In a message dated 11/4/2005 8:25:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, gboivin@telusplanet.net writes: Where would you put an S in Achille _____________ Some researchers persist in putting an S at the end of the name ACHILLE when it is found as a French given name - thus making it. . . . ACHILLES, the name of a legendary Greek hero who did great deeds at the siege of Troy and otherwise. As we know, his name is pronounced ACK-KILL-EASE. The CH in that and many other words of Greek ancestry (Christ, orchestra) is pronounced like the English K. My great great grandfather, however, was Achille (AH-SHEAL) Chiniquy. Definitely, CH as in "chiffon" and no S !!! Thanks for your comments. This stuff is always fun! Best regards, Ginny

Okay... You got me.... Where would you put an S in Achille ? AWE-SHIY - I as in ship... Y as in buy The CH in French is same as SH in English I have 53 Achille in my database but no S I have 6 Archille in my database but no S Over half these guys were called Archie ----- Original Message ----- From: <VCrawf@aol.com> To: <ILSTANNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [ILSTANNE] Gelineau - Achille > In a message dated 11/2/2005 10:42:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, > nancy@themallings.com writes: > and I believe Achille (misspelled) age 12. but no parents > > _____________________________ > Hi. Nancy - I believe that is correct for ACHILLE - no S. I have several in > my Chiniquy family and birth records, etc. also show no S. > > Regards; > > Ginny >

In a message dated 11/2/2005 10:42:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, nancy@themallings.com writes: and I believe Achille (misspelled) age 12. but no parents _____________________________ Hi. Nancy - I believe that is correct for ACHILLE - no S. I have several in my Chiniquy family and birth records, etc. also show no S. Regards; Ginny

Well I solved my own puzzle.... Pierre Gelino is listed with his son Henry in the 1880 census as Peter Deleno age 76 in Shirley, Cloud County, Kansas. If you look carefully at the on line image the census taker did list his last name as Geleno but unfortunately the on line search for this record is spelled Deleno. I never knew there was a son Henry until I read this will. Thanks again. I also found the 3 young children of Pierre and Adeline in an 1870 census IL Iroquois County township Papineau. It shows Henry age 4, George age 10, and I believe Achille (misspelled) age 12. but no parents....They are in the household of an older Canadian couple Lewis and Adele Fertier??? Does anyone have a date and place of death for Pierre and/or Adeline? Thanks again, Nancy

yes I did and I thank you from the bottom of my heart! Nancy Nancyasews@aol.com wrote: >Wondering if Nancy received obit from library for Adele Sanche? nancy > > >==== ILSTANNE Mailing List ==== >It is a good idea to send your unanswered inquiries to the list several times a year so new listers can see them. > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > >

Wondering if Nancy received obit from library for Adele Sanche? nancy

Well I solved my own puzzle.... Pierre is listed with his son Henry in the 1880 census as Peter Deleno age 76 in Shirley, Cloud County, Kansas. If you look carefully at the on line image the census taker did list his last name as Geleno but unfortunately the on line search for this record is spelled Deleno. I never knew there was a son Henry until I read this will. Thanks again. I also found the 3 young childen of Pierre and Adeline in an 1870 census IL Iroquois County township Papineau. It shows Henry age 4, George age 10, and I believe Achille (misspelled) age 12. but no parents....They are in the household of an older Canadian couple Lewis and Adele Fertier??? Do you have a date and place of death for Pierre and/or Adeline? . Thanks again, Nancy Nancy Malling wrote: > Please clarify. Is this Pierre the father of Octavie, Hubert, Peter > etc. ? I have searched high and low for a census after the 1860 IL > census to find where pierre and Adeline went> > Thanks. > Nancy Malling > BChase wrote: > >> I have recently had the opportunity to go through papers of my >> grandfather who was the son of Joseph and Helene (Gelineau) Bastien. >> Among the papers is the original Last Will & Testatment of Pierre >> Gelineau, Power of Attorney made by his Chicago descendants, and a >> Letter of Guardianship. My comments are in brackets [ ]. >> >> Here is a partial transcript of the LWT [there is no punctuation at >> all]: >> >> In the name of God Amen I Peter Gillineau of Shirley Township >> Cloud County Kansas being of sound mind and disposing memory and >> knowing the uncertainty of life do make and ordain and publish and >> declare this my Last Will and Testament in manner and form >> following...that my just debts and funeral expenses be paid as soon >> after my decease conviently may be >> I give and devise to my son Henry and to my daughter Neldore share >> and share alike and to the survivers of them should either of them >> depart this life before my decease homested the southeast quarter of >> Section Thirty two of Township Six South of Range One West in Cloud >> County Kansas to have to hold. . . I charge upon my said homested >> and upon my said devise the furnishing to my daughter Agness so long >> as she may remain unmarried and may desire to live upon my said >> homested suitable lodging food clothing and medical attendence and >> missing during sickness to be supplyd there and where else >> As to the rest residue and remainder of my estate...which I now >> own or may own at the time of my decease I give devise and bequeath >> the same to my son Henry but should my son Henry depart this life >> before my decease I give devise and bequeath the same to my said son >> Francois Pierre [Nademse?] Herbert (called Emery) Achille and George >> equal parts >> I direct that my son Henry receive such an education as his >> guardian hereinafter named shall deem proper and shal be warented by >> the estate I leave to him >> I hereby nominate and appoint my friend Joseph Dumas ['friend >> Joseph Dumas' is crossed out] sole executor and guardian...of the >> estate of my said son Henry and of my said daughter Neldore and as I >> have the utmost confidence in him I desire that Letters issued to >> him with out bonds being required of him >> In testamony whereof I have caused my name to be signed at the end >> of this my last Will and Testament at Concordia Cloud County Kansas >> this the first day October anno Domini one thousand eight hundred >> ['seventy eight or eighty' both are crossed out] >> Peter >> Gillineau >> by L. J. >> Crans >> [no witnesses] >> >> >> 6 Feb 1882 - the Will was certified and recorded with the Probate >> Judge of Cloud Co., KS >> >> 19 Oct 1880 - the following people signed a Power of Attorney >> appointing Joseph O. Bastien of Cook Co., IL to "proceed to collect >> for us all our shares, profits and benefits coming to us from the >> estate of Pierre Gelino, lately deceased. . ." Helene Bastien (born >> Gelino), Agnes Gelino, Octavie Sanche (born Gelino), Achilles Gelino, >> Delda Gelino, all of the city of Chicago. . . >> 16 Mar 1881 - Probate Court of Cook Co., IL appointed Joseph O. >> Bastien guardian of the estate of Henry Gelineau, aged 14 years on >> the 4th day of August, 1880. >> >> Feb 1882 - a letter written by the Probate Judge of Cloud Co., KS >> to Joseph Bastien of Chicago, "Dear Sir, I find there was a Last Will >> and Testament of Peter Gilineau admitted to Probate on the 11th day >> of June 1880 and on the same day Henry Gillineau heir and devise of >> Peter Gillinuau deceased...his petition asking that [Phi---?] Boyer >> be appointed his said Guardian...said Boyer consented and was duly >> appointed. . . " >> >> I wonder: >> >> Is Francois, the son mentioned in the LWT, the Frank Gelino of >> Kankakee that married Eunice Gregoire? Is he the father of Meddie >> Gelino of St. Anne (born in 1875) who died in April 1966? >> >> Hope this helps someone. >> >> Barbara Chase >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== ILSTANNE Mailing List ==== >> To scan a remarkable collection of lists and webpages related to >> genealogy, go to: http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/internet.html >> Once there, click on "mailing lists", then select the category you >> want, then the location or surname. Voila! >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Malling" <nancy@themallings.com> To: <ILSTANNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [ILSTANNE] Estate of Pierre Gelineau > Please clarify. Is this Pierre the father of Octavie, Hubert, Peter etc. ? > I have searched high and low for a census after the 1860 IL census to > find where pierre and Adeline went> > Thanks. > Nancy Malling >> >> >>YES. >> Barbara > > > > ==== ILSTANNE Mailing List ==== > You can search or browse through 8.6 million posts on combined > Ancestry.com and RootsWeb MESSAGE BOARDS at: http:boards.ancestry.com/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Please clarify. Is this Pierre the father of Octavie, Hubert, Peter etc. ? I have searched high and low for a census after the 1860 IL census to find where pierre and Adeline went> Thanks. Nancy Malling BChase wrote: >I have recently had the opportunity to go through papers of my grandfather who was the son of Joseph and Helene (Gelineau) Bastien. Among the papers is the original Last Will & Testatment of Pierre Gelineau, Power of Attorney made by his Chicago descendants, and a Letter of Guardianship. My comments are in brackets [ ]. > >Here is a partial transcript of the LWT [there is no punctuation at all]: > > In the name of God Amen I Peter Gillineau of Shirley Township Cloud County Kansas being of sound mind and disposing memory and knowing the uncertainty of life do make and ordain and publish and declare this my Last Will and Testament in manner and form following...that my just debts and funeral expenses be paid as soon after my decease conviently may be > I give and devise to my son Henry and to my daughter Neldore share and share alike and to the survivers of them should either of them depart this life before my decease homested the southeast quarter of Section Thirty two of Township Six South of Range One West in Cloud County Kansas to have to hold. . . > I charge upon my said homested and upon my said devise the furnishing to my daughter Agness so long as she may remain unmarried and may desire to live upon my said homested suitable lodging food clothing and medical attendence and missing during sickness to be supplyd there and where else > As to the rest residue and remainder of my estate...which I now own or may own at the time of my decease I give devise and bequeath the same to my son Henry but should my son Henry depart this life before my decease I give devise and bequeath the same to my said son Francois Pierre [Nademse?] Herbert (called Emery) Achille and George equal parts > I direct that my son Henry receive such an education as his guardian hereinafter named shall deem proper and shal be warented by the estate I leave to him > I hereby nominate and appoint my friend Joseph Dumas ['friend Joseph Dumas' is crossed out] sole executor and guardian...of the estate of my said son Henry and of my said daughter Neldore and as I have the utmost confidence in him I desire that Letters issued to him with out bonds being required of him > In testamony whereof I have caused my name to be signed at the end of this my last Will and Testament at Concordia Cloud County Kansas this the first day October anno Domini one thousand eight hundred ['seventy eight or eighty' both are crossed out] > Peter Gillineau > by L. J. Crans >[no witnesses] > > >6 Feb 1882 - the Will was certified and recorded with the Probate Judge of Cloud Co., KS > >19 Oct 1880 - the following people signed a Power of Attorney appointing Joseph O. Bastien of Cook Co., IL to "proceed to collect for us all our shares, profits and benefits coming to us from the estate of Pierre Gelino, lately deceased. . ." Helene Bastien (born Gelino), Agnes Gelino, Octavie Sanche (born Gelino), Achilles Gelino, Delda Gelino, all of the city of Chicago. . . > >16 Mar 1881 - Probate Court of Cook Co., IL appointed Joseph O. Bastien guardian of the estate of Henry Gelineau, aged 14 years on the 4th day of August, 1880. > >Feb 1882 - a letter written by the Probate Judge of Cloud Co., KS to Joseph Bastien of Chicago, "Dear Sir, I find there was a Last Will and Testament of Peter Gilineau admitted to Probate on the 11th day of June 1880 and on the same day Henry Gillineau heir and devise of Peter Gillinuau deceased...his petition asking that [Phi---?] Boyer be appointed his said Guardian...said Boyer consented and was duly appointed. . . " > >I wonder: > >Is Francois, the son mentioned in the LWT, the Frank Gelino of Kankakee that married Eunice Gregoire? Is he the father of Meddie Gelino of St. Anne (born in 1875) who died in April 1966? > >Hope this helps someone. > >Barbara Chase > > > > > > > > > >==== ILSTANNE Mailing List ==== >To scan a remarkable collection of lists and webpages related to genealogy, go to: http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/internet.html >Once there, click on "mailing lists", then select the category you want, then the location or surname. Voila! > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > >

Thanks Barbara, My info matches yours. I am still adding to my information on this line and the Sanche line. As you know I am related by way of Octave Gelino who was the sister of Peter, Hubert, etc. She married Aurel/Orel Sanche. I have finally found the connection that solves the puzzle of when and how Aurel and his sister Adele migrated to Kankakee. Please let me know if this is of interest to you. Nancy Malling BChase wrote: > I have just gone to your website where you have posted census records > for Peter Gelino. The Peter Gelino listed in the 1880 Census (pt. 1 & > 2) in Kankakee is the son of Pierre Gelineau. This Peter Gelino was > married to Anna Bastien. They are the aunt and uncle of my grandfather. > > Barbara Chase > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alyska Bailey" <alyska@gmail.com> > To: <ILSTANNE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 6:34 PM > Subject: Re: [ILSTANNE] GELINO - GELINEAU. > > > >> right now, the vital records i have listed for my gelino relatives are >> archived on my genealogy site here: >> >> http://www.alyska.net/genealogy/baileyrecords.html >> >> (this is my paternal side.) >> >> if anyone else has information, please let me know! >> >> >> -- >> alyska. >> ----------- >> http://www.alyska.net >> >> >> ==== ILSTANNE Mailing List ==== >> Courtesy is the key to list relationships. Please send thanks ON the >> list to those who have helped you. Our listers are so smart and >> generous - it's nice to see them thanked publicly. >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> > > > ==== ILSTANNE Mailing List ==== > It is a good idea to send your unanswered inquiries to the list > several times a year so new listers can see them. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

