Where in MO did your Leach family end up? I've done a little work on a Leach family in Cape Girardeau County and Carter County, MO. Linda Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynnette Brashear" <cwnut30025@yahoo.com> To: <ILSTCLAI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:09 AM Subject: [ILSTCLAI] James W Leach - Elizabeth Anderson and Families > I am looking for information on my ggg-grandparents. Some research I have come across indicates they were married in St Clair county on 24 Dec 1846. Census records show Elizabeth, d/o Samuel Anderson and Sarah Stookey, was born in St Clair Co., Illinois and James in Tennessee. > > I am looking for any information on this family but have found many Leaches in the surrounding area and have not been able to identify them. Does anyone have any information on when James arrived in the St Clair area, when and where he married, and when he moved to Missouri. According to family records Elizabeth and three sons, Lyman, Sylvanus, and Augustus were born in Illinois also. Any information on occupations or land ownership would also be greatly appreciated. > > I also am looking for information on Elizabeth's father Samuel Anderson and his wife Sarah Stookey/Stuckey. Any help here is also greatrly appreciated. I will be glad to share whatever info I have on these families but most of it is unsubstantiated as I picked up most of it before I found the importance of keeping citations. > > Jeff Leach > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail for Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > > >

My gr,gr grandfather was John Rickert who married Margaretha ??, John was born in 1834 in Wurtenberg, Germany and was a coalminer in St. Clair County Margaretha was born in 1843 in Baden, Germany. I am looking for her maiden name and marriage date which was possibly 1859 or 1860 and also when they may have immigrated over. Any help is appreciated. Thanks. Patti

I am looking for information on my ggg-grandparents. Some research I have come across indicates they were married in St Clair county on 24 Dec 1846. Census records show Elizabeth, d/o Samuel Anderson and Sarah Stookey, was born in St Clair Co., Illinois and James in Tennessee. I am looking for any information on this family but have found many Leaches in the surrounding area and have not been able to identify them. Does anyone have any information on when James arrived in the St Clair area, when and where he married, and when he moved to Missouri. According to family records Elizabeth and three sons, Lyman, Sylvanus, and Augustus were born in Illinois also. Any information on occupations or land ownership would also be greatly appreciated. I also am looking for information on Elizabeth's father Samuel Anderson and his wife Sarah Stookey/Stuckey. Any help here is also greatrly appreciated. I will be glad to share whatever info I have on these families but most of it is unsubstantiated as I picked up most of it before I found the importance of keeping citations. Jeff Leach --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.

I am looking for information on my great great aunt, Louisa Haeussler. Her maiden name could have been spelled several ways (Heisler, Haisler, Housler). Some time before 1869, she married Arthur Korr (or Carr) at St. James Catholic Church in Millstadt. The church records list a child born to them named Alois Johann Korr in June 1869. Any information would be appreciated. Pat

