Vicki, I have a new e-mail address; I think I send this info to you for the list? [email protected] Bev Goyette Mieure, St.Louis ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:04 PM Subject: [ILSTANNE] Achille Chiniquy letters - the store > Well, Charles A. and Stella were married on 14 October 1880 and seem to have > traveled at once to Crookston, Minnesota, where Charles A. was about to open > a general store. Later, his brother Luther-Rudophe joined Charles A. as a > partner. But alas for them - CHINIQUY BROS. was not to be a MACY'S or > DAYTON-HUDSON or MARSHALL FIELD (which all started the same way, after all) > but was only one of the many that must have sprung, full of hope and good > intentions, in the new metropolises of the frontier - only to fade when the > metropolis did. Or - failed for other reasons, of course. > > Crookston thought a good deal of itself in those early days - it was going to > be a Chicago, a Detroit, a St. Louis. Read on - we'll get back to the > letters! > > TRANSCRIPT OF 1882 ARTICLE ON STORE OWNED BY Charles A. CHINIQUY AND HIS > BROTHER RUDOLPH CHINIQUY (photocopy given to VEC by a clerk in the offices > of John Millard, Crookston attorney, and a copy sent to Carol Anne Chiniquy. > Transcription done by Carol Anne on 7.2.99.) > > [begin quote] MANUFACTURERS OF CROOKSTON, MINN - 1882 - C. A. and J. R. > Chiniquy > > It would be a revelation to many who have never visited the Red River > Valley, to find here such a large and handsome store and so extensive a stock > of dry goods and clothing as are displayed on the counters and shelves of > this establishment. Here is a comparatively new city; scarcely a decade has > passed since the first settler built his primitive shanty, and yet today you > find a solidly built, compact town containing one of the largest stores in > the Northwest, and furnishing an opportunity for the purchase of any article > from a pin to a complete suit of clothes. > If the question is asked; "How can a large store like this find > sufficient support in a town which, if it was located in one of the eastern > states, could not support one of half the size?" the answer would be, that > Crookston in five years will have more than doubled her present population; > that she is surrounded on all sides by an enterprising, industrious people > who know and feel that their interest and hers are identical, and who > consequently join with her citizens in contributing to the maintenance of any > institution which, whilst it offers to the public everything they could > obtain in the large eastern cities, is a home enterprise interested and > aiding in the development of the city, which is something desired by all > parties. It is this custom of patronizing home concerns which has > contributed more than anything else to make Northwestern business houses so > large and enterprising; for while the public takes a pride in their merchants > and their system of doing business, the merchants pride themselves and strain > every nerve to satisfy the demands of the public. > But lest it may be thought that we exaggerate, we will briefly describe > first the store, then the stock of the "Chicago Dry Goods House" for such is > the name by which the establishment of the Messrs. Chiniquy is known. > The store is a large, two story, brick structure, fronting fifty feet on > Main street with an even depth of eighty-five feet. The entire front on the > ground floor is taken up with large, handsome, plate glass windows in which > are attractively displayed samples of the various goods for sale. On > entering, the centre of the store is found to be occupied by a long counter > filled with show cases, and along the side and rear walls are shelves and > counters with a wide passage between them and those in the center of the > store. This arraignment is a most excellent one, as it affords an easy and > expeditious means of viewing the stock without being interrupted and annoyed > by other customers crowding and pushing while you are making your purchases. > Each department is distinct, and a stranger on entering can easily ascertain > at a glance the exact place where any given article is to be had. > There are calicoes, linen goods, silks, worsted goods, material for > dresses of all kinds, table and household linen, cotton goods of all > descriptions, and in a word everything to be found in the largest dry goods > store, in large quantities and great variety. There is a hat and cap > counter, a boot and shoe department, and, a recent innovation, a complete > millinery department under the charge and supervision of Miss Jessie Pratt, a > lady who for several years was employed in the Chicago House of O. R. Keith & > Co., one of the largest and most prominent millinery establishments in the > country. There is an immense assortment of men's, youths', and boys' > clothing suitable for all sizes, ages and pocket books. > It can be easily understood that an establishment of this kind requires > a manager of large experience and personal business ability. Mr. Chiniquy > previous to coming to the Northwest was in business in Chicago. He first > opened a store in Fargo, but shortly discontinued it and moved to Crookston, > opening his store here in November, 1880. Mr J. R. Chiniquy came to this > city direct when the business had grown so large that it was impossible for > his brother to conduct it entirely alone. They immediately formed a > partnership under the present style, and are daily adding new features, > purchasing new stock, and making every effort to keep their house up to the > equal of any similar one in the country. Men endowed with the spirit of > enterprise and perseverance can not fail, and it is not surprising to learn > that their sales for the past six months show an increase of over fifty per > cent. [close quote] > > Sounds like a near-miss for Field's - doesn't it??? > > > ==== ILSTANNE Mailing List ==== > To scan a remarkable collection of lists and webpages related to genealogy, go to: http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/internet.html > Once there, click on "mailing lists", then select the category you want, then the location or surname. Voila! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Who is the wife of Louis ST. JOHN? Most of the relations say Mary Arseneau and that all records are incorrect. The obituary for Joseph St. John listed his parents as Louis and Mary St. John. For Louisa Drollet, there is Louis ST. JEAN in the 1860 census, house #2209, Louis, 55, with Louisa, 53, and children Fanny, 24, Julie, 14, Matilda, 10, Joseph, 8, and June Black,6/12. Pierre Drollet, brother to Louisa lives next door. Son to Louis and Louisa, Antoine St. Jean, 22, lives with Pierre Drolet. The ledger of Rev. Chiniquy Page 119 lists Jean St. Jean, of age son of Louis St. Jean and Louise Drolet. Marriage record of Louis Guerin dit St. Jean to Louise Drollet listed in the Blue Druins and the parish record of St. Leon le Grande, Maskinonge Quebec. 2 Jun 1828 Louis Guerin dit St. Jean and Louisa Drollet are listed as the parents for each of the individual christening and burial records of these children in St. Leon le Grande, Maskinonge, Quebec. Louis Guerin dit St. Jean b. 29 May 1829 Jean-Baptiste Guerin dit St. Jean b. 17 Oct 1830 M. Louise Guerin dit St. Jean b. 17 Oct 1831 Eduard Guerin dit St. Jean b. 19 Jan 1834 Anonyne (ondoye) Guerin dit St. Jean d. 12 Aug 1836 M. Francoise Guerin dit St. Jean b. 8 Aug 1836 Antoine St. Jean dit Guerin b. 20 May 1838 Marie St. Jean b. 30 May 1840 Laurent St. Jean b. 4 Jan 1842 Pierre St. Jean b. 19 Aug 1844 d. 1845 Julie St. Jean b. 5 Jun 1846 Pierre St. Jean b. 4 Mar 1848 d. 1849 Mathilde St. Jean b.(in St. Paulin) 27 Apr 1850 The 1851 census finds the family in St. Paulin, County of St. Maurice, with Louis St. Jean,47, from St. Leon and Louise Drolette, 44, from Andcienne Lorette. Children are Louis St. Jean, 22, JBte St. Jean, 21, Louise St. Jean, 20, Edouard St. Jean, 18, Fanny St. Jean, 15, Antoine St. Jean, 14, Delima st. Jean, 11, Laurent St. Jean, 10, Julie St. Jean, 5, All above children were from St. Leon. Mathilde St. Jean, 1, was from st. Paulin. One obituary lists Mary ?. All the other records have Louise Drollet. Can all those records be wrong? Are there 2 couples with similar names and ages that moved from Quebec to Kankakee? The son of Antoine was the Minister at the funeral for Lawrence St. John. The Rev. P.A. St. John would be Lawrence's nephew and my great grandfather. -Cyndi Sweet

Hello: I am not sure if I understand the problem. When did Joseph die? How old was he when he died? There is no Joseph in your list of the children of Louis and Louise Drolet so what makes you think that they are the parents of Joseph St John? And yes, there might have been another Louis St John family around the same time. In the St John the Baptist book the following were confirmed on November 7, 1861. (Please note that the confirmations probably included young adults) Rosalie St John Theophile St John Joseph St John Louis St John David St John Except for the Louis name, these names are quite different from the names of the children of Louis and Louise Drolet. I certainly would not be striking out Louise's name as your last paragraph might suggest. richard graveline Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia A Sweet" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 4:32 PM Subject: [ILSTANNE] Louis St. John's wife > > Who is the wife of Louis ST. JOHN? Most of the relations say Mary Arseneau > and that all records are incorrect. The obituary for Joseph St. John listed > his parents as Louis and Mary St. John. > > For Louisa Drollet, there is Louis ST. JEAN in the 1860 census, house #2209, > Louis, 55, with Louisa, 53, and children Fanny, 24, Julie, 14, Matilda, 10, > Joseph, 8, and June Black,6/12. Pierre Drollet, brother to Louisa lives next > door. Son to Louis and Louisa, Antoine St. Jean, 22, lives with Pierre > Drolet. > The ledger of Rev. Chiniquy Page 119 lists Jean St. Jean, of age son of > Louis St. Jean and Louise Drolet. > > Marriage record of Louis Guerin dit St. Jean to Louise Drollet listed in the > Blue Druins and the parish record of St. Leon le Grande, Maskinonge Quebec. > 2 Jun 1828 > Louis Guerin dit St. Jean and Louisa Drollet are listed as the parents for > each of the individual christening and burial records of these children in > St. Leon le Grande, Maskinonge, Quebec. > Louis Guerin dit St. Jean b. 29 May 1829 > Jean-Baptiste Guerin dit St. Jean b. 17 Oct 1830 > M. Louise Guerin dit St. Jean b. 17 Oct 1831 > Eduard Guerin dit St. Jean b. 19 Jan 1834 > Anonyne (ondoye) Guerin dit St. Jean d. 12 Aug 1836 > M. Francoise Guerin dit St. Jean b. 8 Aug 1836 > Antoine St. Jean dit Guerin b. 20 May 1838 > Marie St. Jean b. 30 May 1840 > Laurent St. Jean b. 4 Jan 1842 > Pierre St. Jean b. 19 Aug 1844 d. 1845 > Julie St. Jean b. 5 Jun 1846 > Pierre St. Jean b. 4 Mar 1848 d. 1849 > Mathilde St. Jean b.(in St. Paulin) 27 Apr 1850 > > The 1851 census finds the family in St. Paulin, County of St. Maurice, with > Louis St. Jean,47, from St. Leon and Louise Drolette, 44, from Andcienne > Lorette. Children are Louis St. Jean, 22, JBte St. Jean, 21, > Louise St. Jean, 20, Edouard St. Jean, 18, Fanny St. Jean, 15, Antoine St. > Jean, 14, Delima st. Jean, 11, Laurent St. Jean, 10, Julie St. Jean, 5, All > above children were from St. Leon. Mathilde St. Jean, 1, was from st. > Paulin. > > One obituary lists Mary ?. All the other records have Louise Drollet. > Can all those records be wrong? Are there 2 couples with similar names and > ages that moved from Quebec to Kankakee? The son of Antoine was the > Minister at the funeral for Lawrence St. John. The Rev. P.A. St. John would > be Lawrence's nephew and my great grandfather. > -Cyndi Sweet