I have just gone to your website where you have posted census records for Peter Gelino. The Peter Gelino listed in the 1880 Census (pt. 1 & 2) in Kankakee is the son of Pierre Gelineau. This Peter Gelino was married to Anna Bastien. They are the aunt and uncle of my grandfather. Barbara Chase ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alyska Bailey" <alyska@gmail.com> To: <ILSTANNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [ILSTANNE] GELINO - GELINEAU. > right now, the vital records i have listed for my gelino relatives are > archived on my genealogy site here: > > http://www.alyska.net/genealogy/baileyrecords.html > > (this is my paternal side.) > > if anyone else has information, please let me know! > > > -- > alyska. > ----------- > http://www.alyska.net > > > ==== ILSTANNE Mailing List ==== > Courtesy is the key to list relationships. Please send thanks ON the list > to those who have helped you. Our listers are so smart and generous - > it's nice to see them thanked publicly. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

I have recently had the opportunity to go through papers of my grandfather who was the son of Joseph and Helene (Gelineau) Bastien. Among the papers is the original Last Will & Testatment of Pierre Gelineau, Power of Attorney made by his Chicago descendants, and a Letter of Guardianship. My comments are in brackets [ ]. Here is a partial transcript of the LWT [there is no punctuation at all]: In the name of God Amen I Peter Gillineau of Shirley Township Cloud County Kansas being of sound mind and disposing memory and knowing the uncertainty of life do make and ordain and publish and declare this my Last Will and Testament in manner and form following...that my just debts and funeral expenses be paid as soon after my decease conviently may be I give and devise to my son Henry and to my daughter Neldore share and share alike and to the survivers of them should either of them depart this life before my decease homested the southeast quarter of Section Thirty two of Township Six South of Range One West in Cloud County Kansas to have to hold. . . I charge upon my said homested and upon my said devise the furnishing to my daughter Agness so long as she may remain unmarried and may desire to live upon my said homested suitable lodging food clothing and medical attendence and missing during sickness to be supplyd there and where else As to the rest residue and remainder of my estate...which I now own or may own at the time of my decease I give devise and bequeath the same to my son Henry but should my son Henry depart this life before my decease I give devise and bequeath the same to my said son Francois Pierre [Nademse?] Herbert (called Emery) Achille and George equal parts I direct that my son Henry receive such an education as his guardian hereinafter named shall deem proper and shal be warented by the estate I leave to him I hereby nominate and appoint my friend Joseph Dumas ['friend Joseph Dumas' is crossed out] sole executor and guardian...of the estate of my said son Henry and of my said daughter Neldore and as I have the utmost confidence in him I desire that Letters issued to him with out bonds being required of him In testamony whereof I have caused my name to be signed at the end of this my last Will and Testament at Concordia Cloud County Kansas this the first day October anno Domini one thousand eight hundred ['seventy eight or eighty' both are crossed out] Peter Gillineau by L. J. Crans [no witnesses] 6 Feb 1882 - the Will was certified and recorded with the Probate Judge of Cloud Co., KS 19 Oct 1880 - the following people signed a Power of Attorney appointing Joseph O. Bastien of Cook Co., IL to "proceed to collect for us all our shares, profits and benefits coming to us from the estate of Pierre Gelino, lately deceased. . ." Helene Bastien (born Gelino), Agnes Gelino, Octavie Sanche (born Gelino), Achilles Gelino, Delda Gelino, all of the city of Chicago. . . 16 Mar 1881 - Probate Court of Cook Co., IL appointed Joseph O. Bastien guardian of the estate of Henry Gelineau, aged 14 years on the 4th day of August, 1880. Feb 1882 - a letter written by the Probate Judge of Cloud Co., KS to Joseph Bastien of Chicago, "Dear Sir, I find there was a Last Will and Testament of Peter Gilineau admitted to Probate on the 11th day of June 1880 and on the same day Henry Gillineau heir and devise of Peter Gillinuau deceased...his petition asking that [Phi---?] Boyer be appointed his said Guardian...said Boyer consented and was duly appointed. . . " I wonder: Is Francois, the son mentioned in the LWT, the Frank Gelino of Kankakee that married Eunice Gregoire? Is he the father of Meddie Gelino of St. Anne (born in 1875) who died in April 1966? Hope this helps someone. Barbara Chase

