Hi Frances, Marie's last name would be pronounced in French as "P-eye-Y-aye" however it is spelled. The original surname was spelled "Paillé". Les ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frances Powell" <bob.powell2@comcast.net> To: <ILSTANNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 12:49 PM Subject: RE: [ILSTANNE] spelling surnames - whew! > Ginny, > I know you're right - and Ladoux doesn't bother me because I know from > childhood how to pronounce it no matter how it's spelled. What has me > confused, since I don't speak French, is how to pronounce Marie's last > name. > The various spellings coming from official documents and written records > are: > Paille, Palle, Paillain, Parlle, Payai, Payey, Pailline, Padlen, Payer, > Paye, Payet and Payette. > With your knowledge of pronouncing French names, what would be your best > guess how Marie's last name MIGHT be pronounced? > Also, do you have any idea how I might go about finding out who her > parents > were? And I understand that she had one brother, who was killed in an > accident. (This is my mother's mother's mother's line, so I am especially > interested in tracing Marie's heritage.) > Frances > > -----Original Message----- > From: VCrawf@aol.com [mailto:VCrawf@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:11 PM > To: ILSTANNE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ILSTANNE] spelling surnames - whew! > > In a message dated 4/27/2005 11:14:42 AM Pacific Standard Time, > bob.powell2@comcast.net writes: > of Jean Baptiste Ladoux's name. (He spelled it with an a in later > life) What I'm not sure of is: (a) how the record keepers could have > mispelled it, and (b) Marie's name. > +++++++++++++++++ > > Almost the first rule of genealogy is "don't sweat the spelling!" there > was > no such thing as a right or wrong way to spell a surname for a very long > time > - as long as it was clear who was meant, that is. Most of the records we > have for our ancestors show their names SPELLED BY SOMEONE ELSE when they > spoke > the names to that person. Since our St. Anne peole spoke French as their > first language and they were often speaking to native Egnish-speakers . . > . > the > fact that they worked with different phonetic values for each letter > resulted > in many inconsistencies. . . > > to put it mildly! > > Not to metntion that many of our ancestors and their contemporaries did > not > read or write easily - they had often gorwn up on remote farms where > little > schooling was available. > > So the classic advice has been to go with the flow of the variant > spellings > as long as you can make some phonetic connection - and use other indicia > such > as birth dates, parents, marriage dates, etc., to ascertain if you are on > the > right track or not. > > The LEDOUX, LEBLOW, LEBEAU, LADOUX, etc variants - and the PAYET, PAYETTE, > PAILLE, etc variants referenced in this recent exchange are cases in > point. > > Whew! This genealogy stuff is HARD WORK. > > Salut to all! > > Ginny Crawford > list admin > > > ==== ILSTANNE Mailing List ==== > Please tell your fellow St. Anne area researchers about this list. To > join, > an interested person should send an eMail to > ILSTANNE-L-request@rootsweb.com > with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line or message box. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta > rgetid=5429 > > > > ==== ILSTANNE Mailing List ==== > You can search or browse through 8.6 million posts on combined > Ancestry.com and RootsWeb MESSAGE BOARDS at: > http:boards.ancestry.com/ > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Les, Wonderful! Thank you, that is what I needed. Frances -----Original Message----- From: Les Arseneau [mailto:larseneau@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 9:47 AM To: ILSTANNE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILSTANNE] spelling surnames - whew! Hi Frances, Marie's last name would be pronounced in French as "P-eye-Y-aye" however it is spelled. The original surname was spelled "Paillé". Les ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frances Powell" <bob.powell2@comcast.net> To: <ILSTANNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 12:49 PM Subject: RE: [ILSTANNE] spelling surnames - whew! > Ginny, > I know you're right - and Ladoux doesn't bother me because I know from > childhood how to pronounce it no matter how it's spelled. What has me > confused, since I don't speak French, is how to pronounce Marie's last > name. > The various spellings coming from official documents and written records > are: > Paille, Palle, Paillain, Parlle, Payai, Payey, Pailline, Padlen, Payer, > Paye, Payet and Payette. > With your knowledge of pronouncing French names, what would be your best > guess how Marie's last name MIGHT be pronounced? > Also, do you have any idea how I might go about finding out who her > parents > were? And I understand that she had one brother, who was killed in an > accident. (This is my mother's mother's mother's line, so I am especially > interested in tracing Marie's heritage.) > Frances > > -----Original Message----- > From: VCrawf@aol.com [mailto:VCrawf@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:11 PM > To: ILSTANNE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ILSTANNE] spelling surnames - whew! > > In a message dated 4/27/2005 11:14:42 AM Pacific Standard Time, > bob.powell2@comcast.net writes: > of Jean Baptiste Ladoux's name. (He spelled it with an a in later > life) What I'm not sure of is: (a) how the record keepers could have > mispelled it, and (b) Marie's name. > +++++++++++++++++ > > Almost the first rule of genealogy is "don't sweat the spelling!" there > was > no such thing as a right or wrong way to spell a surname for a very long > time > - as long as it was clear who was meant, that is. Most of the records we > have for our ancestors show their names SPELLED BY SOMEONE ELSE when they > spoke > the names to that person. Since our St. Anne peole spoke French as their > first language and they were often speaking to native Egnish-speakers . . > . > the > fact that they worked with different phonetic values for each letter > resulted > in many inconsistencies. . . > > to put it mildly! > > Not to metntion that many of our ancestors and their contemporaries did > not > read or write easily - they had often gorwn up on remote farms where > little > schooling was available. > > So the classic advice has been to go with the flow of the variant > spellings > as long as you can make some phonetic connection - and use other indicia > such > as birth dates, parents, marriage dates, etc., to ascertain if you are on > the > right track or not. > > The LEDOUX, LEBLOW, LEBEAU, LADOUX, etc variants - and the PAYET, PAYETTE, > PAILLE, etc variants referenced in this recent exchange are cases in > point. > > Whew! This genealogy stuff is HARD WORK. > > Salut to all! > > Ginny Crawford > list admin > > > ==== ILSTANNE Mailing List ==== > Please tell your fellow St. Anne area researchers about this list. To > join, > an interested person should send an eMail to > ILSTANNE-L-request@rootsweb.com > with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line or message box. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta > rgetid=5429 > > > > ==== ILSTANNE Mailing List ==== > You can search or browse through 8.6 million posts on combined > Ancestry.com and RootsWeb MESSAGE BOARDS at: > http:boards.ancestry.com/ > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > ==== ILSTANNE Mailing List ==== Please tell your fellow St. Anne area researchers about this list. To join, an interested person should send an eMail to ILSTANNE-L-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line or message box. ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429