Tom, nice reply, and quite correct. I had four g grandfathers serve in the Civil War and I have numerous awards and medals that they received. One award received from the state of Maine states IN RECOGNITION OF YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO THE PRESERVATION OF THE UNION. No where does any award state anything about freeing the slaves. However when I studied American history in Massachusetts they emphasized it was a war to free the slaves. My theory on this is that after the war when historians looked at the horrendous death toll and the complete destruction of the south the war could not be justified by saying it was done to preserve the union, but it could be justified if we were to say it was fought to free an enslaved people. In any event our conscience was catching up with us and with or without the war slavery would have soon been abolished. Brazil had the largest slave population and those slaves were freed without going to war. Herbert A Rideout Fallbrook, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <PEAR1236@cs.com> To: <ILSTCLAI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 5:17 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [ILSTCLAI] German immigrants in the Civil War > Lynn, > > Only one in ten Union soldiers enlisted because of a strong desire to see > the > slaves freed. Most of them if asked would have said that they were > fighting > to preserve the Union. Some of them at least thought about deserting > after > Lincoln issued his Preliminary Emancipation Proclamation- they didn't care > to > risk their lives in a crusade to free the slaves. Some of them changed > their > minds after actually seeing conditions in the South, but initially few > would > have fought to free the slaves. The ironic thing in light of your question > is > that German-Americans were more, not less likely than native-born > Americans to > feel an obligation to help fight to free the slaves. Many > German-Americans were > ex-revolutionaries who had fled Germany after their own bid to win their > freedom from German princes had failed in 1848-1849. > > An individual's attitude about slavery wasn't the point, however. There > was > a draft on both sides during the Civil War, and men were indeed compelled > to > serve. While there was prejudice against German-Americans in the ranks, > and > some Union soldiers could in fact speak no English, requiring American > citizens > or those who had begun the naturalization process to serve in the army was > not > a prejudicial action, not when every man was subject to the draft. It's > true > certainly that wealthy men could buy their way out of serving by the > substitution or commutation processes, but poor men whether American or > foreign-born > could still have been compelled to serve. Family men, too, could be > compelled > to serve- able-bodied men 18-45 years of age were subject to the draft in > the > North- by the end of war, it was able-bodied men 17-50 in the South. > > I suppose it's possible that Ludwig was allowed to avoid service- although > I > have found that "family stories" need to be verified with documentation, > as > they aren't always true. The authorities may have decided because of his > reactions to the induction process that he was not fit mentally to serve > in the > army. But the real point is that they could have compelled him to serve- > and > jailed or even shot him for refusing to do so. > > Tom > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <HTHS57@aol.com> >> To: <ILSTCLAI-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 11:08 AM >> Subject: [ILSTCLAI] German immigrants in the Civil War >> >> >> We have a family story about our immigrant ancestor, Ludwig Louis Engel >> who came to St Clair county as a teenager by himself before 1850. He was >> born >> in 1833 and his parents had both died when he was six. He married >> happily >> in >> 1855 and had several children by the time of the Civil War. The story is >> that >> he was literally taken from his family and ordered to fight. He cried >> so >> long and hard, he was dismissed and sent home by foot. >> >> Are their any other such stories? Was this a sign of prejudice by those >> born in America? He would not have been interested in the issue of >> slavery >> whatsoever. It would have been years before his politcal interests took >> hold. Before 1860 his father-in-law had suffered through some illegal >> actions >> against the property he owned. >> >> Are these things part of a pattern? There were so many soldiers from St >> Clair County. Was there a local dynamic against those who did not and >> would not serve. A thirty year old father from German would not have >> wanted >> to >> leave his family unless they were in danger directly and physically. How >> good was >> his English at that point? Did he even have interactions with English >> speaking >> people at that time? Did he care whether the South seceded? Did his >> friends >> and neighbors care? >> >> Thanks so much for any thoughts or data about this slant. >> Lynn Phifer > >

Lynn, Only one in ten Union soldiers enlisted because of a strong desire to see the slaves freed. Most of them if asked would have said that they were fighting to preserve the Union. Some of them at least thought about deserting after Lincoln issued his Preliminary Emancipation Proclamation- they didn't care to risk their lives in a crusade to free the slaves. Some of them changed their minds after actually seeing conditions in the South, but initially few would have fought to free the slaves. The ironic thing in light of your question is that German-Americans were more, not less likely than native-born Americans to feel an obligation to help fight to free the slaves. Many German-Americans were ex-revolutionaries who had fled Germany after their own bid to win their freedom from German princes had failed in 1848-1849. An individual's attitude about slavery wasn't the point, however. There was a draft on both sides during the Civil War, and men were indeed compelled to serve. While there was prejudice against German-Americans in the ranks, and some Union soldiers could in fact speak no English, requiring American citizens or those who had begun the naturalization process to serve in the army was not a prejudicial action, not when every man was subject to the draft. It's true certainly that wealthy men could buy their way out of serving by the substitution or commutation processes, but poor men whether American or foreign-born could still have been compelled to serve. Family men, too, could be compelled to serve- able-bodied men 18-45 years of age were subject to the draft in the North- by the end of war, it was able-bodied men 17-50 in the South. I suppose it's possible that Ludwig was allowed to avoid service- although I have found that "family stories" need to be verified with documentation, as they aren't always true. The authorities may have decided because of his reactions to the induction process that he was not fit mentally to serve in the army. But the real point is that they could have compelled him to serve- and jailed or even shot him for refusing to do so. Tom > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <HTHS57@aol.com> > To: <ILSTCLAI-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 11:08 AM > Subject: [ILSTCLAI] German immigrants in the Civil War > > > We have a family story about our immigrant ancestor, Ludwig Louis Engel > who came to St Clair county as a teenager by himself before 1850. He was > born > in 1833 and his parents had both died when he was six. He married happily > in > 1855 and had several children by the time of the Civil War. The story is > that > he was literally taken from his family and ordered to fight. He cried so > long and hard, he was dismissed and sent home by foot. > > Are their any other such stories? Was this a sign of prejudice by those > born in America? He would not have been interested in the issue of slavery > whatsoever. It would have been years before his politcal interests took > hold. Before 1860 his father-in-law had suffered through some illegal > actions > against the property he owned. > > Are these things part of a pattern? There were so many soldiers from St > Clair County. Was there a local dynamic against those who did not and > would not serve. A thirty year old father from German would not have wanted > to > leave his family unless they were in danger directly and physically. How > good was > his English at that point? Did he even have interactions with English > speaking > people at that time? Did he care whether the South seceded? Did his > friends > and neighbors care? > > Thanks so much for any thoughts or data about this slant. > Lynn Phifer

