Great website! I found a land deed, but can't seem to print it from any of the formats given - not even the PDF. Any suggestions? Thanks! Elizabeth Gerber > -----Original Message----- > From: Diane Walsh [SMTP:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:25 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ILSTCLAI] Land records > > The Bureau of Land Management for Public Domain Lands (first sale of land > from federal govt to others - many states including IL) 1820 forward > http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ > > > Diane

The Bureau of Land Management for Public Domain Lands (first sale of land from federal govt to others - many states including IL) 1820 forward http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ The Illinois State Archives - for Public Domain Land sales specific to Illinois (after 1814) - excludes grants, donations, preemptions. This is similar to what you will find on the BLM site but 1814 forward. Great finding aid for early settlers before 1850. MOST land research will be done at the county level however. All subsequent sales of a land parcel after that first purchase from the federal govt will be recorded at the county level. The county records land transfers between two or more people, or a company and someone . For St. Clair you can access the deed indexes at the Belleville Library 1790 - c1908; and at the Recorder's office at the courthouse 1790 to the present. IRAD has some deed indexes and deed record books for St Clair (to c1857). Links to BPL, IRAD and etc. http://www.compu-type.net/rengen/stclair/stcusfl1.htm Diane

Someone has posted a site that have land grant information . Would you please post again . Thanks .... Sonny

I am looking for information on some pates that resided in St. Clair County at least that was their maiden names. Audrey Morgan nee Pate, and Anna Shaw nee Pate. Anna died October 11, 1977, and Audrey died November 03, 1988. Their mother Frances Pate nee Atkins I believe lived with Audrey for a time in Belleville, IL. Frances Pate died January 12, 1968. All of the above are buried in Walnut Hill Cemetery in Belleville. I have not however been able to find a marked grave for Anna or Audrey, although I know by the cemetery records the very well should be there. I am just looking for information on any of these people, if anyone here has any that is, Thanks in advance. Regards, Michael S. McGough "You know, anti-Catholicism is the last acceptable prejudice. You can't hate black people any more, of course, and you can't hate homosexuals anymore, but you can hate all the Catholics you want." - Tom Clancy Time, July 29, 2002 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 5:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: ILSTCLAI-D Digest V02 #139

Need info on John & Jane Davis, her son was Francis Marion Poe. They came to St Clair Countybefore 1860. Don't know if John Davis died or they divorced. She married John Clark between 1852 and 1865 because she married Richard Vasser in 1865 in St. Clair County. They left and in 1870 are in Laclede County, Mo. in 1870 and 1880 are in Labette County, Kansas. He deserted her before 1893 so she divorcedhim in 1893 and married Joeb Jacobs in 1893 in Newton County, Mo. Joel died in 1900. Don't know what happened to Jane after that. Please can anyone help. Thank You. Norma Blasdel, Enid, Ok. [email protected]

