Hi your rep from Quebec While searching for a book discovered the following resource which could be of interest. http://www.willowbend.net/default.asp Marcel Benoit bunker.books@videotron.ca

buetvsia@netins.net writes: << THANK YOU FOR THE INFO/SITE ADDRESS -- >> Thanks for writing! ALL St. Anne listers: do you know about the wonderful PRDH University of Montreal site??? It covers 1621 through 1799, so it is earlier than our St. Anne ancestors - but of course it includes the ancestors OF our St. Anne ancestors, so it is wonderfully useful in our researches. I have <<< http://www.genealogy.umontreal.ca/en/default.htm >> as the URL, but I think this will land you already into it. If someone has the URL for the home page, please post it. Thanks. Cheers! Ginny list admin - ILSTANNE-L VCrawf@aol.com

Ginny -- THANK YOU FOR THE INFO/SITE ADDRESS -- I have spent the last few hours there and WOW! Had no idea this site was available. I will have to go back again and again!!!!!!!!! (and not just for Gelino !) Thank you is so inadequate - but THANK YOU! VICKIE Franker BUETTNER -----Original Message----- From: VCrawf@aol.com [SMTP:VCrawf@aol.com] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:33 AM To: ILSTANNE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILSTANNE] GELINO Q and PRDH database In a message dated 3/10/2000 6:09:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, buetvsia@netins.net writes: > Does anyone else have any other information on the surname of :GELINEAU?? > Am wondering if it could somehow be connected to the surname of GELINO that > I am researching??? Hello, everyone: here's some information about a research site you may not all be aware of. And Vickie - here's cheering news for you (or, an embarrassment of riches, perhaps) ! On reading Vickie's inquiry, I went to the University of Montreal database for Quebec in 1621-1799. If you do not know this site ("PRDH"), you will probably want to add it to your address list. It is great! The U has extracted and recorded every Quebec surname that could be found in legal documents (BMD, land transfers, etc.) of that time period. You can see the text of each document on which your target name appears for a small fee (about $15 US per month for maybe 50 such inquiries). But you can log on AT NO CHARGE to see whether there are any entries for your target name, before you sign up. [ Web-address below.] A nice bonus is the VARIANT list - for example, I asked the site to find me the so-called "standard name" and any other variants for GELINO - and lo, here's what came up: Standard name Variant Freq. GELINEAU EGELINEAU 2 GELINEAU GELINAU 26 GELINEAU GELINAUD 1 GELINEAU GELINAUDE 1 GELINEAU GELINAUT 9 GELINEAU GELINAUX 9 GELINEAU GELINEAU 226 GELINEAU GELINEAUX 3 GELINEAU GELINO 236 GELINEAU GELINOT 203 GELINEAU GELINOTTE 2 GELINEAU GELLINAU 1 GELINEAU GELLINEAU 2 GELINEAU GELNOT 1 GELINEAU GELONAUT 1 GELINEAU GENILAUDE 1 GELINEAU GENILEAU 3 GELINEAU GILINAUT 2 GELINEAU GILINEAU 1 GELINEAU GILINO 3 The address of the page on which this appeared is http://www.genealogy.umontreal.ca/en/public/Rech_Nom.asp?N=GELINO The address of the home page is: http://www.genealogy.umontreal.ca/en/default.htm Cheers! er - Salut! Ginny Virginia Crawford List Amin - ILSTANNE-L@rootsweb.com VCrawf@aol.com ============================== Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. http://pml.rootsweb.com/ Brought to you by RootsWeb.com.

here is a good site for ordering genealogy supplies, blank charts etc. Dick LeSage http://genealogy.koolhost.com

No problem Audrey - and glad Ardis is back with us! Vickie Buettner (Franker, Francoeur, Bodric, Gelino, Delibac, Marion, Paradis) -----Original Message----- From: NiteOwl226@aol.com [SMTP:NiteOwl226@aol.com] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 2:16 PM To: ILSTANNE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ILSTANNE] Test Letter Ardis Boone has returned from her vacation. She "subscribed" again to the list but has not received any St Anne messages. I offered to send this message just to she if she will receive it. Sorry for any inconvenience to the rest of our list members. Audrey ============================== Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

In a message dated 3/4/2000 8:20:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, you wrote: << Thanks for your note! I loved the article - although like so much else about Chiniquy, I am not convinced of its accuracy. The "musicians, parrots, pet dogs and all" bit is a marvelous touch - right? >> Nah - I don't think Lincoln represented Chiniquy in the first trial, for one thing! We'll just keep collecting this stuff, and maybe some day the real facts will surface.

