In a message dated 11/12/2005 7:48:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, bobbiev@swbell.net writes: I had to follow several steps to be able to email these people as they had a program that would not allow anyone who was not approved to email them. I guess I am dense, but I wondered why they did not add me to their approved list when they emailed me in the first place. I agree and what happens when someone who is researching one of their surnames tries to contact them. They can't...which seems to defeat the whole purpose of them listing their surnames in the the first place! Bob Buecher Bob's Belleville families: Christoph ACKER (1807-1876); Philip ACKER (1841-1914); JACOBI family; Charles SCHUCHMANN (1809-1896); Henry WEISSENBORN (1815-1878); Johann Martin WEISSENBORN (1791-1859); Christian WEISSENBORN (1863-1937) Bob's Millstadt (area) families: BALTZ family; Heinrich BUECHER (1820-1893); George HAMMEL (1802-1863); Johann Philipp LEPERE (1785-1872); George METZGER (1827-1906); Johann Wilhelm MUELLER (1776-1840); Peter STRAUSS (1822-1897); Peter VOGT (1800-1880); Anthony WAGNER (1784-1851); Johann Nicolaus WAGNER (1795-1838); Michael WAGNER (1820-1869); Johann Ludwig WETTEROTH (1777-1842)

And, 1. another resource is to author a query (question) for the St Clair Gen Web Project page - instructions here http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilstclai/queries.htm Remember the who, what, when (at least an approx year), the 'where' is assumed to be in St. Clair County. (and see samples on the Jan 2004 - Dec 2006 link) 2. if you would like to share family information with others on a particular St. Clair County family, you may send a list of surnames * you are actively working on* to the coordinator for posting here with your email address. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilstclai/surname.htm Just as Bobbie pointed out, you will only get replies if your email is set up to let them through, so if you have automatic blocks, you have to 'allow' email with certain Subject lines or whatever so the response gets through. An alternative is to set up a free web based email account like one at www.yahoo.com for anything where your email address would appear on a web page. You just have to be sure to check it periodically. Diane

21 authors, municipalities and Genealogy and History societies from around the Greater St. Louis area (MO and IL) will be offering their publications at the Book Jamboree sponsored by the St. Louis Genealogical Society. Authors of books covering St. Louis area history and genealogy methods will be present to autograph their publications. This will be a great time to not only easily purchase helpful indexes and other books offered by area societies but will be a time to network and build helpful research connections. This exciting event will be held on Sunday December 4 from 1:00 to 4:00 at the St. Louis Genealogical Society offices, 4 Sunnen Drive [Sunnen Business Park, near Big Bend, south of Manchester Road], Suite 140. For more info: www.stlgs.org

Could you tell me how to find all churches in St. Clair County that were present from 1848 to 1858. I also would like the towns they were in. Berlin greatgreataunt@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

It is http://home.swbell.net/bobbiev/page2.html. Drpp down about half way and there is a link to the St Clair County Researcher's pages. I need your surnames as well as an alternate means of contact for you, i.e. another email address, a phone number, etc. Bobbie On 12 Nov 2005 at 20:48, rdowney14 wrote: > Bobbie, > > For those of us who don't know, what is the address of your web page? > > Roger Downey > Glendale, Arizona >

I maintain a webpage for people who are researching in St. Clair County. Recently, I have received requests from 3 different people to list their surnames on my pages. I did so and then emailed them to let them know I had done as they asked and to verify that I had entered their information correctly. In all 3 cases, I got an email, which ended up in my SBC junk mail folder, that said I had to follow several steps to be able to email these people as they had a program that would not allow anyone who was not approved to email them. I guess I am dense, but I wondered why they did not add me to their approved list when they emailed me in the first place. Did they think I would not have call to email them back? Just a thought to all of you who have a setup like the one above, please, when you email someone, expect that you might get a response and add them to your approved list. Why should they have to prove they are worthy of emailing you? I have had my say, I will not step off my soapbox. Bobbie

