Yes, Cheryl. Thanks. Karen

I am assuming you already checked the state marriage index online.... Cheryl Rothwell LoganCty@mindspring.com

Thanks so much for your help. This is a real brick wall! Can't find where John Carter married Amelia Pike but we know it was around 1860. Karen

Karen, Recording of Marriages in Tazewell County was required from the time the county was formed in 1827. Therefore, marriage records during the 1850-1860's are considered "relatively" complete. So, the fact you didn't find them at IRAD is a strong indicator that they probably married outside of Tazewell County. I also checked our own marriage index and did not find an entry for John & Amelia there either. Hope this helps, Mike Dickson Webmaster Tazewell County Genealogical & Historical Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~iltcghs/ KPhill2906@aol.com wrote: > Hi! I am new to this list and wonder if anyone can help me. > > I looked George H. Pike age 33 on the 1850 Tazewell Co. Census (no twp > listed) with his wife Polly, 30, James 13, Amelia Ann, 9, George W. 6, Thomas > 5, Mary Jane 4, and Wm. F. 1. All born in Illinois. > > Amelia married John Maxwell Carttar/Carter abt. 1860, but I don't know where. > He was born in 1816, so he was quite a bit older. Would anyone have access > to locate a marriage record? I looked at IRAD and couldn't find anything. > > Her brother, George W., married John Carttar's daughter, Emma D. in 1863 in > Doniphan Co., KS. > > John and Amelia were in Sedgwick Co., KS in 1870. > > Any help on this family would be greatly appreciated! Hope to hear from > someone. > > Karen > > ==== ILTAZEWE Mailing List ==== > List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received > when you subscribed. Feel free to contact the list administrator, Cheryl Rothwell, LoganCty@mindspring.com.

I was thinking someone would pop up with the status of such things in Tazewell. If your great grandmother died in Piatt County you will need to know the status of death certificates in Piatt in 1886. State records do not begin until 1916 and county records vary widely from county to county. Cheryl Rothwell LoganCty@mindspring.com

To Cheryl or anyone who can direct me, I would like a copy of the death cert. of my gr. grandmother, Sarah (Hancock) Collins. She is buried in Piatt Co., and the archives sent me a copy of the cemetery which gives her date of death as Jan. 1886 but it doesn't give WHERE she died. She died quite young, I suspect in Child birth. Albert N. Collins, Sarah, his wife, and my grandmother were living in Tazewell Co. in 1880 (census), and according to a history of her father, had 2 children and was still living in Peking in 1883. Only 3 years later, she died but so far, I have been unable to find out where so that I can get a death certificate. She is my weakest link. If someone could direct me, I would be very grateful. I live in western Canada, and I can't run down to the archives to check it out. Thanks for any and all help. Ardath in Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Rothwell" <LoganCty@mindspring.com> To: <ILTAZEWE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:14 AM Subject: [ILTAZEWE] State Archives Research Request > Here's my experience with the state archives research free research > requests. There is a place where you can request research online and they > will mail you the response. You are limited to two requests. I wanted to see > how it worked. I asked for a name on the 1855 State Census that was tough, > lived on the township line, and one from the 1860 federal census that isn't > there. I put in my request on 12/4/00. Time passed. I forgot about it. > > Yesterday [3/24/01] I received a thick envelope. It contained a letter from > John Daly -- two pages and probably a waste of taxpayer money <g> for my > particular request as it explains how to get a certified copy, a copy of the > actual census pages for the 1850 federal and 1855 state census [as I > requested], a copy of the index pages for the surname I requested proving > that the other name I requested was NOT in the 1860 census. > > Bottom line: it is SLOW but it does work. And, perhaps if I had not tried to > be a little tricky it would have been a bit faster. > > http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/serv_sta.html > > > Cheryl Rothwell > LoganCty@mindspring.com > > > ==== ILTAZEWE Mailing List ==== > List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received > when you subscribed. Feel free to contact the list administrator, Cheryl Rothwell, LoganCty@mindspring.com. >

Hi! I am new to this list and wonder if anyone can help me. I looked George H. Pike age 33 on the 1850 Tazewell Co. Census (no twp listed) with his wife Polly, 30, James 13, Amelia Ann, 9, George W. 6, Thomas 5, Mary Jane 4, and Wm. F. 1. All born in Illinois. Amelia married John Maxwell Carttar/Carter abt. 1860, but I don't know where. He was born in 1816, so he was quite a bit older. Would anyone have access to locate a marriage record? I looked at IRAD and couldn't find anything. Her brother, George W., married John Carttar's daughter, Emma D. in 1863 in Doniphan Co., KS. John and Amelia were in Sedgwick Co., KS in 1870. Any help on this family would be greatly appreciated! Hope to hear from someone. Karen