My ggrandfather's name was Ludger BOURELLE and it was listed as Eugene in marriage licenses. He was called Jerry. Ann Brinkman Aniello ----- Original Message ----- From: <ILSTANNE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <ILSTANNE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:00 PM Subject: ILSTANNE-D Digest V05 #73

In a message dated 10/24/05 9:46:42 PM Central Daylight Time, jfarnen@acegroup.cc writes: > - and have been trying to figure out how to correctly spell a name that has > really got me stumped....Ulger/Eugere/Euchère > Join the crowd. Spelling is one of the most difficult problems in genealogy. We often find dozens of different spellings for the same person. There is a site that lists French 1st names: http://www.cafe.rapidus.net/jhuriaux/femmesa.html (females) http://www.cafe.rapidus.net/jhuriaux/hommese.html (males) Here are the EUG entries...but there are many more EU entries: Eugène Eugéniel Eugénien Eugénio Eugénius Eugère Eugérie Eugésippe Possibilities under U: Ulgère I would go along with Ginny that your FC relative was most likely a Eugene in the USA. Many times they Amercanized their French names to something that was not even close to their original name. Guess they just picked a name they happened to liked. Audrey Peters Oak Lawn, IL

Bonsoir, Ulger could be Ludger which was sometime pronounced Ludgère. Euchère is a well written name. Never seen Eugere, but could it be Eugène ? Raymond Ouimet Gatineau ----- Message d'origine ----- De : "jfarnen" <jfarnen@acegroup.cc> À : <ILSTANNE-L@rootsweb.com> Envoyé : 24 octobre, 2005 22:46 Objet : [ILSTANNE] Need help with name spelling > Hello, > > I'm new to the St. Anne mailing list. I've been working on my family > history, many of whom came from St. Anne - and have been trying to > figure out how to correctly spell a name that has really got me stumped. > > The name appears three times in my family tree - however, the spellings > that I have come across are all radically different, and it is an > unusual name: Ulger/Eugere/Euchère. It is a man's name - two of my > family bore this name as their "middle" name, one as the "first" name. > > Has anyone ever come across this name before in their family histories? > > Does anyone have an opinion about the correct spelling? > > My guess is that spelling #1 - Ulger - can't be correct. Spelling # 3 - > Euchère - seems the most "French" sounding . The spelling Ulger came > from Fr. Chiniquy's baptismal records, though, while the other spellings > came from census records, which might be less reliably authentic. > > Of course, maybe they are really three different names altogether. > > I would greatly appreciate the thoughts of anyone on the mailing list. > > Thanks - > > John Farnen (descendant of André Changnon, St. Anne, IL) > > > > > ==== ILSTANNE Mailing List ==== > To scan a remarkable collection of lists and webpages related to genealogy, go to: http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/internet.html > Once there, click on "mailing lists", then select the category you want, then the location or surname. Voila! > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Sounds good to me. Many of the names are hard to understand. I did an advanced search on the 1860 census for Kankakee county, Illinois, leaving the surname and first name blank. I just asked for all white males born in Canada that lived in Kankakee county in 1860. There were 988 of them. I then had them ordered in the list by given name alphabetically. All whose name started with an 'E' would be on the same page or two. Remember that these are all indexed by someone unfamiliar with many of these 'foreign' names from almost illegible script. Here are the given names that start with an 'E' in the index Just for an example. I can guess at a few of the original spellings, but will have to leave others as is. Ebro BRUNO aged 50 (?) Ebro BRUNO aged 22 (?) There are 9 men with the given name of Edward. Egnes MANOR aged 22 (Ignace) Egzet JURANT aged 27 (?) Elair TOWNSEND aged 43 (?) Elam RASSETT aged 30 (?) 5 men named Eli and one Elie and one Eloi Elmer MARCOTT Emgele RENEAU aged 38 (?) Enos ROSETTE aged 60 (I have seen this one to be from Ignace) Eppollet BRASSAUX age 21 (?) Erna LIMER aged 45 (?) 9 men with versions of Etienne (Etieme Etiene Etime Ettan Ettime Ettine) Eubert Brovo aged 27 (Hubert) Eunasus Russet aged 56 (another Ignace?) Eusebe TITRAULT aged 46 (Correct?) Eusep FIFE aged 40 (another Eusebe?) Exavier COUTEHORNE age 36 (?) Exeun LEWBINS age 36 (?) -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boivin [mailto:gboivin@telusplanet.net] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 11:00 PM To: ILSTANNE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILSTANNE] Need help with name spelling Well... In my database I have: 4 Uldege 13 Ulderic (don't look like it) 9 Eucher (3 of them used Eugene) ----- Original Message ----- From: "jfarnen" <jfarnen@acegroup.cc> To: <ILSTANNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:46 PM Subject: [ILSTANNE] Need help with name spelling

