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There's a 1909 St. Anne High School postcard being auctioned on www.eBay.com (just in case anyone on this list would be interested in having it) Holly

Main Entry: 1cure Pronunciation: 'kyur Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Old French, from Medieval Latin & Latin; Medieval Latin cura, cure of souls, from Latin, care Date: 14th century 1 a : spiritual charge : CARE b : pastoral charge of a parish also: 2 a : recovery or relief from a disease b : something (as a drug or treatment) that cures a disease c : a course or period of treatment <take the cure for alcoholism> d : SPA 3 : a complete or permanent solution or remedy <seeking a cure for unemployment> 4 : a process or method of curing - cure·less /-l&s/ adjective

Main Entry: ar·pent Pronunciation: är-'pän Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural ar·pents /-'pän(z)/ Etymology: Middle French Date: 1580 1 : any of various old French units of land area; especially : one used in French sections of Canada and the U.S. equal to about 0.85 acre (0.34 hectare) 2 : a unit of length equal to one side of a square arpent

In a message dated 5/17/2000 8:12:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jdbs@uslink.net writes: << Do you happen to know a site that has meanings for old words. >> No, but good dictionaries have arcane and obsolete words among the others. Try << http://www.m-w.com/ >> which is the Merriam Webster online dictionary. The Oxford dictionary is also online. What I know without the dictionary (could be wrong): "Cure" is a priest of some sort. "Arpent" is a unit of money. Don't know "sickles". "Signoire" is I think an honorific, something like "M'lord". Put M-W on your bookmark list - you'll find it useful. Foreign words are included if they have or had some use in English. Cheers! Ginny

the word "livre" is used to indicate a monetary unit. Here's what the Merriam Webster online doctionary says: Main Entry: livre Pronunciation: lEvr& Function: noun Etymology: French, from Latin libra, a unit of weight Date [first documented]: 1553 1 : an old French monetary unit equal to 20 sols 2 : a coin representing one livre 3 : the pound of Lebanon

Hi list, In a French Canadian book on ancestors, it says a person was paid 50 livres a year for a salary, and someone else was fined 200 livres for an assault charge. Livres translates to books. How can a person be paid or fined in books? How much does that come to in American money? I know that is a dumb question, but I really would like to know. Can anyone shed some light on this? Thanks, Jerrian

In my French dictionary it states: Livre ten francs a pound. Hope this helps, Elaine in Allyn, WA

Hi Jerriann and everyone, Would this be of any help to you? (From Fr. Charles Chiniquy's Ledger, transcribed by Ardis Boone, a member of the St. Anne List) 4 July 1858 Marie Rose Laramie(?) Born 15 May to Maxime Laramie & Sophie Rives. Godparents: Narcisse Bivau (?) & Sophie Brunatre (?) (transcribers ?'s) Most of the surnames that you have included are mentioned in the Ledger, in case you haven't seen it yet. (Sometimes many times) (Although with a fast search I didn't notice exact matches of the full names.) I believe copies can still be obtained from Ardis. If you need to know more, feel free to contact me directly. Holly    Jerriann wrote: < Hi, In my previous query with 3 puzzels, I had a thought on puzzel #3. Since I cannot find a Therese Reeves or a Jack Laramie, I was wondering if the following scenario could be possible. Could Sophie Reeves (Rives) B: 23 Feb. 1837, Varennes, Quebec, be, Sophie Therese Rives and they called her Therese because her mother's name was Sophie??? Sophie Rives was married to Jack Laramie. Therese was married to Narcisse Laramie. Could Narcisse's name have been Jean-Narcisse Laramie, and shortened to Jack??? Just a thought. Maybe I have 2 people instead of 4. > ==============================