Looks like three months may be the average based on our huge survey of two people. <GG> I suppose that is reasonable considering it is free and anyone with internet access can request it. Cheryl Rothwell LoganCty@mindspring.com

Here's my experience with the state archives research free research requests. There is a place where you can request research online and they will mail you the response. You are limited to two requests. I wanted to see how it worked. I asked for a name on the 1855 State Census that was tough, lived on the township line, and one from the 1860 federal census that isn't there. I put in my request on 12/4/00. Time passed. I forgot about it. Yesterday [3/24/01] I received a thick envelope. It contained a letter from John Daly -- two pages and probably a waste of taxpayer money <g> for my particular request as it explains how to get a certified copy, a copy of the actual census pages for the 1850 federal and 1855 state census [as I requested], a copy of the index pages for the surname I requested proving that the other name I requested was NOT in the 1860 census. Bottom line: it is SLOW but it does work. And, perhaps if I had not tried to be a little tricky it would have been a bit faster. http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/serv_sta.html Cheryl Rothwell LoganCty@mindspring.com

I too just got the information from the IL Archives after about a 3 month wait. :-) Carol in WI

A police historian has contacted the Tazewell County Genealogical & Historical Society looking for a photo of Henry P. Kounse. Mr. Kounse was an East Peoria police officer who was killed in the line of duty on February 10, 1931. He is also looking for any photos of an East Peoria police car or officer from the 1940's era. Please contact me if you know of any source for these photos. Thanks, Mike Dickson TCGHS Webmaster

There has been some email lately about scams. The following is excerpted from Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter and is copyright 2001 by Richard W. Eastman. It is re-published here with the permission of the author. Genealogy scams in general: Genealogical Web Site Watchdog (only for online scams) at: http://www.ancestordetective.com/watchdog.htm The National Genealogical Society's Consumer Protection Committee is quite active at keeping an eye on the various scams, including both online and offline fraudsters. If you have a question about a particular company's services, you can contact the NGS Consumer Protection Committee via traditional mail at: National Genealogical Society's Consumer Protection Committee, at 4527 17th Street North, Arlington, VA 22207- 2399. The committee also maintains Web pages at: http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/comconsumer.htm and at: http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/comconsumerpsst.htm. However, those pages do not mention specific companies. Cyndi's List has a section for genealogy myths, hoaxes and scams at: http://www.cyndislist.com/myths.htm Specific companies: I have received e-mail about the following companies; all have been mentioned as having questionable services. I have listed URLs where you can obtain further information: Family Discovery.com - an online Web site that claims to have "the Web's most versatile Award Winning collection of genealogical databases." However, they don't mention the "award" they received from the Better Business Bureau! The Bureau says, "Based on BBB files, this company has an unsatisfactory record with the Bureau due to unanswered complaint(s)." Family Discovery.com charges $59.99 for a one- year subscription. Most of the same information is available elsewhere on the Web at no charge. In fact, many of the links on FamilyDiscovery.com simply take you to free Web sites. You can obtain the same information at no cost by using one of the free search engines. Details are available on the Genealogical Web Site Watchdog site at: http://www.ancestordetective.com/watchdog.htm#Warning. There is an Anti-FamilyDiscovery.com newsletter at: http://compuright.dyndns.org/familydiscovery/ The xxx Family Yearbook - In this case, substitute your last name for the "xxx." For instance, an advertisement sent to a person named Smith would be advertising The Smith Family Yearbook while someone named Clark would receive an advertisement for The Clark Family Yearbook. These "yearbooks" claim to have genealogy information. However, those who purchase the "products" are usually disappointed. The producing company has several business names; for example, you can find them listed as Mountain West News Service or as the Mountain Pacific News Service. They also may appear as an organizational name, such as "The Smith Family Yearbook." However, all these "companies" have the same address: 1181 S. Parker Road, #105, Denver, CO 80231. The Better Business Bureau lists the parent company as MORPHCORP. The News Herald of Panama City, Florida has an article about these "products" at: http://www.newsherald.com/articles/2000/04/16/tp041600.htm Family Tree House - I wrote about this company in the October 31, 1998 edition of this newsletter. The company gives an appearance of a Web site that offers genealogy services. In fact, it does not appear to sell anything. However, the same company advertises on another Web site with an offer to sell personal information obtained from genealogists who visit the Family Tree House site. You innocently enter personal information about yourself on Family Tree House and then operators of the site sell your personal information to bulk mail companies. Information for sale includes name, address, e-mail address and more. You can read that article at: http://ancestordetective.com/watchdog.htm#sells The Historical Research Center (HRC) International, Inc. sells "family histories" and coats of arms. Information about the true value of these products can be found on the Genealogical Web Site Watchdog site at: http://www.ancestordetective.com/watchdog.htm#Coats. Keep in mind that this company sells franchises. A few years ago they were listed as one of the top 30 fastest growing franchises in America. You may find their products being sold by other companies who purchase franchises. One such company is Names.com, but apparently there are many others as well. The International Hall of Names in Canada also sells "family histories" and coats of arms. They are also mentioned on the Genealogical Web Site Watchdog site at: http://www.ancestordetective.com/watchdog.htm#Coats. I would caution anyone to be careful about "family coats of arms." In fact, in England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, and most of western Europe, there really is no such thing as a family coat of arms. In those countries, arms have always been awarded to individuals, not to families. Displaying a coat of arms that you are not authorized to use is a form of identity theft, even if you do happen to have the same last name as the original grantee. Any company offering to sell you a copy of "your family's coat of arms" is selling a bogus product. If you believe you have been the victim of a genealogy scam, you can do something about it! If you purchased products or services from the above companies or any others that you feel did not live up to advertised claims, demand a refund! If your money is not returned within 30 days or so from a U.S. company, submit a complaint to the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) Bureau of Consumer Protection at: https://rn.ftc.gov/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01. A few letters of inquiry from the federal government will send a strong message to the people who produce products or services of questionable value. If a Canadian company is involved, you can register a complaint at: http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/SSG/ct01250e.html. You also might want to warn other genealogists and tell them of your experiences. You can post a message to others in the "Scams and Fraud" section of CompuServe's Genealogy Techniques Forum message board. Go to: http://forums.compuserve.com/vlforums/default.asp?SRV=GenealogyForum&AREA=Ms gs&SEC=15&loc=us&access=public

