOCIATED Rep. Mike Bost REPRESENTATIVES: Rep. Dan Reitz REPRESENTATIVE: Dan Reitz HOUSE DISTRICT: 116 PARTY: Democrat DISTRICT ADDRESS: 128a West Main Sparta, IL 62286 PHONE: 618-443-5757 CAPITOL ADDRESS: 2062-L SOB PHONE: 782-1018 ASSOCIATED SENATOR: Sen. David Luechtefeld REPRESENTATIVE: Mike Bost HOUSE DISTRICT: 115 PARTY: Republican DISTRICT ADDRESS: 300 E. Main Carbondale, IL 62901 PHONE: 618-457-5787 CAPITOL ADDRESS: 2023-H SOB PHONE: 782-0387 ASSOCIATED SENATOR: Sen. David Luechtefeld

I am really sorry this problem can't be resolved! I will keep trying to speak out for getting records available to those who have ancestors in Washington County. Kay in Washington County ----- Original Message ----- From: James & Meredith DeBuse <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [ILWASHIN] "NEWS" I have been trying to get records out of Washington County for years. It is really sad that they have such a stubborn mindset on this issue. It almost makes you wonder what they are trying to hide. I have two families from Washington County, back in the middle 1800's. I have managed to get the records I needed in round-about ways, but it would certainly simplfy things if they were more cooperative. Meredith DeBuse Woodland, WA FARMER and TATE families iin Washington County ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert J. Middleton <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 12:42 AM Subject: [ILWASHIN] "NEWS" > Hi All: > I just rec'd a reply to my recent letter to IRAD > > ============================================================ ======== > > Mr. Middleton, > > Thanks for your continued interest in our efforts to preserve and get > access to Washington County records. There are some efforts along official > lines that I still cannot report on--efforts behind the scenes. But I will > say that we have had no luck whatsoever up to this point. > The county clerks at a recent Zone Meeting, at which the Washington County > clerk was present, were informed of an opportunity to have records > microfilmed at no cost by the Genealogical Society of Utah. I also invited > them to make their marriage records available to us for inclusion in the > online Statewide Marriage Index. Washington County and two or three > others--out of 102 counties--are the only counties for which we have no > data. Unfortunately there has been no response so far from Washington County! > We haven't given up on Washington County and will continue to look for > opportunities to gain their cooperation. So please stay in touch, and if > there is any late-breaking news, you will be one of the first people I > contact. > > Karl Moore > > ============================================================ ====== > > > Robert J. Middleton > Box 1114 > Ladysmith, Vancouver Island > BC Canada V9G 1A8 > Phone (250) 245-5643 > email [email protected] > Washington County IL ILGenWeb Co-ordinator > Washington County IL Mail List > Washington County IL Web Page > http://mypage.direct.ca/m/mid/northam.html > > ______________________________

I have been trying to get records out of Washington County for years. It is really sad that they have such a stubborn mindset on this issue. It almost makes you wonder what they are trying to hide. I have two families from Washington County, back in the middle 1800's. I have managed to get the records I needed in round-about ways, but it would certainly simplfy things if they were more cooperative. Meredith DeBuse Woodland, WA FARMER and TATE families iin Washington County ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert J. Middleton <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 12:42 AM Subject: [ILWASHIN] "NEWS" > Hi All: > I just rec'd a reply to my recent letter to IRAD > > ============================================================ ======== > > Mr. Middleton, > > Thanks for your continued interest in our efforts to preserve and get > access to Washington County records. There are some efforts along official > lines that I still cannot report on--efforts behind the scenes. But I will > say that we have had no luck whatsoever up to this point. > The county clerks at a recent Zone Meeting, at which the Washington County > clerk was present, were informed of an opportunity to have records > microfilmed at no cost by the Genealogical Society of Utah. I also invited > them to make their marriage records available to us for inclusion in the > online Statewide Marriage Index. Washington County and two or three > others--out of 102 counties--are the only counties for which we have no > data. Unfortunately there has been no response so far from Washington County! > We haven't given up on Washington County and will continue to look for > opportunities to gain their cooperation. So please stay in touch, and if > there is any late-breaking news, you will be one of the first people I > contact. > > Karl Moore > > ============================================================ ====== > > > Robert J. Middleton > Box 1114 > Ladysmith, Vancouver Island > BC Canada V9G 1A8 > Phone (250) 245-5643 > email [email protected] > Washington County IL ILGenWeb Co-ordinator > Washington County IL Mail List > Washington County IL Web Page > http://mypage.direct.ca/m/mid/northam.html > > ______________________________

