Dear List: Those of us who live in Wyoming do subscribe to the version that says Sacajawea died in Wyoming as an old lady and is buried (there is a grave marked) at Ft. Washakie, near Lander where I lived as a teenager. There are numerous accounts of her life and many agree that the Journals of Lewis and Clark contain some of the most accurate info. Yes, she is popularly known as 'Bird Woman,' and contemporary Shoshone people say that is a reasonable translation. Jeny, in Wyoming >Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:06:34 -0500 >From: "Jack" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: [ILSTANNE] Carol Anne--Re:CARON / ST GERMAIN >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >You wrote : snip: > It showed Clara's parents as Hyppolite Caron & >> Mathilda St Germain. They were all in Kankakee. Now, all I have to do it >> try and hook Hyppolite to his parents in Quebec. > >Carol Anne >Perhaps it would help to locate the St.Germain side. Most marriages occur in >the girls parish. >There was a Antoine St.Germain and his wife Harriet Wimet who came to >Kankakee in 1857 and farmed in Limestone twp. >They had nine children seven sons and two daughters. He had a son named >Romain ,born 15 May 1846 , at Montreal, married,18 Nov 1874, a Miss >Louisa Carrow,the eldest child of Joseph Carrow et Susan Tatro. The parents >were born in Canada. >The interest here is >1. The St.Germain name in Montreal >2. THe marriage with Louisa Carrow. I believe that the name Carrow is the >same as Caron or Carreau in Quebec Province. probably dit names ?? >So I would look for the mariage of Hyppolite et Mathilda in and around >Montreal. But for this period you will need parish records unless >it would be in the Red or Blue Drouin. You may also post a quiry on a Quebec >genealogy Forum > >Happy Hunting > >a Bientot >Jack Langlois >Source: Portrait et Biographical record of Kankakee County,IL.,pub.1893, >Page 281 > >______________________________ >------------------------------ >X-Message: #9 >Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:33:08 EST >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [ILSTANNE] Jack----Re:CARON / ST GERMAIN >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >In a message dated 3/14/03 1:06:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, >[email protected] writes: > > >> Carol Anne >> Perhaps it would help to locate the St.Germain side. Most marriages occur >> in >> the girls parish > > Bonjour Jack, >That's a good idea. I'll go after the St Germain side and see what I can >turn up. Thanks so much for all of your help. I really appreciate it. >Carol Anne > >______________________________ >------------------------------ >X-Message: #10 >Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:16:51 -0500 >From: "Richard Graveline" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [ILSTANNE] Toussaint Charbonneau >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hello: > >For those who smiled when they read about "wily old Toussaint" I offer the >following baptism. > >Celestine Charbonneau baptised Aug 20, 1829. Parents were "Toussaint and >Indian". Recorded in >Church of St. Louis King of France, St Louis. > >And for those who say that St Louis was too far away for a baptism, I want >to say that Joseph >Graveline who met Lewis and Clark in the Dakotas, had his children's >baptisms recorded in St >Louis also. > >Richard Graveline >Georgia > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:59 PM >Subject: [ILSTANNE] Toussaint Charbonneau > > >> In a message dated 2/16/2003 5:46:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, a Quebec >> lister wrote about Toussaint Charboneau: >> >> << Just happen to start reading a book: >> People of the First man---The first hand account of Prince Maximillian's >> expedition up the Missouri river 1833-1834. >> E.P.Dutton & Co -1976-- ISBN 0-525-17732-9 >> >> In the Editor's preface: < Of a remarquable group of hardy man, perhaps the >> hardiest was wily old Toussaint Charbonneau who was well into his >>seventies when >> Maximillian encountered him at Fort Clark. Charbonneau has been working as a >> guide. interpreter, and trader along the Missouri river for anyone who >>would hire >> him since the 1790s. He had served as interpreter on the Lewis and Clark >> expedition. Sacajawea, the Shoshone Indian woman who played a crucial >>role in >> the success of that expedition, was one of his many wifes. As >>Maximillian sourly >> noted, he was forever chasing after women, and five years after the prince's >> visit he still at it. Francis Chardon, then