Hello Listers...... Looking for any help on finding lost years of my great-great grandfather. Any help would be appreciated. His name was Johann Adam Ripper, He went by Adam Ripper. He was born in Germany in Nov 1837. HE came to America in 1857 with his brother and settled in the Pekin, Ill area, where he married and had one daughter. His wife died shortly after child birth. Adam left his infant daughter MAggie with his brother and his wife, and left Pekin between 1863 and 1865. In the 1870 census, he is in East St Louis, Ill, with his second wife and their two children. He is listed as J. Adam Repper. In 1880 they are in St Louis, MO First Enumeration District, with 6 kids 5 of whom were born in Illinois. We know he married Caroline (Kunniegunda) Hoelzer or Hoelscher in Illinois in 1867. She was born in Illinois, and both her parents were born in Germany. We are sure that their first 3 kids at least were born in East St Louis, Ill area. So, hopefully there are christening records, or birth records somewhere. As far as religion, its another brick wall.......... Adam was born and christened A Luthern. In fact his brother started a Church in the Pekin area. But, he died and was buried a Catholic. All his children married Catholics, but we are not sure of the conversion. It may have been when he married his second wife, but we just aren't sure. So, if anyone comes across them in ANY records, please, please let me know!!! We'd really like to fill in the gaps! Here is the info and dates we have...... Would really love to find theimarraige record, but it doesn't show up anywhere yet! Johann Adam Ripper b. Nov 1837 (germany) D. Aug 22 1922 StL, MO Kundegunda (Caroline) Hoelscher B. 1849 (Ill) D. Jan 2 1930 StL, MO John A. Ripper b. Aug 241868 (Ill) Ferdinand E. Ripper (fred) b. Jan 1870 (Ill) D. Sept 8 1952 StL, MO George Ripper b. Jan 16 1872 (Ill) D. Dec 5 1936 StL, MO Joseph Ripper b. Mar 12 1875 D. Jul 31 1959 StL, MO Mary Ripper b. Sept 28 1877 J. Peter Ripper b. Sept 27 1879 (MO) D. Louis Ripper b. Nov 3 1881 (MO) Phillip Ripper b. Oct 8 1886 (MO) D. Dec 24 1917 StL, MO Maggie Ripper b. June 24 1889 (MO) Helena Ripper b. June10 1895 (MO) There were also 2 more kids, who died as infants, just not sure when!! Thanks for any info! Trisha Ripper Independence, MO

I am trying to find information about a great aunt named Louisa Heissler (or Hauessler). She lived in Millstadt after arriving from Germany with her family in 1847. The records indicated that she married Frederick Drese in 1863, but cannot find any thing else on her. Does her name or Frederick's appear in any one's research? Thanks, Pat

we are doing 1910 census look-up for the belleville, illinois area. can someone tell me what district the 300 block, s. 16th street would be in at that time. would appreciate any help on this. thank you

Hello List, Is there anyone who can do a 1850 census lookup on Margaret Heilmann, her daughters Elizabeth, Cathrine and Maria and Franz Joseph Guth. Thank you for your time. Donna _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

>From this mornings Belleville News-Democrat, Posted on Thu, Jul. 25, 2002 New owners of cemeteries show cleaned-up look By Jayne Matthews [email protected] The grass is cut, the roads are repaved, and the new owners of two troubled metro-east cemeteries want to show them off. Mount Hope Cemetery in Belleville and Valley View Cemetery in Edwardsville now have Forever in front of their longtime names. Forever Enterprises, a St. Louis company that specializes in reviving derelict cemeteries, will hold a reopening ceremony Aug. 3 at Forever Valley View, 1564 Lewis Road in Edwardsville. The cemeteries came under state scrutiny in 1996, when complaints began to flood into Springfield about weed-infested grounds and missing prepaid funeral money and perpetual care funds. Under new owners since May, the two metro-east cemeteries have been in business since the sale. But the single ribbon-cutting in Edwardsville will formally observe both their rebirths, said Randy Murray, chief marketing officer. Illinois Comptroller Daniel Hynes, who took control of the two cemeteries from a previous owner, is expected to attend, co-owner Brent Cassity said Wednesday. A spokesman in Hynes' office said the improvements have special meaning because of the heartbroken people who complained about the neglect and deterioration of their friends' and relatives' grave sites. ``Comptroller Hynes is excited about the restoration of these two cemeteries because of the concern of these people,'' said spokesman Karen Craven. The comptroller oversees Illinois' cemeteries and funeral homes because his office must audit their trust accounts. As part of their purchase agreement, brothers Brent and Tyler Cassity must repay $182,000 plus interest to the state's Consumer Protection Fund. The fund paid that amount to Valley View and Mount Hope customers whose prepaid funeral money was not deposited in a trust account by former owner Larry Esterlen of Glen Carbon. The new owners will be allowed to pay the money over time, Craven said. The Cassitys also must restore a $227,000 perpetual care fund at both cemeteries. Forever Enterprises paid $120,000 for Mount Hope and $135,000 for Valley View. The Cassity brothers first gained attention when they restored the famous Hollywood Cemetery, next to Paramount Studios in Los Angles. Its graves include those of Rudolph Valentino, Cecil B. DeMille and Jayne Mansfield. Besides their Hollywood business, they own two cemeteries in St. Louis and one in Kansas City. Mount Hope and Valley View are their first Illinois acquisitions. A feature of Forever cemeteries -- videotaped life stories of the deceased -- was the original business that drew the brothers to acquire the cemeteries, Brent Cassity said.