Dot - I have no idea! I have very little information on the Mode's. Valentine Mode was married to Mary J. Waadle. He drowned in 1891 while duck hunting. He was found in the Okaw River near Venedy. I don't know how old he was, but his children were still young. I don't know who his siblings or parents were. I am also looking for info on a George & Phillipina Mode. I don't know if they're connected to Valentine or not. They had a daughter, Catherine, who married Henry Becker in St. Clair Co. Phillipina apparently died in St. Clair Co. George must've already been deceased as he wasn't in the 1860 St. Clair census. Catherine & Henry Becker moved to Perry County during the 1860's. Let me know if you find a connection! Thanks! Lisa Wagner On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:57:39 -0700 "Merle Bellmer" <[email protected]> writes: > Welcome to the list. > > Could the Moodys have been in Marion Co. IL too? Did a William > Moody marry > Mary Hadden 1870? > > Dot > > > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Welcome to the list. Could the Moodys have been in Marion Co. IL too? Did a William Moody marry Mary Hadden 1870? Dot

Hi everybody! I am new to the Washington County mailing list & just wanted to let everybody know what names I am researching: Mode (Moodey, Moody, Mote) & Pugh (I think they were in Washington Co. for a while). If anybody else is researching these names, please e-mail me! Thanks. Lisa Wagner ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Tom Ganz, the County Clerk, is an elected officer. If he's not recently re-elected, he's about to be for another term. According to some friends who live in the area, he is not at all interested in family histories and from what I understand is as least cooperative as he possibly can be (within the law) for people to do research in his office - even so far as to have very little counter space available on which to look through record books. Evidently he's been digging his heels in harder and harder in the ground the longer he is in office. I tend to agree with others on this list that the only way these records will ever be released will be locals putting the pressure on people in City Hall. Jo

Steve, I've been told that this cemetery was indexed in the Marissa Historical Society book called "Washington County Cemeteries." I don't have the address for their society on hand, but if you go to the Washington County genweb page, it's there. The book is out-of-date for many people, but you are like me and have ancestors going back to the pre-1850 area in Washington County, so you will find it useful. Russell

All, I just read the letter Mr. Middleton posted and had a thought...Are the clerks in Washington County appointed or elected? If elected, is there a challenger this election year? If so, what are that person's views on the matter? Russell Russell D. James Milton, Florida [email protected] ICQ#--79087874

In a message dated 07/13/2000 12:07:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > I've been told that this cemetery was indexed in the Marissa Historical > Society book called "Washington County Cemeteries." I don't have the > address for their society on hand, but if you go to the Washington County > genweb page, it's there. Does this book list who is buried in the cemetaries??? Ava

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BFEC93.074E8FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My ancestries came to Washington County in the late 1830's and settle near the southwest corner of Bolo Township. The closest cemetery to were they were located was the Old Concord Baptist Cemetery located in the southeast corner of Pilot Knob Township. Has anyone out there done any research of this cemetery? Does anyone know of someone who has access to the records of this cemetery. My great-great grandfather died sometime in either 1859 or 1860. His wife later moved to Kansas where she homesteaded the farm that my grandfather, my father and I was raised on. Today my brother still runs the same farm and has raised all of his children on that farm. Someday his oldest son will probably take over the farm. My great-great grandfather's name was Elithan Hall, sometimes spelled Elathan Hall. His father and brother were both name Isaac Hall and he had another brother named Jonathon Hall. Any help would be appreciated. Steve Hall Irving, TX email: [email protected] ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BFEC93.074E8FC0 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Steve Hall.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Steve Hall.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Hall;Steve FN:Steve Hall ORG:Clairex Technologies, Inc. TITLE:Quality Manager TEL;WORK;VOICE:972-422-4676 TEL;HOME;VOICE:972-252-9048 TEL;CELL;VOICE:972-754-1184 TEL;WORK;FAX:972-423-8628 ADR;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:;;1845 Summit Ave=3D0D=3D0ASuite = 404;Plano;TX;75074;USA LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:1845 Summit Ave=3D0D=3D0ASuite = 404=3D0D=3D0APlano, TX 75074=3D0D=3D0AUSA ADR;HOME:;;4909 Longwood Ct.;Irving;TX;75038;USA LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:4909 Longwood = Ct.=3D0D=3D0AIrving, TX 75038=3D0D=3D0AUSA URL: URL:http://www.clairex.com EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[email protected] REV:20000526T024704Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BFEC93.074E8FC0--

