I would like to thank everyone who responded to my request for information about Dica Shipman on the 1930 Census. I was amazed at how fast the responses came in. The information filled a big gap in my research. Dean.......... deanandnell@intellex.com

Rosemont, Canteen Township, St. Clair County, IL 1222 North 48th Street Shipman, Dica, head of household, age 44, widow, married at 25, able to read and write, born in Arkansas, both parents born in Tennessee, no occupation Shipman, Maxine, niece, age 8, born in Illinois, father born in Illinois, mother born in Missouri At 07:58 PM 11/7/2004 -0600, Dean and Nell Duke wrote: >Does anyone have access to the 1930 census? My G-Aunt, Dica Shipman, >should be listed in St Clair County. There should be a child listed with >her. I am wanting to know what the relationship is between these two >people, since she supposedly never had a child of her own. Any help >appreciated. >Dean....... > > >deanandnell@intellex.com Carrie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ...Then they filled, with clear, shallow water, the whole breadth of this broad canal, and set little whirlpools turning in the depths, and for the first time mirrored the green banks and distant calls of birds -- while in the sky the starry nights of another, sweeter country blossomed above them and would never close. Tombs of the Hetaerae, by Rainier Maria Rilke Translation by Stephen Mitchell

Jerri Eoff Sudderth 1611 E. River Pkwy. Minneapolis, MN 55414 This is your Dica SHIPMAN, I think. Ed 82- 27 Sheet 13A Rosemont, Canteen Township (part) SHIPMAN, Dica, 44 SHIPMAN, Maxine, 8 FYI, you can find a excerpt transcription of the 1930 St. Clair Co. Census on line at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilstclai/1930a-z.htm Jerri Eoff Sudderth

Does anyone have access to the 1930 census? My G-Aunt, Dica Shipman, should be listed in St Clair County. There should be a child listed with her. I am wanting to know what the relationship is between these two people, since she supposedly never had a child of her own. Any help appreciated. Dean....... deanandnell@intellex.com

Diane and Donnell, Thanks so much for all the time and effort you put into making records available for others. I was in the library and courthouse in Belleville about 6 weeks ago and do so appreciate all you and your society have done. Thanks again, Joy Price ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Walsh" <rengen@compu-type.net> To: <ILSTCLAI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 4:24 PM Subject: [ILSTCLAI] Re: Hill, foster, Thrift, Strauss, etc.--Rider Cemetery > For those interested in tombstone transcriptions in this cemetery named > RIDER - one appeared (done in 1982) in SCCGS Quarterly vol 6:1 pp. 25-30, > and thee additional stones appeared vol. 7:4 pg 186. [although I didn't > see a Barton in the published inventory] Since these issues are out of > print, individual pages may be ordered using this form > http://www.compu-type.net/rengen/stclair/stcform.htm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Maestrowz@aol.com> > To: <ILSTCLAI-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 8:35 AM > Subject: [ILSTCLAI] Hill, foster, Thrift, Strauss, etc. > > >> Two months ago,...I took photos of stones at >> the cemetery ACROSS from Green Mount Cemetery. It is on private property >> and >> there are two actual burying grounds, one fenced, one not. >> >> I took photos of most of the stones in the unfenced portion and will send >> photos on-line to anyone who requests them: >> James Hill and Elizabeth Thrift >> Peter Hill and Elizabeth >> William Barton >> E. Wood >> Mary Hill >> Ella Hill >> William Hill and Emeline Phillips >> Emily Thrift >> Elizabeth Hill, wife of Wm McGuire >> Sarah Hill and William Rittenhouse >> James Foster >> Asah Hill >> Rebecca Foster >> Sarah Ellen Gooch >> Amy L., wife of J. Wilderman >> Andrew Jackson Hill >> Permelia Hill >> >> and in the fenced portion, I took only one photo (out of film) of the >> stone >> for Rabbi Leon Straus, Born 22 April 1825 in Hircheimbolander, >> Rheinbayern, >> Died 3 July 1895 in Chicago, Illinois. >> >> You may contact me at maestrowz@aol.com and be sure to put one of these >> names >> in the subject line. >> >> >> Donnell Redlingshafer Wisniewski >> >> > >