Joyce, I lived there in the 50's. My memory is not as good as it used to be. On the corner of 42nd & Bond Ave. there was a Drug Store, a Grocery Store, next to Grocery was a tevern run by an old man named John SCHMIDT, he was a German, next door was a family named LOPINOT. across the street (Bond) was a Donut shop. Don't remember what was other corner. Next to Donut was a two story apartment house. There was a single lady living up-stairs by the name of Roxie CRISEL. Up and down Bond Ave. there were JOHNSONs, PAYNEs (Mr. Payne had a wooden leg and delivered the E.ST.Louis Journal), CLAQUINs, VOLTs, FORDs, ALLENs, SEWELLs, and NICHOLSONs. (Nicholson is my maiden name. The school was on 48th & Bond Ave., Lafayette, 1st-8th grade. It was still there 7 yrs. ago, same place, different building. I don't recall a McDaniels family living on 42nd. I did go to school with a boy named McDaniels. Carol

In a message dated 7/25/2002 6:45:15 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > How long ago did your family live in Millstadt? Have you chatted with > Bob Buecher yet? He is terrific. > > Have you shared your family names with us? Bob knows the history of > about every family line, I think Marsha, that would probably be a good idea for me to do, huh? :0) Just signed up for this list yesterday, but hopefully someone out there might have some clues for me. This is what I know so far on my St. Clair County ancestors: Johann Phillip Preusser was born December 22, 1822 in Neu Weilnau Amt Usingen, Nassau, Germany. He left Germany on March 13, 1847 and arrived in Millstadt/Centreville in 1848 (according to a German researcher of similar lineage.) On June 15, 1848 he married Kathrina Elizabetha Weber in Millstadt. I don't know anything about Kathrina's parents except that her father was Friedrich Weber and her mother Dent Miller (again according to another researcher, and I have not been able to find sources to veryify). Kathrina was born September 26, 1826 in Brombach Amt Usingen, Germany. I don't know when she immigrated or if she came with her parents. Does she have siblings? At any rate, I have found Johann and Katrina on the 1850 census with their oldest son Peter Wilhelm Preusser (the index has the last name as Preaser--- Johann as Philip and Peter as Wilhelm). They had 2 other children (twins): Karl Heinrich Preusser and Katherine Louisa Preusser born September 15, 1851 (both born in Millstadt). Johann died December 07, 1852. I don't know where or why. Katherina then married Christian Philip Franckenback May 29, 1853 in Millstadt. His parents were George Frankenbach and Maria Duesinger. He was born February 11, 1821 in Waldcroftel, Nassau, Germany. He emmigrated from Germany on May 11, 1849 and arrived in Illinois in Sept. 1851. Kathrina and Christian had 6 more children (plus the 3 Preusser children): Wilhelm Gottfried, Louise Philippona, Fredrick Carl, Christiane Louise, Wilhelmine Louise, and George Carl. All the children were born in Millstadt except George who was born in Palmyra, Marion County, Missouri. I have confusing dates as to when the family moved into Missouri, and I would hazzard a guess that there may have been some movement back and forth. I have found the family on the 1860 Census in Millstadt. Christian Frankenback died July 10, 1904 in West Ely, Ralls County, Missouri. And Kathrina died May 12, 1913 in the same place. The oldest son of Johann Preusser and Kathrina Weber, Peter Wilhelm Preusser married a Wilhelmine Aguste Hennecke on July 31, 1870 in Millstadt. So either he never moved to Missouri or he moved back to Illinois. Wilhelmine is someone else that I hope to find a connection/more information about. Supposedly her parents were Frederick Hennecke who married a ? Buccholtz. I don't know if Wilhelmine was born in the US or not. They had 9 children I believe were all born in Millstadt: Katherine Amalie Preusser, Johann Friedrick Wilhelm Preusser, Elizabethe Auguste Preusser, Carl Gottlieb Preusser, Edward Heinrich Gottfried Preusser, Louise Wilhemine Preusser, Anna Marie Preusser, Pauline Preusser, and Walther George Heinrich Preusser. In 1892, Katherine Amalie Preusser married Heinrich Ernst Bremforder Mahsman in Missouri. Hence ending the direct line tie to St. Clair. That was a lot of information. Never know quite how much to put out there to hope to find someone who knows a little bit more or who I might be able to help. Thanx for wading through the information! Sonia

