I think I found Howard's Charles Alexander STEBENNE semi-incognito under the name of ALEXANDER STEBBINS. Birthdate 21 Oct 1830 in 3 or 4 places (although not Oct 1st), place correct (Marieville=Montreal). LDS-IGI source; I recorded the batch numbers. Alexander's father is given as another ALEXANDER STEBBINS and his mother as MARY FOUNTAIN. Couldn't find Louisa MUENIER - butdid find that an ALEXANDER G. STEBBINS had been born on 7 Oct 1852 to ALEXANDER STEBBINS and LOUISA MILLER. This family was still in (or back in) Montreal in 1860, when Mary was born. Did not find birthdates of any other children, nor of Louisa. Sorry! Hope this much was helpful. *********************************** Well, I have this really bad cold, see - and all I've been doing today is playing with the computer. Yes, yes - I know I should have been doing bank statements. . . . Best to all, Ginny