If what you need *has* to be a death *certificate, * and *if* the death is 1916 through 1947, the Illinois State Gen Soc offers a service for a little less depending if you are a member or not http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilsgs/projects/deathcerts.html 2. you can either copy them yourself for the cost of the copy on site at the Illinois State Archives (1916through 1947 only). 3.The Ill Dept of Public Health also has death certificates 1916 and later - non-certified copies are $10 (be sure to specify you want a photocopy of the actual certificate - I've seen cases from other states that abstract some info http://www.idph.state.il.us/vitalrecords/deathinfo.htm However, depending upon the year, and *if a death register* entry will suffice, you can get a copy from the Belleville Public Library, including search time and copy (will be two sheets) probably for about $5 - see policy here. http://www.compu-type.net/rengen/stclair/BPL.htm The early registers 1878 contain the same info as the certificate but no original signatures. Some are more readable than the certificates but *might* also contain errors because the info is derived, not original. As you get closer to the 1920s (?) the registers contain less info than the certificates. Diane

SARGENT-POTTER: After 1848, the widow of CHARLES SARGENT of Lebanon, IL, SARAH SMITH SARGENT, married MATTHEW POTTER. My questions are: 1. Did the marriage take place in St. Clair Cnty, IL? 2. Or did she move to Steuben Twp, Marshall Cnty, IL with her son, HENRY SARGENT, and marry MATTHEW POTTER there. 3. She died December 26, 1858. Where is she buried? Berlin greatgreataunt@yahoo.com __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

I requested copies of death certificates from the St. Clair County Clerk's office which confirmed they have the certificates I'm looking for. What I didn't realize was the cost is $13.85 for each copy. Do you know if there are other sources that would have copies of these death certificates? --Thanks, Keith Pey * Also researching in the St. Clair County area: PEY; ARNET; BROWN; BOWLER

Thanks, Diane. That's what I was trying to say. -- Harold >Agreed, the point is that whether we are using a book, a digitized or hard bound copy, a family group sheet, CD-ROM, web page, scanned image of whatever, we should analyze the information (and the attached footnotes if in some published form), verify it, and if it meets all criteria for reliable information, incorporate it into our collections. The digitized books, reliable info or not, do provide easier access, and a *starting point* that might help those brick walls come tumbling down. Its what we do with that info that makes all the difference in how credible our own research becomes. > Not cited? Then the information provided *must* be verified one way or another to lend any credibility to the fact - the best direct evidence being a document created at or near the time of the event by someone present at that event. (Conclusions based on indirect evidence can get really involved). Cited, but references a highly digested or vague body of work? ( ex: John Brown's genealogy, worker of wonders in the genie field for 20 years and noted genealogist) -- better try to get the documentation that backs up the 'fact' . Cited to a civil marriage record at 'x' courthouse/repository/archives? Great! - easy to track and get a copy to boot (just to make sure no typos occured if nothing else). Standing down from my soapbox now : ] Diane Harold Henderson, researching HENDERSON, DAVIDSON, ANDERSSON, STENBERG, THRALL, FLINT, SCHRIBER, JOSS, SCHOLES, MOZLEY, BOREN, LINHART, BASSETT, BLISS, BURDICK, CRANDALL and many more http://wc.rootsweb.com/~hendersonscholes http://justonestory.com

Agreed, the point is that whether we are using a book, a digitized or hard bound copy, a family group sheet, CD-ROM, web page, scanned image of whatever, we should analyze the information (and the attached footnotes if in some published form), verify it, and if it meets all criteria for reliable information, incorporate it into our collections. The digitized books, reliable info or not, do provide easier access, and a *starting point* that might help those brick walls come tumbling down. Its what we do with that info that makes all the difference in how credible our own research becomes. Not cited? Then the information provided *must* be verified one way or another to lend any credibility to the fact - the best direct evidence being a document created at or near the time of the event by someone present at that event. (Conclusions based on indirect evidence can get really involved). Cited, but references a highly digested or vague body of work? ( ex: John Brown's genealogy, worker of wonders in the genie field for 20 years and noted genealogist) -- better try to get the documentation that backs up the 'fact' . Cited to a civil marriage record at 'x' courthouse/repository/archives? Great! - easy to track and get a copy to boot (just to make sure no typos occured if nothing else). Standing down from my soapbox now : ] Diane

This is information and like ALL information you have to VERIFY for yourselves the truth of it. NO ONE should just incorporate what they get from anywhere into their records without VERIFICATION.