Hi! I just joined the group last night. I've communicated with Virginia a few times, but I had been off of AOL and the internet since Dec, and finally got a new HDD a few weeks ago. So, I'm back! My grandfather is Edward J. HEBERT (he still lives in Bradley) and all of his great-grandparents left Québec in the mid 1800s. His line goes comme ça: key: (in case you need it) StR = St. Rose Church or Cemetery Kkk = Kankakee br. = buried bp. = baptized Brb = Bourbonnais PQ = Québec Province d/o = daughter of s/o = son of b/o = brother of Alfred William HÉBERT (s/o Moïse & Clémentine FORTIER) b. 3 Nov 1884 Kkk, d. 5 Jan 1942 Kkk (br. in unmarked grave at StR). M. 16 Sep 1912 at StR in Kkk to Marie-Belzémire Herméline BOUDREAU (d/o Lucien & Agnès STRODEUR). She was b. 22 Apr 1897 in Union Hill, IL and d. 28 Jul 1985 in Bradley, she is buried out by the old Kmart and Drive-in theatre (forgot the name of the cemetery). They had: Eleanore (b. Mar 1914 Kkk, m. Earl HUBERT of Limestone, d. Mar 1995 Brb), Edward J., and Louise (m. Delmar PRAIRIE). After Alfred died, Herméline married Wesley Emil BOUDREAU (s/o Emil & Laura CHAISSON(sp?), m1. Clara BOUDREAU (d/o Zéphière & Rosanna BOUDREAU?)) in 1942?, and then Ralph ENGLE in 1952. Moïse HÉBERT (s/o Moyse & Marguerite BOUDREAU) b. 1 Jan 1846 St-Valentin, PQ, d. 19 Sep 1919 Kkk bur. at StR. M. 16 Aug 1868 at StR to Clémentine FORTIER (d/o Prudent & Marie-Olive WOLFF). She was b. Nov 1847 prob. Louiseville, PQ, d. 18 Oct 1922 bur. StR. They had: Moïse Henri (bp. 31 Aug 1869 StR, d. 1959, m. 31 Oct 1892 Kkk to Armeline BÉLANGER); Marie-Éciline (bp. 28 Aug 1871 StR, d. 9 Mar 1954 Kkk, m. 31 Aug 1890 Kkk to Edward BOUCHARD); Emma (b. Nov 1874 Kkk, d. 1 Feb 1970 Kkk, m. William WHITE); Arthur ABERT (b. Mar 1879 Kkk, d. 1951, m. Rose BEHRENS WARNER); Homer (b. Dec 1883 Kkk, no other info); Alfred William; & Mary Louise (b. 19 Jan 1887 Kkk, d. 15 Oct 1963 Kkk, m. Frank BOUCHARD b/o Edward BOUCHARD). Lucien BOUDREAU (s/o Charles & Marguerite GAREAU DITE ST-ONGE) b. 2 Mar 1855 PQ or IL, d. 6 May 1920 Kkk, bur. Goodrich Cemetery. M1. 21 Jul 1872 Brb to Agnès STRODEUR (d/o Georges & Martine LaVOIE). She was b. abt 1859 PQ, d. abt. 1909, bur. u/k. They had: George (b. 1875 Brb?, d. 11 Oct 1948 Brb, m. 28 Oct 1896 Brb to Belzémire GERVAIS (d/o Isaac & Marie-Émeline BOUDREAU?)); Zéphière (b. Jan 1878 Union Hill?, d. 9 Jul 1946 Brb, m. Jan 1900 Rosanna BOUDREAU (poss. d/o Joseph & Julie LaGESSE); Nelda (b. 1880 Brb?, d. 1959 Kkk, m. 14 Apr 1896 Kkk to Louis HARPIN); Mary (b. 1882 Brb?, d. 1948, m. Médard BERTRAND); Arthur Louis (b. 18 Mar 1887 Brb?, d. 23 Jan 1972 Manteno, m. Louise m.n. u/k); Louise (b. 3 Jun 1890 Brb?, d. 23 Jun 1960, m1. Stephen GOING, m2. Samuel ADAMS); Homer (b. 10 Jun 1892 Brb?, d. Dec 1983 Kkk, m. Louise m.n. u/k); & Marie-Belzémire Herméline. I'll continue with the first generation to settle in Kankakee County tomorrow. Brenda Hébert

Hi, In my previous query with 3 puzzels, I had a thought on puzzel #3. Since I cannot find a Therese Reeves or a Jack Laramie, I was wondering if the following scenario could be possible. Could Sophie Reeves (Rives) B: 23 Feb. 1837, Varennes, Quebec, be, Sophie Therese Rives and they called her Therese because her mother's name was Sophie??? Sophie Rives was married to Jack Laramie. Therese was married to Narcisse Laramie. Could Narcisse's name have been Jean-Narcisse Laramie, and shortened to Jack??? Just a thought. Maybe I have 2 people instead of 4. Jerrian

In looking at some photos that I had taken at the Old Baptist Cemetery near St. Anne, I found one that might interest the St.Pierre people: Louis E. St.Pierre 76th Ill. Vol. Inf. Dec. 14, 1841- Feb. 17, 1904 __________ Melvina, his wife P.A. St.Pierre Oct. 28. 1875 - Nov. 12, 1913 (this is exactly the way it was written on the monument, so perhaps y'all might know if Melvina was the "other" name for P.A.) By the way, I looked in the Southeastern Section Cemetery Book and Louis is listed as Louise...not Louis E. Carol Smith