Hi All: I just rec'd a reply to my recent letter to IRAD ============================================================ Mr. Middleton, Thanks for your continued interest in our efforts to preserve and get access to Washington County records. There are some efforts along official lines that I still cannot report on--efforts behind the scenes. But I will say that we have had no luck whatsoever up to this point. The county clerks at a recent Zone Meeting, at which the Washington County clerk was present, were informed of an opportunity to have records microfilmed at no cost by the Genealogical Society of Utah. I also invited them to make their marriage records available to us for inclusion in the online Statewide Marriage Index. Washington County and two or three others--out of 102 counties--are the only counties for which we have no data. Unfortunately there has been no response so far from Washington County! We haven't given up on Washington County and will continue to look for opportunities to gain their cooperation. So please stay in touch, and if there is any late-breaking news, you will be one of the first people I contact. Karl Moore ============================================================ Robert J. Middleton Box 1114 Ladysmith, Vancouver Island BC Canada V9G 1A8 Phone (250) 245-5643 email [email protected] Washington County IL ILGenWeb Co-ordinator Washington County IL Mail List Washington County IL Web Page http://mypage.direct.ca/m/mid/northam.html

-- Father - James Riley WILLIAMS - as James WILLIAMS on 1880 census, Washington Co., IL. with family. b. ca. 1844 probably in IL. d. 1880's. Mother - Rebecca ATCHISON - they were married 6 Dec 1866 in Washington Co., IL. b. 26 Apr 1849 IL. d. 28 Dec 1928 WA. female - Emma Frances b. ca. 18 Sep 1867 IL. d. 27 Sep 1923 WA. female - Luetta Jane WILLIAMS b. ca. 1869 MO. d. ca. 1892 at age 23 male - James Perry WILLIAMS b. 6 Feb 1874 MO. (possibly born in Carthage, Jasper Co., MO.) d. 1953 Vancouver, B.C., CANADA female - Neuma Ora b. 20 Nov 1876 MO. d. 9 Feb 1964 Multnomah Co., OR. male - Charles P. WILLIAMS b. Sep 1879 (Washington Co., IL.) female - Clara WILLIAMS b. after 1880 census d. at age 9 Are there any others with Washington Co., IL. connections who had ancestors in of near Jasper Co., MO. during the 1870's. And they came back to Washington Co., IL. for the 1880 census? Sincerely, Kay (Williams) Chestnut Hood River, OR. E-mail - [email protected] ==== WILLIAMS Mailing List ==== List web page: http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/lists/WILLIAMS.htm

There is a MARCUM listed, possibly "F" is first initial, age 37, a farmer, from NC spouse; Nancy, age 43, TN Bradly ?, 17, Kentucky Rhoda, 15, TN James W, 14, KY Sarah ?, 12, KY Nancy, 10, KY Mary E, 8, KY (Z, T, ?)achary, 3, IL Recognize anybody? Karla ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [ILWASHIN] 20th. District? > In looking through the 1850 census did you happen to see any Markhams? > Thanks, Jo Ann Bain >

In looking through the 1850 census did you happen to see any Markhams? Thanks, Jo Ann Bain

In looking at the 1850 census I found some Bramier's listed as living in Washington County, District 20. Would anyone know where District 20 is located? Also does anyone know if towns like Okawville and Addieville existed at that time? Thanks for your help. Ann Brammeier Spavor

I want to thank everyone that suggested a way to fix my problem with my printer skipping every other page. Unfortunately none worked. I had to call microsoft techincal support. Turned out a program I had downloaded from the microsoft website called Internet Explorer Version 5.5 was causing the problem. It is Beta phase, whatever that means, and not compatible to my printer. I uninstalled it and my printer works fine. Thanks for everyone's suggestions, Kay

Dear Friends, I have just read and signed the online petition: "National Cemetery Protection Act" hosted on the web by PetitionOnline.com, the free online petition service, at: http://www.petitiononline.com/sg0001/petition.html I personally agree with what this petition says, and I think you might agree, too. If you can spare a moment, please take a look, and consider signing yourself. Best wishes, MARCI LAMAR KASEN

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