In a message dated 11/10/2005 12:00:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, wa6ipd@dslextreme.com writes: > You don't seem to understand. What they are doing is copying books for use > > FREE on the internet. I hope you don't expect BYU to verify the content of > published books?? > > I can only compliment and praise the efforts of the LDS Church they are > helping us all to find our roots. Their publishing the 1880 census was a > monstrous feat, they are not only to be applauded for this but for providing > > FREE local libraries for all to use along with their other endless > contributions. Sorry you were disappointed. > > Herbert > I agree. Kudos to the LDS for their costly effort. Now let me get back to the genealogy book that retails for around $100 that I'm reading for free. <G> Bob Robert Evans Page "... comes from a long line of dead men." Lawrence Block

In a message dated 11/10/2005 8:31:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, hhsh@earthlink.net writes: > have visited the site and checked out some books dealing with families I'm > > familiar with. Two thoughts: > > (1) You must have an Adobe Acrobate Reader version 6 to see much. (Free > downloads are available from the Adobe site.) > > (2) The books I saw were far from authoritative -- more like photocopied > family > group sheets from a generation or two ago. In the families I know something > > about (Thrall and Gunn), they perpetuated long-refuted errors. Of course > that's no different from the internet -- lots of clues out there but not a > lot > of hard evidence! > > Harold > I found the Daniel Shedd Genealogy by Frank E. Shedd published by the Shedd Family Association in 1921 in their collection. The online books are no more and no less accurate than any other book you find in a public library. They are the same copies I used to get from the NGS library in Arlington, Va.\

You don't seem to understand. What they are doing is copying books for use FREE on the internet. I hope you don't expect BYU to verify the content of published books?? I can only compliment and praise the efforts of the LDS Church they are helping us all to find our roots. Their publishing the 1880 census was a monstrous feat, they are not only to be applauded for this but for providing FREE local libraries for all to use along with their other endless contributions. Sorry you were disappointed. Herbert ----- Original Message ----- From: <hhsh@earthlink.net> To: <ILSTCLAI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 5:32 AM Subject: Re: [ILSTCLAI] LDS Digitizing Books, on-line NOW at BYU -from another List >I have visited the site and checked out some books dealing with families >I'm > familiar with. Two thoughts: > > (1) You must have an Adobe Acrobate Reader version 6 to see much. (Free > downloads are available from the Adobe site.) > > (2) The books I saw were far from authoritative -- more like photocopied > family > group sheets from a generation or two ago. In the families I know > something > about (Thrall and Gunn), they perpetuated long-refuted errors. Of course > that's no different from the internet -- lots of clues out there but not a > lot > of hard evidence! > > Harold > Harold Henderson, researching HENDERSON, DAVIDSON, ANDERSSON, > STENBERG, THRALL, FLINT, SCHRIBER, JOSS, SCHOLES, MOZLEY, > BOREN, LINHART, BASSETT, BLISS, BURDICK, CRANDALL and many more > http://wc.rootsweb.com/~hendersonscholes http://justonestory.com > >

I have visited the site and checked out some books dealing with families I'm familiar with. Two thoughts: (1) You must have an Adobe Acrobate Reader version 6 to see much. (Free downloads are available from the Adobe site.) (2) The books I saw were far from authoritative -- more like photocopied family group sheets from a generation or two ago. In the families I know something about (Thrall and Gunn), they perpetuated long-refuted errors. Of course that's no different from the internet -- lots of clues out there but not a lot of hard evidence! Harold Harold Henderson, researching HENDERSON, DAVIDSON, ANDERSSON, STENBERG, THRALL, FLINT, SCHRIBER, JOSS, SCHOLES, MOZLEY, BOREN, LINHART, BASSETT, BLISS, BURDICK, CRANDALL and many more http://wc.rootsweb.com/~hendersonscholes http://justonestory.com

Now Available from the St. Clair County Genealogical Society FREEBURG TOWNSHIP CEMETERIES The book includes the inventory of the following cemeteries ELMWOOD, MAPLEWOOD, ST. PAUL UCC, FOULKES, & ST. JOSEPH CATHOLIC and Family Cemeteries of: ADAMS, BLINN, BURNETT, CULLI, EIDMAN, ELLSWORTH, FRIES, FRITZ, FUNK, HAMANN, LAND, LEGRAND, McGUIRE, McLEMORE, MERKEL, MUELLER, OBERNAGEL, PENDELTON, PHILLIPS, REINHEIMER, ROSS, ROTH, SCHAEFER, SCHELLENBERGER, SCHMIDT,SEIBERT, SHOOK, STRUTZ, SILVER CREEK, WEISS, SPITZNASS-WILDERMAN, WAMSER, & WILDERMAN Includes: a map of Freeburg Township showing the location of the cemeteries, History of the cemeteries, and cemetery plat maps. Some of the inventories had been previously published as separate books and some were published in SCCGS Quarterlies. The inventories have been updated through October 2005 and are now all available in one book. 101 pp. Indexed. $10.00 Be sureyou indicate that it is the 'Freeburg Township Cemetery' book you are ordering. Make checks payable to SCCGS and mail to: St. Clair County Genealogical Society, P. O. Box 431 Belleville, IL 62222-0431