Concerning Methodist ministers in Illiinois. I contacted the Methodist Archieves...I believe that was Bloominton. They checked their card file for the name I needed (Pearce T. Rhodes) and copied whatever info they had on the guy. The last info indicated he transferred to Kansas in 1870 and they suggested that Kansas Archieves might have more info. Try as I might...I never found the right phone number. The number Illinois gave me to contact Kansas was incorrect. So, I made a trip to Kansas to the location I found the guy in 1870 census listings and to another town where his adopted daughter had evidently lived according to a return address on a guardianship file we found in Illinois. At the latter location, a very kind Meth minister took it upon himself to contact their archieves and have whatever info there was sent to me. That file was very large. The minister was interested in any former Meth. pastor of the area who might have served their church. They had a listing of all ministers of the church, but all other records were lost in several fires. Our guy wasn't on the list...but that didn't mean he wasn't a member or part of the church in some capacity. He was known for being a circuit minister in Illinois and asked for the transfer to Kansas. He started quite a few colleges , often from his own money, though he raised funds also. I intend to contact the Emporia minister and thank him for his help and pass along copies of the info to him for their files. Since I have found that pastor Rhodes lived in the town of Emporia just a block or two from the church...it's very likely that his family attended the church itself. My sad note is that there is not one mention of his adopted daughter in all the records. She was the orphaned sister of my husband's great grandfather. I had hoped to learn more about her. We were fortunate to find her marriage record in Emporia (she married under the name Rhodes instead of Tupker) and thus learned she at least 3 children (1880 census) but can find no more about her for now....no probate records or burial records. Anyway...if you don't find a lot from the archieves in one state...don't give up...check the archieves of the states where they came from and where they transferred to. Each state doesn't keep a complete file...just the info on what the person did in their own state...and with possible a little info on where they were born or where they first ~heard the call~`. Julie Bissell Tupker