For those interested in tombstone transcriptions in this cemetery named RIDER - one appeared (done in 1982) in SCCGS Quarterly vol 6:1 pp. 25-30, and thee additional stones appeared vol. 7:4 pg 186. [although I didn't see a Barton in the published inventory] Since these issues are out of print, individual pages may be ordered using this form http://www.compu-type.net/rengen/stclair/stcform.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: <Maestrowz@aol.com> To: <ILSTCLAI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 8:35 AM Subject: [ILSTCLAI] Hill, foster, Thrift, Strauss, etc. > Two months ago,...I took photos of stones at > the cemetery ACROSS from Green Mount Cemetery. It is on private property > and > there are two actual burying grounds, one fenced, one not. > > I took photos of most of the stones in the unfenced portion and will send > photos on-line to anyone who requests them: > James Hill and Elizabeth Thrift > Peter Hill and Elizabeth > William Barton > E. Wood > Mary Hill > Ella Hill > William Hill and Emeline Phillips > Emily Thrift > Elizabeth Hill, wife of Wm McGuire > Sarah Hill and William Rittenhouse > James Foster > Asah Hill > Rebecca Foster > Sarah Ellen Gooch > Amy L., wife of J. Wilderman > Andrew Jackson Hill > Permelia Hill > > and in the fenced portion, I took only one photo (out of film) of the > stone > for Rabbi Leon Straus, Born 22 April 1825 in Hircheimbolander, > Rheinbayern, > Died 3 July 1895 in Chicago, Illinois. > > You may contact me at maestrowz@aol.com and be sure to put one of these > names > in the subject line. > > > Donnell Redlingshafer Wisniewski > >

You might also try the Clinton County Web page at: Clinton County Illinois Genealogy and Family History Research www.rootsweb.com/~ilclint2/ There are two obits that mention Heidenreich. Gloria

Hello! I've just subscribed to the list, and it was suggested that my first posting should state what names I'm researching in St. Clair County, by way of introduction. My line begins in America with the following family, who arrived in the US at the port of Philadelphia on the Brig George Delius on June 11, 1847: Heinrich Gottlieb Heidenreich, b. 26 Apr 1795 in Huellhorst, Westphalen, Preussen Anne Marie Charlotte Kottkamp, b. 08 Aug 1792 in Huellhorst, Westphalen, Preussen Children who came with them: Caspar Heinrich, b. 09 Feb 1820 Anne Marie Louis Charlotte, b. 21 Jul 1828 Anna Katherine Marie Sophie, b. 03 May 1831 Their son, Christian Friederich, b. 30 Nov 1825, arrived at the port of New Orleans on the ship Rebecca on November 16, 1849 - he was a soldier and needed to obtain release from service Their married daughter, Anne Marie, b. 13 Jan 1819, her husband, Christian Friederich Heinrich Knefelkamp (or Knebelkamp), b. 1816 in Behrendorf, Prussia, and children arrived later (date and place unknown, birthdates of the children unknown) Caspar, known as "Henry," married (16 Apr 1852) the widow Christine Rutter (or Rueter or Roeder) Miers, b. 12 Aug 1812 Anne Marie married (17 Mar 1849) Heinrich Linne. b. [date unknown] in Reifenhausen Hannover Anna Katherine married (20 Aug 1851) Gottlieb Rieso, b. 07 Feb 1826 in Buende Herford Minden, Prussia Henry and his wife, and children Caspar and Anne Marie, all settled near Centreville, IL Anna Katherine and husband Gottlieb Rieso, settled in Smithton, IL Related names are: Becker Beichert DeMange Fuhs Grahmann Hoffmann Keck Mueller Obernagel Poeggemueller Would love to correspond with anyone else researching these lines. I was able to connect my Heidenreich line back to 1682 by way of the internet, and am corresponding with a very long-lost cousin whose ancestor was brother to my first American ancestor. Carrie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ...Then they filled, with clear, shallow water, the whole breadth of this broad canal, and set little whirlpools turning in the depths, and for the first time mirrored the green banks and distant calls of birds -- while in the sky the starry nights of another, sweeter country blossomed above them and would never close. Tombs of the Hetaerae, by Rainier Maria Rilke Translation by Stephen Mitchell