Ardis Boone has returned from her vacation. She "subscribed" again to the list but has not received any St Anne messages. I offered to send this message just to she if she will receive it. Sorry for any inconvenience to the rest of our list members. Audrey

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Audrey......thank you for sharing this with us. How very true. I've sent a copy to several friends and told them not to dilly-dally about writing their life story....to just do it!!! It's important. Myrna

Wonderful Audrey! I love it! Linda In a message dated 3/27/00 2:37:26 AM EST, NiteOwl226@aol.com writes: << Subject: Genealogy - Your Legacy - 101 I had a philosophy professor who was the quintessential eccentric philosopher. His disheveled appearance was highlighted by a well-worn tweed sport coat and poor-fitting thick glasses, which often rested on the tip of his nose. Every now and then, as most philosophy professors do, he would go off on one of those esoteric and existential "what's the meaning of life" discussions. Many of those discussions went nowhere, but there were a few that really hit home. This was one of them: "Respond to the following questions by a show of hands," my professor instructed. "How many of you can tell me something about your parents?" Everyone's hand went up. "How many of you can tell me something about your grandparents?" About three-fourths of the class raised their hands. "How many of you can tell me something about your great-grandparents?" Two out of sixty students raised their hands. "Look around the room," he said. "In just two short generations hardly any of us even know who our own great-grandparents were. Oh sure, maybe we have an old, tattered photograph tucked away in a musty cigar box or know the classic family story about how one of them walked 5 miles to school barefoot. But how many of us really know who they were, what they thought, what they were proud of, what they were afraid of, or what they dreamed about? Think about that. Within three generations our ancestors are all but forgotten. Will this happen to you? "Here's a better question. Look ahead three generations. You are long gone. Instead of you sitting in this room, now it's your great-grandchildren. What will they have to say about you? Will they know about you? Or will you be remembered, or forgotten, too? "Is your life going to be a warning or an example? What legacy will you have? The choice is yours. Class dismissed." >>

In a message dated 3/27/00 2:37:26 AM EST, NiteOwl226@aol.com writes: << Subject: Genealogy - Your Legacy - 101 I had a philosophy professor who was the quintessential eccentric philosopher. His disheveled appearance was highlighted by a well-worn tweed sport coat and poor-fitting thick glasses, which often rested on the tip of his nose. Every now and then, as most philosophy professors do, he would go off on one of those esoteric and existential "what's the meaning of life" discussions. Many of those discussions went nowhere, but there were a few that really hit home. This was one of them: "Respond to the following questions by a show of hands," my professor instructed. "How many of you can tell me something about your parents?" Everyone's hand went up. "How many of you can tell me something about your grandparents?" About three-fourths of the class raised their hands. "How many of you can tell me something about your great-grandparents?" Two out of sixty students raised their hands. "Look around the room," he said. "In just two short generations hardly any of us even know who our own great-grandparents were. Oh sure, maybe we have an old, tattered photograph tucked away in a musty cigar box or know the classic family story about how one of them walked 5 miles to school barefoot. But how many of us really know who they were, what they thought, what they were proud of, what they were afraid of, or what they dreamed about? Think about that. Within three generations our ancestors are all but forgotten. Will this happen to you? "Here's a better question. Look ahead three generations. You are long gone. Instead of you sitting in this room, now it's your great-grandchildren. What will they have to say about you? Will they know about you? Or will you be remembered, or forgotten, too? "Is your life going to be a warning or an example? What legacy will you have? The choice is yours. Class dismissed." >>

A sad thought to ponder....Audrey Subject: Genealogy - Your Legacy - 101 I had a philosophy professor who was the quintessential eccentric philosopher. His disheveled appearance was highlighted by a well-worn tweed sport coat and poor-fitting thick glasses, which often rested on the tip of his nose. Every now and then, as most philosophy professors do, he would go off on one of those esoteric and existential "what's the meaning of life" discussions. Many of those discussions went nowhere, but there were a few that really hit home. This was one of them: "Respond to the following questions by a show of hands," my professor instructed. "How many of you can tell me something about your parents?" Everyone's hand went up. "How many of you can tell me something about your grandparents?" About three-fourths of the class raised their hands. "How many of you can tell me something about your great-grandparents?" Two out of sixty students raised their hands. "Look around the room," he said. "In just two short generations hardly any of us even know who our own great-grandparents were. Oh sure, maybe we have an old, tattered photograph tucked away in a musty cigar box or know the classic family story about how one of them walked 5 miles to school barefoot. But how many of us really know who they were, what they thought, what they were proud of, what they were afraid of, or what they dreamed about? Think about that. Within three generations our ancestors are all but forgotten. Will this happen to you? "Here's a better question. Look ahead three generations. You are long gone. Instead of you sitting in this room, now it's your great-grandchildren. What will they have to say about you? Will they know about you? Or will you be remembered, or forgotten, too? "Is your life going to be a warning or an example? What legacy will you have? The choice is yours. Class dismissed."