Hi List, I'm going to post this puzzle again.Elise REEVES, the wife of Dr. DeMARS, is the daughter of Narcisse REEVES and Sophie BRUNELLE. Elise's nickname was LIZA, to her nieces and nephews. I have pictures that say " To Auntie Liza" one of Francis POOLE and one of Nellie POOLE, that say, daughter of Priscille Laplante. And, in one of Elise's daughters autograph books, Priscille has written" from Auntie Priscille." I have not a clue who Priscille LaPlante is, or anything about a Mr. POOLE,does anyone else? Puzzel #2--One of Sophie BRUNELLE's brothers, Francois, had 3 little girls, the youngest being, Francis (Frank, for short). Francis married John Bert Sirois, Sr. In their daughter Stella's obit (she married Alfred Morande), it only listed one brother , John Bert Sirois, Jr. as the only survivor. I have a picture of an Artie Sirois, and wonder if he also could have been a brother to Stella.????? Puzzel #3--Nephews and nieces of Elise Reeves DeMars, Carrie, Eva, Ira, and Beatrice Agnes Laramie. Eva married a CASEY. I have pictures of a Narcisse Laramie (widower of Therese Reeves) sister to Elise. I cannot find a Therese Reeves. To make matters worse, I have Elise's other sister, Sophie Reeves, married to a Jack Laramie and supposedly the parents of the above named 4 children. Anyone know of the Laramie's? These are all from the St. Anne, Kankakee, Chicago area. Thanks, Jerrian Dates are in the 1880's for the most part, and earlier.

In a message dated 5/8/2000 9:10:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jdbs@uslink.net writes: << Elise REEVES, the wife of Dr. DeMARS, is the daughter of Narcisse REEVES and Sophie BRUNELLE. >> Hi, Jerriann! I am suspicious of the surname REEVES as not being of French derivation. Maybe that's why you are not finding it. REEVES is actually a form of an old Gaelic name, in Irish O'Rimheadha (O'Rive). As such, this name is just about extinct. The many REEVES families still to be found in Ireland are of English origin, some of whom have been in Ireland since the 17th century. In England, REEVES is an occupational name denoting some special kind of clerk (not sure what - will look this up). Of course, in Welsh the name REES or RHYS is common. What I'm really saying, I guess, is that Pere Narcisse may have taken on the REEVES spelling as an easy out, instead of trying to get English-speaking-listeners to say his French name correctly. We all know how often that happened! My name GUERTIN is often found as GERTEN, GORDON, and even YETTAW (don't ask me how they got that one!). I know of some MORINs who up and changed their name to MURRAY about the time you speak of. Did you try the variant pages of the PRDH? Maybe nothing - but it's worth a look - both with REEVES as so-called "standard name" and as a variant. Of course, that only takes you to 1799 - but you might find some clues. I love these puzzles! Ginny List Admin - ILSTANNE-L VCrawf@aol.com

In a message dated 5/8/2000 1:19:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, NiteOwl226@aol.com writes: << would appreciate it if anyone finds a connection between Lami and St Pierre, PLEASE let me know. There MUST be some reason why half of her children's records and the obit says St Pierre. >> Audrey - maybe St. Pierre is a "dit" name. St. Pierre could have originally been used because the family came from a town with that name - as in LAMI dit St. Pierre. Conversely, "Lamy" could be the dit part of the name, as in ST. PIERRE dit LAMI. Dunno what "Lamy" might mean, but it'[s worth following up. LAMI or LAMY could also have been "L'XXX" in its original state. You always come up with the most fun problems! Congratulations on finding that great obit - what a treasure. Ginny

Thank you Carol Anne and Carol Smith for responding to my post. I am hopeful that together we can get the ST. PETER's/ST. PIERRE's straight. I am excited to know others researching this line. Perhaps we can share pictures, etc. -- Jan Jan Zewari Columbia, MD

Re: ST. PIERRE family For a long time I have been trying to find a connection between the St. Pierre family and the Lamy, Lami, Lammie, Lamie family. Adeline Allie's obit follows: Kankakee Daily Journal (page 2) Saturday February 18, 1905 (Roll 19 Nov 8, 1904 to Aug 24, 1905) THE DEATH RECORD (s\b 2/13/1905) Mrs. J. B. Allie, widow of a former St. Anne hotel keeper, and one of the old settlers of the county, died at the home of her son Godfrey on North Harrison Ave, at 11 o'clock Friday. She leaves a family of 15 adult children largely scattered. Mr. Allie and Mrs. Frank Pinckard are the only members living in Kankakee. Mrs. Allie was born in Canada 75 years ago. * Her maiden name was Adeline St. Pierre, and she was related to the St. Pierre's in this county and vicinity The funeral will be held at St. Rose's church Monday morning and the interment will be in the Catholic Cemetery at Mound Grove. *NOTE - CONFLICT: St Rose Church & Cemetery death records show her maiden name as LAMI. Half of her children's marriage records say their mother's maiden name was Lamie...but the other half say St Pierre. I found her marriage to Jean-Baptiste Allie on January 28,1845. Married in Joliet IL (probably by a missionary priest from there). Her mothers name was listed as Adeline Marcotte, father C. Lamy and they lived in Bourbonnais Grove. I would appreciate it if anyone finds a connection between Lami and St Pierre, PLEASE let me know. There MUST be some reason why half of her children's records and the obit says St Pierre. Audrey