in command at Fort Clark, >>reported in >> his journal that, having bought a fourteen-year-old Assiniboin girl who >>had been >> captured by the Arikaras, he sold her to Charbonneau whose "marriage" >> was solemnized thusly: >> "... the young men at the Fort and two rees( Arikaras) gave the Old Man a >> splendid Charivaree, the Drums, pans. Kittles &c Beating; gun fireing &c. >> The old gentleman gave a feast to the Men, and a glass of grog- and went >>to bed >> with his young wife with the intention of doing his best" >> > >> Well not so bad.........! >> >> A Quebec lister > >______________________________ >------------------------------ >X-Message: #11 >Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:36:42 -0500 >From: "Richard Graveline" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [ILSTANNE] CARON / ST GERMAIN >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hello: > >Lots and lots of Caron's mentioned in the St Peter & Paul book published >by KVGS. Hypolite was >a son of Pierre Paul Caron and Marie Adelaide Caron ("no relation"). > > "Pierre Paul Caron - Born at L'Islet PQ, Canada, 1805. Came from >Riviere du Loup (Lower >Canada) to the states and settled in Limestone Township, Section 31, 1848." > >There is also a chart on page 125 that list the siblings of Hypolite and >their children. > > >richard graveline >Georgia > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 11:14 AM >Subject: [ILSTANNE] CARON / ST GERMAIN > > >> Bonjour Everyone, >> >> Is anyone on the list researching the surnames CARON & ST GERMAIN. >> >> I am looking for Hyppolite CARON who married Mathilde ST GERMAIN. I believe >> they were married in Quebec. They might have been living in Kankakee City >> and Hyppolite might be buried at Mt Calvery Cemetery. >> >> Any information will be greatly appreciated. >> Carol Anne > >______________________________ >------------------------------ >X-Message: #12 >Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:56:19 -0500 >From: "Jack" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: [ILSTANNE] Re:CARON / ST GERMAIN >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Carol Anne >I found on the Ill state death index > >Mathilde Caron, died 19 Jan 1917,at Kankakee,Kankakee County.,IL. > >a Bientot >Jack Langlois > > >______________________________ >------------------------------ >X-Message: #13 >Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:37:13 EST >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [ILSTANNE] Re:CARON / ST GERMAIN >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >In a message dated 3/14/03 3:56:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, >[email protected] writes: > > >> I found on the Ill state death index >> >> Mathilde Caron, died 19 Jan 1917,at Kankakee,Kankakee County.,IL. >> > Thanks again, Jack. I must have missed that when I was looking stuff up. > >Carol Anne > >______________________________ >------------------------------ >X-Message: #14 >Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 01:01:57 EST >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: [ILSTANNE] Toussaint CHARBONEAU's parents >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Here's the parentage for "the wily Toussaint [Charboneau]" - as given by a >Quebec lister. > >Jean-Baptiste Charbonneau (b. Aug 28, 1735) & Marguerite Deniau (b Apr 19, >1735) > >Their son was Toussaint Charbonneau (Mar 21, 1767 - died about 1843), married > Sacagawea "Bird Woman" (born about 1787 - died Dec 22, 1812) > >Their son was Jean-Baptiste "Pompey" Charbonneau (b. Feb 11, 1805 on the >trail to the Pacific. > >I have seen more about Pompey as an adult, but cannot find it now. Anyone >know? > >The recent biography of Meriweather Lewis ("Undaunted Courage", or something >like that -it was a best seller a few years ago) is terrific - highly >recommended, > >______________________________ >------------------------------ >X-Message: #15 >Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 08:58:37 -0600 >From: Jackie Doty <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <BA989BBD.4DD8%[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [ILSTANNE] Toussaint CHARBONEAU's parents >Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > >According to a program on the History Channel, J.B "Pomp" Charbonneau's >education was funded by one of the explorers, and he eventually became a >traveling companion of a European noble. > >> From: [email protected] >> Reply-To: [email protected] >> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 01:01:57 EST >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [ILSTANNE] Toussaint CHARBONEAU's parents >> Resent-From: [email protected] >> Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:01:57 -0700 >> >> >> Here's the parentage for "the wily Toussaint [Charboneau]" - as given by a >> Quebec lister. >> >> Jean-Baptiste Charbonneau (b. Aug 28, 1735) & Marguerite Deniau (b Apr 19, >> 1735) >> >> Their son was Toussaint Charbonneau (Mar 21, 1767 - died about 1843), married >> Sacagawea "Bird Woman" (born about 1787 - died Dec 22, 1812) >> >> Their son was Jean-Baptiste "Pompey" Charbonneau (b. Feb 11, 1805 on the >> trail to the Pacific. >> >> I have seen more about Pompey as an adult, but cannot find it now. Anyone >> know? >> >> The recent biography of Meriweather Lewis ("Undaunted Courage", or something >> like that -it was a best seller a few years ago) is terrific - highly >> recommended, >> >> >> ==== ILSTANNE Mailing List ==== >> Courtesy is the key to list relationships. Please send thanks ON the list to >> those who have helped you. Our listers are so smart and generous - it's nice >> to see them thanked publicly. >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go >> to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > >______________________________ >------------------------------ >X-Message: #16 >Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 07:58:02 -0800 (PST) >From: alan boudreau <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [ILSTANNE] Toussaint CHARBONEAU's parents >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Adding my 2 cents worth...here is what the History >channel had to say. > > >Sacajawea > >Sacajawea, Sacagawea, or Sakakawea, c.1784-1884?, >Native North American woman guide on the Lewis and >Clark expedition and the only woman to accompany the >party. She is generally called the Bird Woman in >English, although this translation has been >challenged, and there has been much dispute about the >form of her Native American name. She was a member of >the Shoshone, had been captured and sold to a Mandan, >and finally was traded to Toussaint Charbonneau, one >of whose wives she became. He was interpreter for the >expedition. She proved invaluable as a guide and >interpreter when Lewis and Clark reached the upper >Missouri River and the mountains from which she had >come. On the return journey she and Charbonneau left >(1806) the expedition at the Mandan villages. While >some historians date Sacajawea's death around 1812, >there are others who claim that she was discovered by >a missionary in 1875 and that she actually died in >Wyoming in 1884. > >See biography by H. P. Howard (1971). > > > > >--- Jackie Doty <[email protected]> wrote: >> According to a program on the History Channel, J.B >> "Pomp" Charbonneau's >> education was funded by one of the explorers, and he >> eventually became a >> traveling companion of a European noble. >> >> > From: [email protected] >> > Reply-To: [email protected] >> > Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 01:01:57 EST >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: [ILSTANNE] Toussaint CHARBONEAU's parents >> > Resent-From: [email protected] >> > Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:01:57 -0700 >> > >> > >> > Here's the parentage for "the wily Toussaint >> [Charboneau]" - as given by a >> > Quebec lister. >> > >> > Jean-Baptiste Charbonneau (b. Aug 28, 1735) & >> Marguerite Deniau (b Apr 19, >> > 1735) >> > >> > Their son was Toussaint Charbonneau (Mar 21, 1767 >> - died about 1843), married >> > Sacagawea "Bird Woman" (born about 1787 - died >> Dec 22, 1812) >> > >> > Their son was Jean-Baptiste "Pompey" Charbonneau >> (b. Feb 11, 1805 on the >> > trail to the Pacific. >> > >> > I have seen more about Pompey as an adult, but >> cannot find it now. Anyone >> > know? >> > >> > The recent biography of Meriweather Lewis >> ("Undaunted Courage", or something >> > like that -it was a best seller a few years ago) >> is terrific - highly >> > recommended, >> > >> > >> > ==== ILSTANNE Mailing List ==== >> > Courtesy is the key to list relationships. Please >> send thanks ON the list to >> > those who have helped you. Our listers are so >> smart and generous - it's nice >> > to see them thanked publicly. >> > >> > ============================== >> > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion >> online genealogy records, go >> > to: >> > >> >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > >> >> >> ==== ILSTANNE Mailing List ==== >> Please tell your fellow St. Anne area researchers >> about this list. 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