Thanks it is a great site but I was unable to find the info I want from Indiana Marriage information. ----- Original Message ----- From: <VCrawf@aol.com> To: <ILSTANNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 3:50 PM Subject: [ILSTANNE] archived messages > meelhart@email.msn.com writes: > > << would you please sent that information to meelhart@msn.com . >> > > Hello, Marilyn and all. Here is an important address for everyone to note: > Uncle RootsWeb (what a guy!) is kindly storing all our messages in an > archive, and there is a special search engine which will locate certain names > and locations (for example, Denault - or Indiana) within the messages. Go > to: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/list-index.html > > and you'll see what I mean. It's fabulous! > > Cheers to all, > > Ginny > > List Admin - ILSTANNE-L@rootsweb.com > VCrawf@aol.com > > > ============================== > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >

Help I deleted information that some of you had sent regarding record access for people who had lived in Indiana or moved there from Illinois. I just found out that my gr.grmo had lived there and probably married there so would you please sent that information to meelhart@msn.com . Thanks for you help. Marilyn

meelhart@email.msn.com writes: << would you please sent that information to meelhart@msn.com . >> Hello, Marilyn and all. Here is an important address for everyone to note: Uncle RootsWeb (what a guy!) is kindly storing all our messages in an archive, and there is a special search engine which will locate certain names and locations (for example, Denault - or Indiana) within the messages. Go to: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/list-index.html and you'll see what I mean. It's fabulous! Cheers to all, Ginny List Admin - ILSTANNE-L@rootsweb.com VCrawf@aol.com

Audrey and Holly: it is great to have this link to the 1st Presbyterian Church - thank you! Why not suggest to the Rev. Martinez that he may want to sign onto the ILSTANNE list, as many of the list subscribers are descended from the original members of his church? ILSTANNE listers: the other links shown on the Presby page are also excellent - check 'em out! Don't miss the Kankakee Valley Genie Society site (our member Marcia Stang is el Presidente) and the St. Anne list pages (our member Lee Ann Hollenbeck has master-minded these) - information awaits! Ginny Virginia Crawford list admin - ILSTANNE-L VCrawf@aol.com

Thought I'd pass on this excellent article. He does a better job than I do of pointing out the pitfalls of web genealogy. Audrey EASY GENEALOGY VIA THE INTERNET -- BE CAREFUL by Gordon Johnson, Aberdeen, Scotland <Kinman@ifb.co.uk> It seems at first sight heartening to read of tales of people finding their family links through WorldConnect and other Internet resources. What worries me is when people say that by this means they found their ancestry right back to the 1500s or 1400s. I shudder at this assumption that what you find on the Internet will be accurate. Most of it is posted by amateurs who have done their research to the best of their ability, but do not necessarily use the standards of proof that professional genealogists and dedicated amateurs would apply. It is a sad fact that very few genealogies ever lead back into the 1500s or 1400s on the basis of provable fact. The few which do are always of royal or noble family descent, and even there the evidence for some of their genealogical links is tenuous. May I make the point that you can never research your family properly by simply copying someone else's results. You are accepting work done by some whose standards may be very sloppy, and so the genealogy may be completely wrong! I am able to say this based on many years as a professional librarian helping people with their research, my later years as a professional researcher, and my involvement in newsgroups and genealogy lists. There is simply no substitute for doing the research properly. If you obtain someone else's research results, establish what sources were used and what level of proof was used in making links. It doesn't matter whether a professional or an amateur is doing the research; what matters are the standards being applied. Many amateurs do a grand job and I happily applaud their work; others make assumptions and guesses due to lack of knowledge, and come up with wrong conclusions. A simple example: An amateur researching his/her Scottish ancestry may use Scots Origins or FamilySearch.org to search for an ancestor, find in both only one possible solution, and decide that this is the answer. What the researcher should realize is that both sources are indexes primarily to Church of Scotland registers, and do not include Roman Catholic, Baptist, Free Church, Congregational, Secession and Relief churches, and the fact that there are many missing or damaged registers resulting in register entries being missing. Being unaware of essential background facts, errors are made and are perpetuated when a wrong genealogy is posted on the Internet and faithfully accepted without question by innocent newcomers. The above is sent not to denigrate, but to allow newcomers to view what they find on the Internet with a clearer vision.