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My ancestor is the OEHLER family. One of the sons, John, married Mary BECK daughter of Friedrich & Louise (EICHHORN) BECK. Friedrich & Louise lived 1880 in Lenzburg & they had 14 children. Friedrich & Louise are still living in Lenzburg in 1910. I believe they died sometime between the 1910 & 1920, along with Fred Jr. Sons Charles & Henry & Fred Jrs. wife are living in Lenzburg 1920. I would like to get in touch with some of the living descendents. I have a cem. directory for New Athens but I can't locate it right now. John & Mary OEHLER are buried there, & some of the BECKS may be buried there also. If possible could someone give me death dates for some of these BECKS, so I could locate an obit, that might give me information on descendents? I tried to find BECKS in the online telephone directory for Lenzburg but none were listed. Thanks for any help that I might receive. ...Gerry

There are some folks from Minden area of Prussia (Germany) with the name Boesche (can remove the "e" and put umlaut over the "o") who might have immigrated to Washington Co. area. Also think about how the name would be pronounced in English; i.e., Bersche. I think we have a Bersche family in Monroe Co. Cynthia in California

When I was growing up in Nashville, Washington Co., IL there was a couple of families with a name similar to the one you're researching -- they spelled it Boeschen. You might want to check in that county to see if any names might be familiar. Jo House ----- Original Message ----- From: <ILSTCLAI-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <ILSTCLAI-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 10:00 AM Subject: ILSTCLAI-D Digest V05 #92

We have a family story about our immigrant ancestor, Ludwig Louis Engel who came to St Clair county as a teenager by himself before 1850. He was born in 1833 and his parents had both died when he was six. He married happily in 1855 and had several children by the time of the Civil War. The story is that he was literally taken from his family and ordered to fight. He cried so long and hard, he was dismissed and sent home by foot. Are their any other such stories? Was this a sign of prejudice by those born in America? He would not have been interested in the issue of slavery whatsoever. It would have been years before his politcal interests took hold. Before 1860 his father-in-law had suffered through some illegal actions against the property he owned. Are these things part of a pattern? There were so many soldiers from St Clair County. Was there a local dynamic against those who did not and would not serve. A thirty year old father from German would not have wanted to leave his family unless they were in danger directly and physically. How good was his English at that point? Did he even have interactions with English speaking people at that time? Did he care whether the South seceded? Did his friends and neighbors care? Thanks so much for any thoughts or data about this slant. Lynn Phifer

Hello my name is Samantha Blackwell and I've been looking for my gggrandmother Christine Silas for 5 years now. I happened to be on the LDS family history site and came across a Christine Silas who lived in St. Clair. She was married to a Samuel or Sampson Combs from kentucky all this was on there site. It just happens that my Christine was married to a Samuel Combs so I don't think this is coincidence. Can anyone give me some information? If so it would be great. Thanks. Samantha Blackwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Here--I forwarded it for you! ----------------- SORRY - should have done a reply all. -------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "jneely" <jneely@cox.net> To: "dorac" <dorac@comcast.net> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [ILSTCLAI] Surname Bueschen > If the people that died in Belleville are your ancestors - they might have > had an obituary in the newspaper that you can obtain a copy from the > microfiche. It would list relatives. I was there last week for a high > school reunion and got to see/print my mom's wedding picture and > announcement from November 1939 in the DA paper. > jane from Oklahoma. >

To whome it may concern my name is Gerold Bueschen from Germany, I am looking for my families history. Some of my ancestors went to the USA at the late 19th century. At the US census 1930 I have found Henry and Bertha Bueschen with their son Herbert, they lived in Belleville City, 2nd Ward, Belleville Township. Does anyone know something about them or their ancestors? I would be glad to hear about it. Thank you very much Kind regards Gerold Bueschen