Two months ago, before I came down with the flu, I took photos of stones at the cemetery ACROSS from Green Mount Cemetery. It is on private property and there are two actual burying grounds, one fenced, one not. I took photos of most of the stones in the unfenced portion and will send photos on-line to anyone who requests them: James Hill and Elizabeth Thrift Peter Hill and Elizabeth William Barton E. Wood Mary Hill Ella Hill William Hill and Emeline Phillips Emily Thrift Elizabeth Hill, wife of Wm McGuire Sarah Hill and William Rittenhouse James Foster Asah Hill Rebecca Foster Sarah Ellen Gooch Amy L., wife of J. Wilderman Andrew Jackson Hill Permelia Hill and in the fenced portion, I took only one photo (out of film) of the stone for Rabbi Leon Straus, Born 22 April 1825 in Hircheimbolander, Rheinbayern, Died 3 July 1895 in Chicago, Illinois. You may contact me at maestrowz@aol.com and be sure to put one of these names in the subject line. Donnell Redlingshafer Wisniewski

A nice place to post photos is the Virtual Cemetery http://www.genealogy.com/genealogy/VG/vcem_search.html I have posted many, for example enter the last name of Poirot, nothing else, then click SEARCH and you will see a list of my Poirot ancestors, just click on a name and you will get the photo. Rosie Fallbrook, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <Maestrowz@aol.com> To: <ILSTCLAI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 6:35 AM Subject: [ILSTCLAI] Hill, foster, Thrift, Strauss, etc. > Two months ago, before I came down with the flu, I took photos of stones > at > the cemetery ACROSS from Green Mount Cemetery. It is on private property > and > there are two actual burying grounds, one fenced, one not. > > I took photos of most of the stones in the unfenced portion and will send > photos on-line to anyone who requests them: > James Hill and Elizabeth Thrift > Peter Hill and Elizabeth > William Barton > E. Wood > Mary Hill > Ella Hill > William Hill and Emeline Phillips > Emily Thrift > Elizabeth Hill, wife of Wm McGuire > Sarah Hill and William Rittenhouse > James Foster > Asah Hill > Rebecca Foster > Sarah Ellen Gooch > Amy L., wife of J. Wilderman > Andrew Jackson Hill > Permelia Hill > > and in the fenced portion, I took only one photo (out of film) of the > stone > for Rabbi Leon Straus, Born 22 April 1825 in Hircheimbolander, > Rheinbayern, > Died 3 July 1895 in Chicago, Illinois. > > You may contact me at maestrowz@aol.com and be sure to put one of these > names > in the subject line. > > > Donnell Redlingshafer Wisniewski > >

Thank you to all the wonderful list subscribers who offered help in seeing that a "proud mommy" had a clipping from the Sunday news mag. I have found someone willing to mail me her copy. I had tried to retrieve the article from the BND website and hadn't been successful in using their search engine. Regards, Karen Nelson Hangsleben, TX

Have you tried their on line site, they let you search over the past 7 days http://www.belleville.com/mld/newsdemocrat/ Art ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Hangsleben" <phangsleben@ghg.net> To: <ILSTCLAI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:18 PM Subject: [ILSTCLAI] Belleville News Democrat Magazine Section 10/24/04 - copy needed > > Just learned that my daughter was quoted in the magazine section of the > Belleville News Democrat for this past Sunday 10/24/04. If anyone has a > copy > of this paper, I would appreciate hearing from you and arranging to get a > copy for myself. She'd appeared in an article earlier in the week > regarding > AmeriCorps' 10th anniv. in Belleville. > > Thanks for your help - Karen Nelson Hangsleben > >

Just learned that my daughter was quoted in the magazine section of the Belleville News Democrat for this past Sunday 10/24/04. If anyone has a copy of this paper, I would appreciate hearing from you and arranging to get a copy for myself. She'd appeared in an article earlier in the week regarding AmeriCorps' 10th anniv. in Belleville. Thanks for your help - Karen Nelson Hangsleben

Hi Everyone, Kathy Smith from St. Louis Public Library. I would like to invite you to a free genealogy class that we are offering. The class is "Making Sense of the Census: Finding Your Ancestors in Census Reports". We will be joined by special guest Dennis Northcott of the Missouri Historical Society, who will be sharing his expertise on a variety of non-Federal censuses. If you've ever had a question about census, now is the time to ask! The program is scheduled for Saturday, Nov. 13, from 10AM to Noon at Central Library, 1301 Olive Street, St. Louis. The program is free and open to the public; you do not need to be a city resident or have a St. Louis Public Library card to attend. Parking is free. Registration is strongly suggested. Please call (314)539-0385 or email me at mailto:ksmith@slpl.lib.mo.us for further information or registration. Hope to see you there! Sincerely, Kathleen J. Smith Librarian History & Genealogy