Rev. Filipe Martinez just sent this note about the St Anne 1st Presbyterian Church site. Check it out... Dear Audrey and Holly, Just thought I'd let you know that I have placed all the links you two gave me on the church web page. It's a simple page, but hopefully it will be of help to people doing research. <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/STANNE1ST/genealogy.html"> Genealogy Resources Saint Anne, Illinois</A> http://members.aol.com/STANNE1ST/genealogy.html It was nice of him to take an interest and try to promote our genealogy work. Audrey

Thanks Audrey!! Sometimes I long for the old days of library research, sending out a letter and waiting for it's return with proof of the information, walking the cemeteries, etc. Of course I can still do that... if I can get myself away from the computer. :) Thanks again! Kathye NiteOwl226@aol.com wrote: > Thought I'd pass on this excellent article. He does a better job than I do > of pointing out the pitfalls of web genealogy. Audrey > > EASY GENEALOGY VIA THE INTERNET -- BE CAREFUL > > by Gordon Johnson, Aberdeen, Scotland <Kinman@ifb.co.uk> > > It seems at first sight heartening to read of tales of people finding their > family links through WorldConnect and other Internet resources. What worries > me is when people say that by this means they found their ancestry right back > to the 1500s or > 1400s. I shudder at this assumption that what you find on the Internet will > be accurate. > > Most of it is posted by amateurs who have done their research to the best of > their ability, but do not necessarily use the standards of proof that > professional genealogists and dedicated amateurs would apply. It is a sad > fact that very few genealogies ever lead back into the 1500s or 1400s on the > basis of provable fact. The few which do are always of royal or noble family > descent, and even there the evidence for some of their genealogical links is > tenuous. > > May I make the point that you can never research your family properly by > simply copying someone else's results. You are accepting work done by some > whose standards may be very sloppy, and so the genealogy may be completely > wrong! I am able to say this based on many years as a professional librarian > helping people with their research, my later years as a professional > researcher, and my involvement in newsgroups and genealogy lists. There is > simply no substitute for doing the research > properly. If you obtain someone else's research results, establish what > sources were used and what level of proof was used in making links. > > It doesn't matter whether a professional or an amateur is doing the research; > what matters are the standards being applied. Many amateurs do a grand job > and I happily applaud their work; others make assumptions and guesses due to > lack of knowledge, and come up with wrong conclusions. A simple example: An > amateur > researching his/her Scottish ancestry may use Scots Origins or > FamilySearch.org to search for an ancestor, find in both only one possible > solution, and decide that this is the answer. What the researcher should > realize is that both sources are indexes > primarily to Church of Scotland registers, and do not include Roman Catholic, > Baptist, Free Church, Congregational, Secession and Relief churches, and the > fact that there are many missing or damaged registers resulting in register > entries being missing. Being unaware of essential background facts, errors > are made and are perpetuated when a wrong genealogy is posted on the Internet > and faithfully accepted without question by innocent newcomers. > > The above is sent not to denigrate, but to allow newcomers to > view what they find on the Internet with a clearer vision. > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ -- Kathye Snyder-Knight Carthage, Missouri kathyek@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~kathyek/index.html

Bonjour, STANNE listers - here's a useful new utility from RootsWeb to enable you to find out to which lists you're subscribed, and under which addresses: This came recently from the wonderful folks at RootsWeb: [quote] ANNOUNCING: a brand new FREE service at RootsWeb: Password Central! You can now go to one place and request your passwords and account names, the names of the lists you belong to and the names of the lists you admin. They will be emailed to you in a few minutes, and only you can receive them. If you have used more than one email address since discovering RootsWeb, go back and redo the process for each email address. It's fun and painless. Many of us have printed the results to save, but you can go back any time to re-check your information. Here's Password Central: http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com Please feel free to copy this announcement to spread the word. If you have any questions or suggestions after trying Password Central, please use the special board that's been set up just for this purpose at: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/PasswordCentral [unquote] Many thanks to our PWC Program Developer, Pam :) Clare Peden Midgley, Freepages ListAdmin Freepages Help: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/help.html from Ginny Crawford list admin - ILSTANNE-L VCrawf@aol.com