Marsha and JIM, thank you for the clarification of this matter. I sure didn't mean to start a whole history/geography lesson, but it has been very helpful to me. I have just started researching this area of my ancestors, though I've known for a couple of decades now about them coming from Millstadt. However, I have not been able to locate much on them yet, and am looking forward to learning about the area and the people. Thanx! Sonia (Sorry for the double message sent to you, Marsha, I am still getting used to this message group and not just hitting the reply button.)

Just want to thank everyone for their reply. Unfortunately, I still cannot find 4206 Bond Ave. Will just have to keep on looking. :-( Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Goranflo" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [ILSTCLAI] ED Help!! > I've been confused about Centreville and Millstadt having been one and the same. If you go to http://home.swbell.net/bobbiev/M-event.html under "Milestones in the History of Millstadt, IL"...the listing dated September 14, 1878 - Board of Trustees of the Village of Centreville passed an ordinance to change the name of the village to "Village of Millstadt." > > Are there 2 Centrevilles? Pat > > >>> "Rideout Family" <[email protected]> 07/25/02 12:59PM >>> > There is a Centerville Station in St. Clair County. Go to this site > > http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.gnis_web_query_form > > enter Centerville Station, select the state of Illinois, then click on SEND > QUERY and you will find the location which is listed below. > > Good hunting > > Art > Fallbrook, CA > > Feature Name: Centerville Station > Feature Type: populated place > Elevation: 414 > State: Illinois > County: St. Clair > USGS 7.5' x 7.5' Map: French Village > 383326N > 0900633W > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 8:47 AM > Subject: Re: [ILSTCLAI] ED Help!! > > > : In a message dated 7/25/2002 9:44:00 AM Mountain Daylight Time, > : [email protected] writes: > : > : > : > I pulled up an address on MapQuest - 4206 Bond Ave., and it appears that > : > this address could be in Centreville Twsp. When looking on > Ancestry.com, > : > 1930 census for St. Clair Co., I do not find Centreville Twsp. listed, > or > : > maybe I am not reading the map correctly. Could SKS please help?? > : > > : > Thanks and happy hunting. > : > > : > Joyce McDaniel Hennessy > : > Buffalo Grove, IL > : > Searching McDaniel in St. Clair Co. > : > > : > : Hi, I am new to researching in this county, but my family comes from > : Centreville also known as Milstadt. It is down around Belleville. > There's > : also a Centreville Station, I believe. I don't know if it is a separate > : township though. Not sure if I've been much help. > : > : Sonia > : Searching: Hennecke, Weber, Preusser, Frankenbach > : > : > >

Bob Buecher! Are you on vacation? We need you for this conversation. Bob and I both grew up in Millstadt, and Bob is Historian Extraordinaire on matters Millstadt. Yes, Jim Schneider has it right (as it was taught to me and as printed in most history-of-Millstadt literature). The village wanted to be Mittelstadt, but it came back from the State as read: "Millstadt". "Centerville Road" --which still exists-- lead from Columbia (Monroe Co.) to Millstadt. There is also a Centerville Avenue from Belleville into Millstadt. This matter of Center (re) ville and Millstadt is confusing as the community of Centerville, north of Millstadt, exists, and many of its dearly departed are buried in a cemetery south of Centerville [or north of Millstadt], with a Millstadt address. So, people from Centerville are announced that they are buried in a Millstadt cemetery. Bob, what can you add to the township in question? Cheers, all, Marsha