F.Y.I.- If anyone is needing a death certificate (issued ANYWHERE in Illinois from 1916-1947), I can obtain them through the IL State Archives' holdings in Springfield (where I live & research); my fee is $3.50 per death cert 1916-1947. I do not have access to any pre-1916 St. Clair Co vital records (birth, death, marriage). molly Molly Kennedy P O Box 5785 Springfield, IL 62705 www.mollx.com Genealogy - Confusing the dead, and annoying the living. >From: "Diane Walsh" <rengen@compu-type.net> >To: ILSTCLAI-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ILSTCLAI] vital records fees >Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:31:47 -0500 > >Folks, >Apparently there has been a change in the fee for birth, marriage and death >records at the courthouse. See the county clerk web site at >http://www.stclaircountyclerk.com/vitalrecords.asp > >The St. Clair county clerk's office only issues certified records (some >other counties issue uncertified records). Birth certificates are available >if the person is deceased, provided the birth occurred more than 75 years >ago; and for deaths more than 20 years ago. >Birth and marriage: $11.85 >death: $13.85 >personal checks are *not* permitted by mail (use money order or certified >bank check) >

Folks, Apparently there has been a change in the fee for birth, marriage and death records at the courthouse. See the county clerk web site at http://www.stclaircountyclerk.com/vitalrecords.asp The St. Clair county clerk's office only issues certified records (some other counties issue uncertified records). Birth certificates are available if the person is deceased, provided the birth occurred more than 75 years ago; and for deaths more than 20 years ago. Birth and marriage: $11.85 death: $13.85 personal checks are *not* permitted by mail (use money order or certified bank check)

I'm researching the Hatcher line. In particular at this time I'm looking for the grave of Theodosius Hatcher (b abt 1908 d June 27, 1931). She was born I believe in Dupo, St Clair Co., IL and died in Sangamon Co., IL. Her maiden name was Barber. From my 1st cousin I got this when I asked him the location of his grandmother's grave. We went to Dupo when I was about 12 and went to my grandma's grave. It was a small rural cemetery in very bad condition. An old man was trying to keep it from being overgrown with weeds and brush (and losing the battle) and he mentioned that after heavy rains he would pick up bones at the bottom of the hill and re-bury them. Some old-timers in Dupo might know something about the cemetery, but I doubt that it is still there. Given my cousins birth, he visited the site about 1961. It's not much to go on I realize but does anyone recognize the name or know perhaps where this cemetery is located? Anything will help; I've found a lot on the Hatcher side but as yet have no further info on the Barber's Thanks Mike

I am looking for information on the AMLUNG family of Belleville . My great grandmother Was Fredericka Amlung Pees . Her father was Jacob and he came from Rockenhausen Germany . I have found the family on the 1860 census . ON the 1880 census Jacob was living with a daughter . Any Information would be appreciated . Sonny Eardley

This is to advise that this is the second time I have received this message. Bill Hundelt

I am looking for someone who died while living in Belleville, Ill. St. Clair Co. His name was William Roosevelt Watson. He was born as Clarence William Watson on July 28, 1917 in New Haven Township, Gallatin County, Ill. He had his name legally change to William Roosevelt Watson on March 17, 1942. The change was signed for by his aunt, Esther Lewis. Esther was a sister to Dessie Alma Drake-Watson...who married John Willis Watson. Bill married a Jenny Hemme and they lived in Belleville, Ill. Bill use to drive a diesel for a living. Approximately in 1981 or close to that date, he was driving somewhere around Belleville, when a tire blew on the truck and he crossed the median and ended up hitting a car head on. The car had a family in it, and the collision caused a fiery explosion, killing all involved. I would like to find where Bill is buried. He is most likely buried in a Catholic cemetery, but I don't know exactly where. I do know he is supposedly buried in Belleville, Ill. St. Clair Co. I am trying to find a newspaper article about the crash. I know it made the newspaper(s) and probably the Belleville News Democrat or E.St. Louis Journal (?). Unfortunately no one that I know kept a copy or copies of the crash article or Bill's obituary. This may be a duplicate or triplicate because I keep getting messages that this e-mail is not being received by the subscribers to the St. Clair Co., Ill. web site. James (James Turner Harris) chinahilltop@charter.net