Hello, I was able to find Henry in 1910 living in East St. Louis, Precinct 4, Ward 4, St. Clair Co., IL. He was 19 and working as a laborer in the Iron Company. He boarded at a home at 1431 East Broadway. (Does Henry have a brother? There is a William-21 and his family living in Mt Olive, IL as a Coal Miner, and again in 1920 there is an Otto-32 listed with his wife Elsie-24. He is also a Coal Miner) In 1920 I see they live in Belleville City, St. Clair Co., IL in Precinct 2, Ward 5. It lists them living 407 W. Washington St. Henry W. Bueschen is age 29, married, listed born in Illinois with foreign parentage, and he is a Coal Miner. Bertha M., is his wife, age 28, married, born in Illinois with parents also from Illinois. They have a child Henry H. age 7, born in Illinois Bertha who must be his wife was born Jan 23, 1891 and died in Nov 1975 in Belleville, IL according to the Social Security Death Index. Also listed is a Herbert Bueschen born Sept 24, 1912 and died in October 1971 if he is the right person. I do not know if this is a help. Good Luck dc ----- Original Message ----- From: <G.Bueschen@technico.de> To: <ILSTCLAI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 3:28 PM Subject: [ILSTCLAI] Surname Bueschen > To whome it may concern > > my name is Gerold Bueschen from Germany, I am looking for my families > history. Some of my ancestors went to the USA at the late 19th century. At > the US census 1930 I have found Henry and Bertha Bueschen with their son > Herbert, they lived in Belleville City, 2nd Ward, Belleville Township. > Does anyone know something about them or their ancestors? I would be glad > to hear about it. > > Thank you very much > > Kind regards > > Gerold Bueschen

Audie, Suggest you check with KM Press, Inc. in Belleville. They do our Genealogical Society publications and our newsletter. If you talk to Debbie tell her I told you about them, maybe she will give you a good price. Their prices are very reasonable to us. They are located on Jackson St. in the basement of the old Carroll House building. That's across the street to the east from the Belleville Public Library. The entrance is on Jackson St. Martha Mae Schmidt -- From: ILSTCLAI-D-request@rootsweb.com Reply-To: ILSTCLAI-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:00:24 -0600 To: ILSTCLAI-D@rootsweb.com Subject: ILSTCLAI-D Digest V05 #90 ILSTCLAI-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 90 Today's Topics: #1 Book publishing ["Andie's" <weymouth@egyptian.net>] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from ILSTCLAI-D, send a message to ILSTCLAI-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________ From: "Andie's" <weymouth@egyptian.net> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 19:26:06 -0500 To: ILSTCLAI-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Book publishing Does anyone know of anywhere locally to go and get a family history book printed? Nothing fancy, just a book from Family Tree Maker printouts and pictures to share with family. If anyone has any recommendations, they would be appreciated. Thank you, Andrea Crowley Weymouth weymouth@egyptian.net

Does anyone know of anywhere locally to go and get a family history book printed? Nothing fancy, just a book from Family Tree Maker printouts and pictures to share with family. If anyone has any recommendations, they would be appreciated. Thank you, Andrea Crowley Weymouth weymouth@egyptian.net

> Please join us for "First Steps for Finding Your Roots", a beginning > genealogy class designed for African-American families. > > The class will be on Saturday, July 16, from 11AM to Noon, at the Walnut > Park Branch of St. Louis Public Library. The address there is 5760 W. > Florissant. > > The program is free and open to the public, and parking is free. > Registration is not required. > > Please call Walnut Park branch staff at (314) 383-1533 for further > information. > > Sincerely, > > Kathy Smith > Librarian > History & Genealogy

List, The web page on Soldiers' Memorial, East St. Louis has been updated to include research on each of the WWI men named on the memorial http://www.compu-type.net/rengen/stclair/WWImem.htm

Roll Call William ATCHISON, Sr. died about 1823 in St. Clair Co., IL. possible wives - Dedderie/Dedra born about 1781 and married about 1802 probably St. Clair Co., IL. (family tradition) or Therese LAPERCHE m. 20 July 1804 to a William ATCHISON or Marguerite ROY m. 23 Apr 1810 to a William ATCHISON [if the above "ladies" all married the same William ATCHISON, I wonder which one was the mother of which of the following children?] The children - William ATCHISON, Jr. m. Martha "Patsey" CRAIN Sep 1832 in St. Clair Co., IL. Jane ATCHISON m. Bine/Bene PELLUM/PELHAM Nov 1833 in St. Clair Co., IL. Elizabeth ATCHISON m. George WADDELL May 1834 in St. Clair Co., IL. John ATCHISON d. about 1838 in St. Clair Co., IL. *** Matthew G. ATCHISON *** [ancestor of Kay (Williams) Chestnut] mother of his children - Lucretia J. BARCLAY [or BARKLEY] m. Dec 1837 in Washington Co., IL. 2nd wife - Jane HARRISON (she probably had family/relatives in St. Clair Co., IL.) Matthew G. d. Nov 1865 in Washington Co., IL. Peter ATCHISON b. Aug 1819 m. Martha BARKLEY May 1842 in St. Clair Co., IL. Lucretia & Martha are surely sisters, and there were other sisters, also. Kay Chestnut