I believe there is an error in the list of Maxime St. Pierre and Eleanore Martin's children... 6) Maude - b 1867...bap 10 Nov 1867 m Albert Meier...22 Dec 1909... The entry of Maude St. Pierre born in 1867 is Maide St. Pierre in the Chiniquy Ledger. Maude St. Pierre that married Albert Meier was born 26 March 1892 the daughter of Mose and Oceana Soucie St. Pierre. She and Albert were married Dec. 22, 1909, according to the Ledger. - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- 4) Elzilda - b.... 21 Mar 1860 I have the obit for Exzelda St. Peter Cheffer, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Max Cheffer. She was born March 21, 1860 and died in 1942. She and Joseph Cheffer(he died in 1935) were married May 18, 1879. She had 11 children surviving at time of her death and two sons deceased. Also one brother Meddie St. Peter, of St. Anne. - - - - - -- - - - - - - - --- - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - I also have the obit of Meddie Mack St.Pierre who died in Jan. 1944. His birthdate was given as Sept. 8, 1867 in St.Anne. Married to Annie Regnier 47 yrs. Children listed: Mrs. Velma Hill, Merle,and Percy. He had been a rural mail carrier. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - -- - - - - - -- - - - -- - - 5) Napoleon - b 1 Dec 1867....d 1939.... m Lillie C???? b 1870....d 1951 I also have the obit for Mrs. Lillie St. Pierre b. August 24, 1869 and died July 21, 1951. Her maiden name was Corriveau. Married in 1887 to Napoleon St. Pierre. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - -- - -- 8) Emma - b 17 Aug 1882....bap 6 Sep 1882 I have an obit for Mrs. August Lainey...I believe it is 1947. She was the former Emma St. Pierre, born August 17, 1882. Her daughter was Mrs. Blanche Kershaw. A son, Elanrd preceeded her in death. Obit lists three brothers: Eddie of Lafayette,Ind., Arthur St. Pierre of Wolcott, Ind., and Adlore St. Pierre of Kankakee. Two sisters: Mrs. Mable Lainey of Kankakee and Mrs. Levi Martin of St. Anne. Hope this helps someone.... Carol Smith greenhorn@mexia.com

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from: Father Chiniquy's Ledger Maxime St. Pierre....died 12 Jun 1904 Children of Maxime ST. PIERRE and Eleonore MARTIN 1) Celina - b.... 1 Mar 1854 2) Edouard - b.... 6 Jun 1857 3) George - b.... 28 Nov 1858 4) Elzilda - b.... 21 Mar 1860 5) Loni - b.... 5 Dec 1864...bap 30 Sep 1866....Second Presbyterian Church 6) Maude - b 1867...bap 10 Nov 1867 m Albert Meier...22 Dec 1909... 7) Fred - b 1871....bap 3 Dec 1871 d 1928....buried Presbyterian Cemetery m Delia ???? - b 1874....d 1961 Stanislas St. Pierre - b 1826....d 1896...buried St Anne Protestant Cemetery Philomene................ ....d 25 Oct 1865 Stanislas St. Pierre....son of Jean-Baptiste St. Pierre and Amable Martin m Philomene Martin...23 Oct 1854....dau of Joseph Martin & Adelaide Byrse Children: 1) Adolphe...b 17 Nov 1855 2) Edouard...b 15 Sep 1859 3) Mede (Meddie) m Anna Regnier 4) Theodore - no record 5) Napoleon - b 1 Dec 1867....d 1939.... m Lillie C???? b 1870....d 1951 6) Stanislas - b 2 Feb 1870 7) Samuel - b 6 Aug 1871 8) Emma - b 17 Aug 1882....bap 6 Sep 1882 9) Annie Malvina - b 7 Aug 1881 I seem to show 2 different records with the name Philomene. One died 23 Oct 1854 and the other died in 1927 and is buried with Stanislas. Two of the records show the name of Philomene LAINE. It is possible that Stanislas married two women with the name Philomene. Philomene MARTIN and Philomene LAINE I do have St Pierre in my lines but not in St. Anne. I have Barbe St Pierre who married Charles PELLETIER in 1711. The SAGA of St. Anne has alot about the St. Pierre surname and if I don't get back to work on it, you will never be able to read it. Both LeeAnn and I are involved in other stuff, but we are both trying to get the SAGA online as fast as we can so everyone can enjoy it. It is going to take awhile, but it will be so worth while I'm afraid that this is all that I could find on the names you gave me. There were alot of St Pierres in St. Anne. I hope this helps start you on the right track. Bye for now, Carol Anne