In a message dated 10/24/2005 7:46:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, jfarnen@acegroup.cc writes: Ulger/Eugere/Euchère. It is a man's name - two of my family bore this name as their "middle" name, one as the "first" name. +++++++++++++++++ Welcome! And - how about EUGENE ???

Well... In my database I have: 4 Uldege 13 Ulderic (don't look like it) 9 Eucher (3 of them used Eugene) ----- Original Message ----- From: "jfarnen" <jfarnen@acegroup.cc> To: <ILSTANNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:46 PM Subject: [ILSTANNE] Need help with name spelling > Hello, > > I'm new to the St. Anne mailing list. I've been working on my family > history, many of whom came from St. Anne - and have been trying to > figure out how to correctly spell a name that has really got me stumped. > > The name appears three times in my family tree - however, the spellings > that I have come across are all radically different, and it is an > unusual name: Ulger/Eugere/Euchère. It is a man's name - two of my > family bore this name as their "middle" name, one as the "first" name. > > Has anyone ever come across this name before in their family histories? > > Does anyone have an opinion about the correct spelling? > > My guess is that spelling #1 - Ulger - can't be correct. Spelling # 3 - > Euchère - seems the most "French" sounding . The spelling Ulger came > from Fr. Chiniquy's baptismal records, though, while the other spellings > came from census records, which might be less reliably authentic. > > Of course, maybe they are really three different names altogether. > > I would greatly appreciate the thoughts of anyone on the mailing list. > > Thanks - > > John Farnen (descendant of André Changnon, St. Anne, IL) > > > > > ==== ILSTANNE Mailing List ==== > To scan a remarkable collection of lists and webpages related to genealogy, go to: http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/internet.html > Once there, click on "mailing lists", then select the category you want, then the location or surname. Voila! > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hello, I'm new to the St. Anne mailing list. I've been working on my family history, many of whom came from St. Anne - and have been trying to figure out how to correctly spell a name that has really got me stumped. The name appears three times in my family tree - however, the spellings that I have come across are all radically different, and it is an unusual name: Ulger/Eugere/Euchère. It is a man's name - two of my family bore this name as their "middle" name, one as the "first" name. Has anyone ever come across this name before in their family histories? Does anyone have an opinion about the correct spelling? My guess is that spelling #1 - Ulger - can't be correct. Spelling # 3 - Euchère - seems the most "French" sounding . The spelling Ulger came from Fr. Chiniquy's baptismal records, though, while the other spellings came from census records, which might be less reliably authentic. Of course, maybe they are really three different names altogether. I would greatly appreciate the thoughts of anyone on the mailing list. Thanks - John Farnen (descendant of André Changnon, St. Anne, IL)

From a small San Francisco newspaper, a lenghty article beginning on page 1) "More Than A Dry Bone "St. Anne Comes to Sacremento "St. Anne, the mother of Mary (and Jesus' grandmother), has come to Roseville; but not all of her, obviously. While her soul rests in heaven, and her relics are scattered here and there, a part of her skull has recently come to rest at California's newest Greek Orthodox church, St. Anna's. "The relic of St. Anne, the "Grandmother of God," are at several places throughout the world: most of her skeleton rests in Germany, while other portions of her remains are in France, Canada, Greece, and Cyprus (her left foot). But the last place one might expect to see any part of her--much less a sizable chunk of her skull--is in one of California's fastest growing suburbs. . . ." (And no mention of the relic of St. Anne, Jesus' memère, at the world famous shrine in St. Anne, Illinois. Hmmmph!)