Here's a direct link to the page. http://www.lib.byu.edu/fhc/ Sande in CA GDETTLEFF@aol.com wrote: > Below is an announcement from another List. I don't know anything more >about it. >Gloria >===================== > >Subject: LDS Digitizing Books, on-line NOW at BYU !!! > > >> >> >> >>>A dream coming true. The Family History Library is starting to >>> >>> >>digitize >> >> >>>their book holdings, mostly family histories to date, and they >>> >>> >>are putting them >> >> >>>on-line, fully search able by any word or advanced search >>> >>> >>combinations. >> >> >>> Five thousand plus of these books are on the Brigham Young >>> >>> >> University >> >> >>>Library servers and readily accessible, NOW! >>>Here is a partial clip of an announcement I just received and >>> >>> >>I have only >> >> >>>made a quick check of how to find them and how to search, but >>> >>> >>it is very >> >> >>> exciting >>>"The LDS Family History Library has announced that it has >>> >>> >>begun the process >> >> >>>of digitizing and making available on the Internet all of the >>> >>> >>Family History >> >> >>>books in their collection. These are primarily books in the >>> >>> >> "929.273Series" >> >> >>>that are currently housed on the first floor of the Family >>> >>> >>History Library >> >> >>>(previously housed on the fourth floor of the Joseph Smith >>> >>> >>Memorial Building). >> >> >>> At the present time (September 2005), about 5000 books have >>> >>> >>been digitized >> >> >>>and are available, and they have announced that they are >>> >>> >>adding about 100 >> >> >>>titles a week to the on-line collection. Copyright issues are >>> >>> >>playing a role in >> >> >>>determining the order in which they progress through this >>> >>> >>task; books out of >> >> >>>copyright are being done first." >>>Go to the web site of the Harold B. Lee Library at BYU >>>at http://www.lib.byu.edu/ , then on the home page, follow the >>> >>> >>links:Find Other Materials; >> >> >>>Electronic; On Line Collections at BYU; Text Collections tab; >>> >>> >>Family History Archive >> >> >>>from the list of collections that are displayed. The search box >>> >>> >>on the left >> >> >>>seems to be he one to find your books at and the search box on >>> >>> >>the right is >> >> >>>for searching within the pages on screen. >>> >>> > > > > >

Below is an announcement from another List. I don't know anything more about it. Gloria ===================== Subject: LDS Digitizing Books, on-line NOW at BYU !!! > > >> A dream coming true. The Family History Library is starting to > digitize >> their book holdings, mostly family histories to date, and they > are putting them >> on-line, fully search able by any word or advanced search > combinations. >> Five thousand plus of these books are on the Brigham Young > University >> Library servers and readily accessible, NOW! >> Here is a partial clip of an announcement I just received and > I have only >> made a quick check of how to find them and how to search, but > it is very >> exciting >> "The LDS Family History Library has announced that it has > begun the process >> of digitizing and making available on the Internet all of the > Family History >> books in their collection. These are primarily books in the > "929.273Series" >> that are currently housed on the first floor of the Family > History Library >> (previously housed on the fourth floor of the Joseph Smith > Memorial Building). >> At the present time (September 2005), about 5000 books have > been digitized >> and are available, and they have announced that they are > adding about 100 >> titles a week to the on-line collection. Copyright issues are > playing a role in >> determining the order in which they progress through this > task; books out of >> copyright are being done first." >> Go to the web site of the Harold B. Lee Library at BYU >> at http://www.lib.byu.edu/ , then on the home page, follow the > links:Find Other Materials; >> Electronic; On Line Collections at BYU; Text Collections tab; > Family History Archive >> from the list of collections that are displayed. The search box > on the left >> seems to be he one to find your books at and the search box on > the right is >> for searching within the pages on screen.

Folks, Re: SCCGS quarterlies circa 1988 - 2005 -- home desired: PUBLIC LIBRARY, PUBLIC ARCHIVES, or local genealogical/historical SOCIETY (first come first serve) Postage to be paid in advance by the library/archives (maybe about $15 all together?). I Need-- Name and address of the library/archives Contact person and email Diane