Meta Hueckel (b. 11-9-1880) married Louis Voegeli on 3-25-1903. I'm looking for information on Meta, Louis and their children: Mildred Voegeli (born c.1905 and m. H. Clark Williams, 6-16-1924) Raymond Voegeli (born c. 1909)

Hi - My understanding from something that I read some time ago is that there were, in effect, two "Centerville/Centreville" communities at one time, one of which, the present day Millstadt was referred to as Middlestadt (the approximate German rendition of Centerville, as Centreville is the approximate French rendition of the same name). A mistake was made when the name was registered with some body of the State of Illinois and the name of the community was inadvertently changed to Millstadt. I could be mistaken, but I believe that the ordinance of 1878 was passed in acceptance of this change. Jim Schneider Pat Goranflo wrote: > I've been confused about Centreville and Millstadt having been one and the same. If you go to http://home.swbell.net/bobbiev/M-event.html under "Milestones in the History of Millstadt, IL"...the listing dated September 14, 1878 - Board of Trustees of the Village of Centreville passed an ordinance to change the name of the village to "Village of Millstadt." > > Are there 2 Centrevilles? Pat >

"Your wrong...it's CentREville Station.." Actually I just looked at 4 different maps now, and 2 have it as CentERville Station and the other 2 have it as CentREville Station. So I guess both are acceptable possiblities. Found the same thing with CentERville/CentREville. "I've been confused about Centreville and Millstadt having been one and the same. If you go to http://home.swbell.net/bobbiev/M-event.html under "Milestones in the History of Millstadt, IL"...the listing dated September 14, 1878 - Board of Trustees of the Village of Centreville passed an ordinance to change the name of the village to "Village of Millstadt." Are there 2 Centrevilles? Pat" Pat, that makes more sense. When my ancestors were there then it was probably called Village of Centreville. Now it would be Millstadt, I guess. Thanx for the info.

Can someone help me find the district, ward or precinct for South 16th Street for the 1910, 1920 and 1930 census. Thanks much

I've been confused about Centreville and Millstadt having been one and the same. If you go to http://home.swbell.net/bobbiev/M-event.html under "Milestones in the History of Millstadt, IL"...the listing dated September 14, 1878 - Board of Trustees of the Village of Centreville passed an ordinance to change the name of the village to "Village of Millstadt." Are there 2 Centrevilles? Pat >>> "Rideout Family" <[email protected]> 07/25/02 12:59PM >>> There is a Centerville Station in St. Clair County. Go to this site http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.gnis_web_query_form enter Centerville Station, select the state of Illinois, then click on SEND QUERY and you will find the location which is listed below. Good hunting Art Fallbrook, CA Feature Name: Centerville Station Feature Type: populated place Elevation: 414 State: Illinois County: St. Clair USGS 7.5' x 7.5' Map: French Village 383326N 0900633W ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [ILSTCLAI] ED Help!! : In a message dated 7/25/2002 9:44:00 AM Mountain Daylight Time, : [email protected] writes: : : : > I pulled up an address on MapQuest - 4206 Bond Ave., and it appears that : > this address could be in Centreville Twsp. When looking on Ancestry.com, : > 1930 census for St. Clair Co., I do not find Centreville Twsp. listed, or : > maybe I am not reading the map correctly. Could SKS please help?? : > : > Thanks and happy hunting. : > : > Joyce McDaniel Hennessy : > Buffalo Grove, IL : > Searching McDaniel in St. Clair Co. : > : : Hi, I am new to researching in this county, but my family comes from : Centreville also known as Milstadt. It is down around Belleville. There's : also a Centreville Station, I believe. I don't know if it is a separate : township though. Not sure if I've been much help. : : Sonia : Searching: Hennecke, Weber, Preusser, Frankenbach : :