I used http://www.ccel.org/b/bangs/history_mec/HMEC_000.HTM but I note it only goes to 1840. Have you done a search on Methodist and ministers -- I think that's how I got to the above. I have several of them, all named Clark and all between 1820 and 1850. They were circuit ministers in central Illinois and the Illinois Great Rivers Conference in Bloomington has information. It seems to me there is a site which takes you to the main Methodist Church site and that tells you they do not have information on members [and why would they?] but they do have information on ministers. I believe it says to also to try the Conference. I had already found the Conference and gotten whatever they had. Cheryl Rothwell LoganCty@mindspring.com

Did your ancestors come through Ohio on the way to Illinois? If so this may be a treasure trove for you. The amount of information is unbelievable. Miami Valley Genealogical Index site at: http://tdn-net.com/genealogy/mvgi/mvgi-idx.htm#start Cheryl Rothwell LoganCty@mindspring.com

Cheryl, Do you know how far back in time this CD index goes? My husbands great grandfather was a ME minister in Philadelphia in the late 1850s. He then became a chaplain in the Union Army. I don't know if he preached after the war but he died in Gentry, MO in 1885 at age 78. His name was Benjamin T. Sewell. Dottie > Is there a Methodist minister in your family tree? You may be interested in > this new CD. . The database only contains > information up to the 1939 conference journals of the Methodist Episcopal > Church,

I recently responded to a message board post offering an old Grove family photo. According to the poster, the notation on the back of the photo says "H. J. Grove and Bros", and was taken in Colfax, McLean County, Illinois. Date is unknown. The poster suggested turn of the century to WWI, but I think it is older than that, judging by the dress. It does not appear to be my family, since I've found no connection to the Colfax area. If you think this might be your family, I can forward you a low-res .gif of the photo, and the poster's email. An excerpt from her message is below. If anyone is on the Tazwell County, Illinois list (where a number of Grove families settled), could you please forward a copy of this email to that list? I am not subscribed. Dan Steffen dlsteffn@elpaso.net El Paso, IL ************************************* Email excerpt: Hi Dan, The photo I have (low-res .gif attached) looks to be WW I vintage. The writing on the back says "H.J. Grove and bros." It was taken in Colfax, IL. I would really love to reunite it with its family. $5 covers what it cost me ($3.75) it plus postage, packaging, etc. So if you locate the right party, have them write me. This is an attractive cabinet card photo in nice condition! --Sue

A little bird said Family Search, the arm of the LDS Church which does online information, CDs and such, will have a 1880 census of the United States available on CD, with an index -- the whole country like they did for the British Isles as of 1881. Note the British census requires several CDs to cover the whole country and the US census would require even more but the prices are quite reasonable. They have been working on this for years, would not talk about any plans to do another year. Don't ask me -- I can't verify it but I understand your local FHC MAY know something. In the meantime you might want to check out the CDs already available at www.FamilySearch.org Cheryl Rothwell LoganCty@mindspring.com

Does anyone recognize this family: James GROVE b.1814 PA d. 23 May 1896 Alvo, Cass, NE m Nancy PRICE b. 1813 Virginia Children: 1. Dicie Hannah b. 1838 Columbus, Ohio m. George Elliot BAKER 2. John H. b. 1840 Champaign Co., OH 3. Polly C. b. 1842 Dayton, Montgomery Co.,OH, m. Jacob S. RYAN 4.Maria J. b. 1846 OH m. BAKER 5. James E. b. 1847 OH d. 6 Mar. 1930 Lincoln, Lancaster, Nebraska 6. Nancy Elisabeth b. 12 Mar. 1851, Mahaska Co., IA m. Gerard F. H. ROELOFSZ d. 18 Jan 1907 Elmwood, Cass, Nebraska (my line) 7. Elijah Jackson b. 1851 Iowa 8. Susan E. b. 1854, Iowa m. HILL 9. Margret C. b. 1856 Iowa m. HANSON James lived first in Pennsylvania then Champaign County, Illinois. Later on to Tazewell County, Illinois, near Peoria and to Ohio. Still not satisfied he moved his family west to Mahaska County, Iowa. Finally, in the spring of 1869 to Tipton Pct. Cass, Nebraska. Any help appreciated. Norma Winget Paul

I don't know if this is useful to anyone the full text of the first 20 chapters of "History of Vermilion County Vol I" by Lottie E. Jones, published in 1911, has been uploaded to: ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/il/vermilion/history1911/ Please note: I had major problems when I clicked on the link. When I cut and pasted it into my browser it was fine. I did note it had names I am familiar with in Central Illinois. Cheryl Rothwell LoganCty@mindspring.com